Is a Secular Pakistan the solution?

[Fracker]

So you mean that religion isn't mixed with politics in Pakistan?? Blasphemy laws don't get misused?? and other stuff?


Malaysia is a secular country in nature, with an official religion Islam, its kind of an exception infact. But religion doesn't mix with politics there, in Pakistan religion gets mixed with Politics.

Misused is weakness of Law implementation, not the Law itself. If Law is implemented properly, then no body can go and take Law in his own hands, since he know "Mumtaz Qadri type" people will be hanged. And "Mumtaz Qadri type" will also know if i complaint to Law then they can take it seriously. So I don't need to do same thing as my own. And even others will know if I do something like that country will held me accountable for this wrongness (as per country law).

What ever system is there has to be implemented, then later on things comes whether is it wrong or right. Right now it's not implemented at all how can you even complaint about it?

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

If Pakistan become secular then it automatically become India, Islamism differentiate it with India.

Agreed.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Pakistan should never try to be secular. It may fall into anarchy and break into pieces. It's bad for India. Most Pakistanis don't want secularism either.

 

[M.SAAD]

Are you suggesting that there is better way of life than islam teaches us..
or are you telling us that extremist hijacked idea of Pakistan?
tell me what europe achieved being secular or state seprate from church if you like that or want it.. i am extremly sorry to say that you want that system we dont where you let your daughter sister mom can have relationship with anyone they want for short period or longer period.. where people obey law than humanity.. where you are allowed have alchol, gay marriages, nude beaches thats not our way of life.. if this secularism.
your personal choice maybe accepted but dont come here and tell us that you want all of us to follow that path.

phir hum rokain kay dil zuban or hath say burai ko..

So you think Pakistan is right as it is? Where people kill each other in name of religion?? Where religion is such a sensitive issues that people kill each other in the name of religion??? Where there are extremist apologists, and extremists have a say in this country??



I don't want Pakistan to become like West bro, I just want a secular Pakistan where state should be free for religious involvment, a peaceful prosperous, Tolerant Pakistan like some other Muslim Majority secular countries like Malaysia,Turky etc.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Agreed.

You believe secularism is a magic wand that can fix things quickly.
Thing about it. Under secular laws Hindus, Ahmedis etc WILL have the right to propagate their faith. Indians having roots in Sindh for example will be able to buy/lease land. They may also build new temples. Legally you will also have to tolerate evangelical groups from all religions. The Muslim percentage will fall. Alcohol will have to made available to all. I can go on. We can and do live with this. But can you? The choice is yours.

 

[Zibago]

Where minorities have long since been completely marginalized.

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Indians having roots in Sindh for example will be able to buy/lease land.

Pehlay meray nana ka Jammu wala ghar wapis karo

 

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Anglos?

 

[Zibago]

They may also build new temples.

New churches are allowed but there is no need for new temples because there are so many temples that are vacant across Pakistan particularly in Punjab,Azad Kashmir and KPK
Megachurch opens its doors in Karachi - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

Anglos?

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[SarthakGanguly]

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Kamran Michael
Minister for ports and shipping

Deepak Parwani

Isphanyar Bhandara
owner Murree Brewery

Bryam D Avari
owner of Avari hotels

Zoe and Rachel Viccaji
coke studio chorus girls

Pehlay meray nana ka Jammu wala ghar wapis karo

You can come back. No strings attached. We will help you get citizenship. As an Indian you will have all rights restored.

 

[Zibago]

Anglos?

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Mama christian papa Parsi

Pretty and all (nice skin), but am a bit underwhelmed.

 

[Zibago]

You can come back. No strings attached. We will help you get citizenship. As an Indian you will have all rights restored.

Mauf karien bhai but that muslim majority village is now completely hindu

 

[SarthakGanguly]

New churches are allowed but there is no need for new temples because there are so many temples that are vacant across Pakistan particularly in Punjab,Azad Kashmir and KPK
Megachurch opens its doors in Karachi - Pakistan - DAWN.COM


Mama christian papa Parsi

See. That is the thing. You may think temples are enough. A Hindu may not think so. He may want one next to his house. Imagine waking up in the morning with temple bells, and sweet incense and pujaris with tikas in your neighborhood. We are used to living hearing the azan for example. But will you be okay with something like above?

Mauf karien bhai but that muslim majority village is now completely hindu

So? Your forefather was one too. They are human, you will be welcomed.

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

So you think Pakistan is right as it is? Where people kill each other in name of religion?? Where religion is such a sensitive issues that people kill each other in the name of religion??? Where there are extremist apologists, and extremists have a say in this country??



I don't want Pakistan to become like West bro, I just want a secular Pakistan where state should be free for religious involvment, a peaceful prosperous, Tolerant Pakistan like some other Muslim Majority secular countries like Malaysia,Turky etc.

We understand but tell me one country which is heaven on earth. secularism can and will bring cioas to Pakistan... there is more violence in us than in Pak.. alone in detriot 5 officer killed in each week in 2013. pregnancy average rate in europe is 13 year in europe and 12 in us.. mirjuana drug is almost allowed in north american and whole europe. in germany few months ago for few months there were rally against islam on every friday..but they cant get together against israel for killing innocent palestenian kids.. no one condemn nathan yahoo pm of isreal's wife said dont kill elders kill their kids who are snakes...
no one is helping Pakistan to negotiate peace between iran and SA,, matter fact countries looking opportunities to sell their products (amo) to them.
there are so many problems in the world Pakistan is not alone.. but we sud stick to the plan Allah made for us.. its an indivisual effort you change your self. slowly society will change insha'Allah..
this is effortless excersise to debate weather Pak is secular or not .. Quaid e Azam made it for Islam we cud have live in secular india.. why so much hassel?

 

[Zibago]

So? Your forefather was one too. They are human, you will be welcomed.

My pardada(great grandfather) was a pundit near Srinagar who converted to Islam and migrated with his peer to Mirpur leaving his family