Is America really Turkey's FRIEND, or ENEMY?

[Kaniska]

1985-1995 - Taliban was an ally of US
2001-2017 - US attack every where in the search of Taliban
2017 - Taliban are moderately conservative but IS is an enemey...


I hope you will figure out where do you stand in the friend or enemy’s list of US.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

This. The US is only "friends" with white English speaking countries. The rest of the world is just interests to them.

They are not alone in this though. Many countries with influence act in this way.

And slavish to Israel.

 

[himate]

This is an unfair vote. Why is there not the option of choosing neither?

 

[-SINAN-]

You ain't impressing anyone by saying some dumb shit like "Oh, it's complicated", etc. If it's too hard to pick between two clear, concise, binary choices, then maybe you shouldn't bother. No one likes a nitpicking, indecisive flik-flak. So please just put your foot down and vote.

You say "dumb-shit"??? It's you that see the world in white and black.

 

[Pax Ottomana]

Mommy's spoiled and indecisive millennial virgin boys who can't make a simple choice wheyjer the US is a friend or foe, please stay the fvck away. No one's putting a gun to your head to vote for something you don't want to. But let me put this in a way you can understand. In the real life, you have to make binary choices. You either go out or stay home, kiss a girl or not kiss a girl, graduate university or not graduate university, buy a car or not buy a car, invest your money or not invest your money, survive or die. The world cannot paint everything in tones of gray to match your childish sensibilities.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

You should add a third option,neither nor .

Its better to be americas enemy than a friend.

That said, US’s only “friend” is israel or her own interests.

 

[313ghazi]

Mommy's spoiled and indecisive millennial virgin boys who can't make a simple choice wheyjer the US is a friend or foe, please stay the fvck away. No one's putting a gun to your head to vote for something you don't want to. But let me put this in a way you can understand. In the real life, you have to make binary choices. You either go out or stay home, kiss a girl or not kiss a girl, graduate university or not graduate university, buy a car or not buy a car, invest your money or not invest your money, survive or die. The world cannot paint everything in tones of gray to match your childish sensibilities.

I don't have a dog in this fight but a lot of those options you mentioned aren't binary.

For example you could invest some of your money.

 

[Pax Ottomana]

I don't have a dog in this fight but a lot of those options you mentioned aren't binary.

For example you could invest some of your money.

Then you'd have invested some of your money, instead of not investing some of your money. Get it? You would've successfully made a binary choice. You wouldn't have been stuck in a Heisenberg-Schrodinger superposition of possible probabilities like the rest of these spineless wishy-washy punks.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Is USA a friend or enemy of Turkey? You decide.

Here's my opinion. This is just a partial list but you still get the picture:

• 1960 coup d'etat in Turkey by USA-backed generals where they toppled the government elected by the Turkish public and installed a military regime. Many Turks were tortured and killed.
• 1962 muhtıra where USA-backed Kur. Albay Talat Aydemir organized a resistance to handing Turkey's control over to an elected civilian government.
• 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis where USA had nuclear Jupiter missiles in Turkey completely disregarded Turkey's security and national interests for the benefit of its own. All US negotiations with the Soviets were done without consultations with Turkey. This risked a nuclear attack on Turkey by the Soviet Union.
  
• 1964 Johnson Letter where the USA insulted, ridiculed and threatened Turkey with very serious repercussions.
• 1969 coupe d'etat attempt by USA-backed general Sunay who replaced publicly-elected civilian Demirel.
  
• 1971 muhtıra where USA-backed generals forced Turkey's elected civilian government to resign.
• 1974 hashish crisis where USA threatened Turkey to stop its narcotic agriculture which resulted in Turkey having to import almost all its medicines from USA and Europe.
  
• 1974 embargo due to Cyprus Peace Operation which had saved thousands Turkish-Cypriot lives from the Greek junta. USA had supported and protected the Greeks at the expense of the Turks.
• 1980 coup d'etat in Turkey by USA-backed generals where they toppled the government elected by the Turkish public and installed a military regime. Many Turks were tortured and killed.
  
• 1992 TCG Muavenet Incident where US purposefully fired TWO Sea Sparrow missiles on our ship and killed many Turkish sailors during a "NATO exercise".
• 1997 muhtıra (28 Subat) where USA-backed generals forced Turkey's elected civilian government to resign.
  
• 2003 Çuval Olayı where American soldiers arrested Turkish soldiers in Northern Iraq and ridiculed them by putting dirty sacks on their heads, which was taken as yet another insult to the Turkish nation.
  
• 2007 muhtıra (27 Nisan e-muhtıra) by USA-backed generals (Yasar Buyukanit et al.) who again threatened to topple a democratically elected civilian government.
  
• 2016 coup d'etat attempt (15 Temmuz) by USA-backed GULENIST generals who once again tried to topple a democratically elected civilian government and install a pro-USA military junta controlled by FETO from Pennsylvania, USA. Hundreds of Turks died and Turkish economy suffered immensely as a result.
• 8 Ekim 2017 visa crisis where USA refused to issue new visas for Turkish citizens just because Turkey arrested a Turk who was suspected of spying for the USA, very much proving Turkey's point.
  
• 2018 F-35 contract breach where the US refused to deliver 4 x F-35s already bought and paid for by Turkey.
• Andrew Brunson espionage incident
  
• US refusal to sell Turkey Patriot missile defense systems
• US refusal to sell Turkey UAV/UCAVs
• US refusal to sell Turkey helicopter engines for T-129s to be delivered to Pakistan
  
• 1991-present American support of PKK/YPG terrorist organization that has killed 40,000 Turks and wounded tens of thousands more. USA continues to support, finance, train and arm PKK/YPG militants against Turkey.
• USA oil/has companies have signed deals with Greek and Greek Cyptiot governments and do drilling activities that violate Turkey's and Turkish Cyprus' EEZ rights.
  
• USA arrested Halkbank official Hakan Atilla due to "violating Iran sanctions"
• USA has been refusing to extradite Fethullah Gulen and othar FETO terrorists despite Turkey's having provided proof of their involvement in 15 Temmuz, violating bilateral extradition treaties and Interpol protocols.
• USA has recognized the so-called "Armenian Genocide"
• USA routinely manipulates TRY-USD exchange rates at strategically calculated intervals to undermine, slow down and sabotage Turkish economic growth.
• And so on and so forth....

Hrmmm. Should I think America is our FRIEND or ENEMY?

Hard to say.

Turkey has ambitions in Central Asia and thats where their interests converge with US and NATO.

 

[what]

1985-1995 - Taliban was an ally of US
2001-2017 - US attack every where in the search of Taliban
2017 - Taliban are moderately conservative but IS is an enemey...


I hope you will figure out where do you stand in the friend or enemy’s list of US.

Not on topic and not saying I agree, but:

2020 - US gives tactical support to Taliban against ISIS

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

1985-1995 - Taliban was an ally of US

Wow genious.. you just compared faction of a society to a country..
BTW There were no tali till 94.

 

[American Pakistani]

US work for its interests. It is not a good idea to have united states on your bad side. Goes for Turkeye as well as pakistan .

 

[T-123456]

Its better to be americas enemy than a friend.

That said, US’s only “friend” is israel or her own interests.

For such a childish thread you get a childish answer.
I asked for a third option,he refused.
Lets be clear,without the US we would not be where we are now,with the positives and the negatives of this relationship.

 

[T-123456]

Mommy's spoiled and indecisive millennial virgin boys who can't make a simple choice wheyjer the US is a friend or foe, please stay the fvck away. No one's putting a gun to your head to vote for something you don't want to. But let me put this in a way you can understand. In the real life, you have to make binary choices. You either go out or stay home, kiss a girl or not kiss a girl, graduate university or not graduate university, buy a car or not buy a car, invest your money or not invest your money, survive or die. The world cannot paint everything in tones of gray to match your childish sensibilities.

Its not only that you cant distinguish the difference between subjects where the answers can be one or the other and or neither,you also fail to understand the complexity of the issue with the result of you insulting people who dont want to answer such a dumb question with one or the other which makes me doubt your maturity.
Geo-politics doesnt work that way,

It is all about interests.
The US and Türkiye cannot be enemies because of interests,Russia and Türkiye can never be true friends,again because of interests,this can be said about many countries,like Iran,Greece,Iraq,Egypt and even Syria.
So,grumpy old man,relax and admit that there should have been a third option.
Btw,since i voted friend,feel free to call me CIA agent or JEW but no Fetocu please.

 

[ÇölKaplanı]

Its not only that you cant distinguish the difference between subjects where the answers can be one or the other and or neither,you also fail to understand the complexity of the issue with the result of you insulting people who dont want to answer such a dumb question with one or the other which makes me doubt your maturity.
Geo-politics doesnt work that way,

It is all about interests.
The US and Türkiye cannot be enemies because of interests,Russia and Türkiye can never be true friends,again because of interests,this can be said about many countries,like Iran,Greece,Iraq,Egypt and even Syria.
So,grumpy old man,relax and admit that there should have been a third option.
Btw,since i voted friend,feel free to call me CIA agent or JEW but no Fetocu please.

I think you should prepare yourself for an insulting, toxic, childish answer from him. Thank you for sacrificing yourself for our mental health and the common good. It was nice knowing you