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Is a Secular Pakistan the solution?

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Its a right of the people to use which law they want to implement for themselves.. then next phase is to implement.



Yes, and most people don't want to live Under Shariah Laws. Most people want a democratic secular peaceful Pakistan, so did Jinnah.
 
Same old bullsh!t.

Pakistan is a Muslim country and must remain as such. Our models should be Indonesia/Malaysia and so on.

"Secular" Pakistan will be same as today's Pakistan. Our problem isn't religion, but corruption, nepotism, injustice, and so on.

Lets on get into this useless debate where a "secular" Pakistan will overnight become heaven. It is just a myth to divert our attention from REAL issues.
 
Same old bullsh!t.

Pakistan is a Muslim country and must remain as such. Our models should be Indonesia/Malaysia and so on.

"Secular" Pakistan will be same as today's Pakistan. Our problem isn't religion, but corruption, nepotism, injustice, and so on.

Lets on get into this useless debate where a "secular" Pakistan will overnight become heaven. It is just a myth to divert our attention from REAL issues.




Indonesia and Malaysia both chose Secular paths, and are secular Republic States :)

Pakistan is a Islamic Republic. Even Turkey the most powerful Muslim Majority Country is Secular and doesn't have a state religion.


When you try and mix Religion with Politics thats where things go wrong, I hope people understand this. State should be separate from Religion.
 
Yes it is Already hijacked from 1956. Enough religion B.S and in the name of to protect Ummah B.S. We should give priority to country instead of promoting religion. Be neutral, and do anything which is in the interest of our country. Promote only peace, invest in R & D and only economy.

Pakistan is Made by the name of Deen Islam.. thats our constitute and base was to get seprate land.. and we did..
so nothing is hacked or hijacked idea remains just some waderas, and stupid politicians

Indonesia and Malaysia both chose Secular paths, and are secular Republic States :)

Pakistan is a Islamic Republic. Even Turkey the most powerful Muslim Majority Country is Secular and doesn't have a state religion.


When you try and mix Religion with Politics thats where things go wrong, I hope people understand this. State should be separate from Religion.
Than why dont you see this way that Allah gave us opportunity to implement deen.. look how much problems we facing and hwo many enemies we have still we surviving and slowly becoming modren state.. dont you think we getting special treat from Allah.
if you ever heard it saying common in Pakistan.. Allah kay saharay chal raha hai yah.
We sud obey to Allah and implement the law he choses for us.
 
Indonesia and Malaysia both chose Secular paths, and are secular Republic States :)

Pakistan is a Islamic Republic. Even Turkey the most powerful Muslim Majority Country is Secular and doesn't have a state religion.


When you try and mix Religion with Politics thats where things go wrong, I hope people understand this. State should be separate from Religion.

Malaysia is a country with Islam as official religion. Check again.

Please, stop giving me cliche' lines like "Separation of church and state" blah blah...Pakistan's problem isn't that it is an Islamic country. Pakistan's problem lies in its corruption, nepotism, broken justice system, feudalism and so on.

Fix these issues and you fix Pakistan. Religion doesn't play much part in Pak's troubles.

People like you should try to understand the situation of Pakistan rather than watching and reading bunch of works from West, getting influenced, and spouting semi-intellectual gibberish that holds no real value pertaining to the actual situation in Pakistan.
 
Malaysia is a country with Islam as official religion. Check again.

Please, stop giving me cliche' lines like "Separation of church and state" blah blah...Pakistan's problem isn't that it is an Islamic country. Pakistan's problem lies in its corruption, nepotism, broken justice system, feudalism and so on.

Fix these issues and you fix Pakistan. Religion doesn't play much part in Pak's troubles.

People like you should try to understand the situation of Pakistan rather than watching and reading bunch of works from West, getting influenced, and spouting semi-intellectual gibberish that holds no real value pertaining to the actual situation in Pakistan.
Totally agree!
 
Indonesia and Malaysia both chose Secular paths, and are secular Republic States :)

Pakistan is a Islamic Republic. Even Turkey the most powerful Muslim Majority Country is Secular and doesn't have a state religion.


When you try and mix Religion with Politics thats where things go wrong, I hope people understand this. State should be separate from Religion.

We are not secular, just in between. We have ministry that works for Muslim for instant. This ministry is there to serve Muslim and its related matters (haj, marriage, ect). Religious matter is still in some way in the hand of government like marriage. I think it is the best version. And even for Aceh province we apply Shariah.

1945 CONSTITUTION OF THE REPUBLIC OF INDONESIA

PREAMBLE

Whereas independence is a genuine right of all nations and any form of alien occupation should thus be erased from the earth as not in conformity with humanity and justice,

Whereas the struggle of the Indonesian independence movement has reached the blissful point of leading the Indonesian people safely and well before the monumental gate of an independent Indonesian State which shall be free, united, sovereign, just and prosperous,

By the grace of ALLAH Almighty and urged by the lofty aspiration to exist as a free nation,

Now therefore, the people of Indonesia declare herewith their independence,

In Indonesian language:

UNDANG-UNDANG DASAR NEGARA REPUBLIK INDONESIA TAHUN 1945

PEMBUKAAN

Bahwa sesungguhnya Kemerdekaan itu ialah hak segala bangsa dan oleh sebab itu, maka penjajahan di atas dunia harus dihapuskan, karena tidak sesuai dengan peri-kemanusiaan dan peri-keadilan.

Dan perjuangan pergerakan Kemerdekaan Indonesia telah sampailah kepada saat yang berbahagia dengan selamat sentausa mengantarkan rakyat Indonesia ke depan pintu gerbang kemerdekaan Negara Indonesia yang merdeka, bersatu, berdaulat, adil dan makmur.

Atas berkat rahmat Allah Yang Maha Kuasa dan dengan didorongkan oleh keinginan luhur, supaya berkehidupan kebangsaan yang bebas, maka rakyat Indonesia menyatakan dengan ini kemerdekaannya.

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Pancasila (politics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pancasila (pronounced [pantʃaˈsila]) is the official philosophical foundation of the Indonesian state.[1] Pancasila consists of two Old Javanese words (originally from Sanskrit), "pañca" meaning five, and "sīla" meaning principles. It comprises five principles held to be inseparable and interrelated:

  1. Belief in the one and only God, (in Indonesian, Ketuhanan Yang Maha Esa).
  2. Just and civilized humanity, (in Indonesian, Kemanusiaan Yang Adil dan Beradab).
  3. The unity of Indonesia, (in Indonesian, Persatuan Indonesia).
  4. Democracy guided by the inner wisdom in the unanimity arising out of deliberations amongst representatives (in Indonesian,Kerakyatan Yang Dipimpin oleh Hikmat Kebijaksanaan, Dalam Permusyawaratan dan Perwakilan)
  5. Social justice for all of the people of Indonesia (in Indonesian, Keadilan Sosial bagi seluruh RakyatIndonesia
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Commitment to Islam | Pew Research Center's Religion & Public Life Project
 
Malaysia is a country with Islam as official religion. Check again.

Please, stop giving me cliche' lines like "Separation of church and state" blah blah...Pakistan's problem isn't that it is an Islamic country. Pakistan's problem lies in its corruption, nepotism, broken justice system, feudalism and so on.

Fix these issues and you fix Pakistan. Religion doesn't play much part in Pak's troubles.

People like you should try to understand the situation of Pakistan rather than watching and reading bunch of works from West, getting influenced, and spouting semi-intellectual gibberish that holds no real value pertaining to the actual situation in Pakistan.




So you mean that religion isn't mixed with politics in Pakistan?? :o: Blasphemy laws don't get misused?? and other stuff?


Malaysia is a secular country in nature, with an official religion Islam, its kind of an exception infact. But religion doesn't mix with politics there, in Pakistan religion gets mixed with Politics.
 
Most of Pakistan is Muslim anyways. I believe it makes sense for Pakistan to be an Islamic country. To remain an Islamic country.

I realize the significance of the white band your flag started off with. Isn't very relevant 70 years on though.

@Indos

Why does India not find a place in the above graphic? We have nearly as many muslims as either you or Pakistan.
 
So you mean that religion isn't mixed with politics in Pakistan?? :o: Blasphemy laws don't get misused?? and other stuff?


Malaysia is a secular country in nature, with an official religion Islam, its kind of an exception infact. But religion doesn't mix with politics there, in Pakistan religion gets mixed with Politics.

And misuse of blasphemy laws (a total insignificant issue) lies at the heart of Pakistan's problem and hence secular Pakistan will be prosperous because blasphemy laws won't be there, correct? :rolleyes:

See, as expected, you have no clue about anything. You are just blabbering cliche' dialogues without any practical idea about life in Pakistan.

What school did you go to?
 
Most of Pakistan is Muslim anyways. I believe it makes sense for Pakistan to be an Islamic country. To remain an Islamic country.

I realize the significance of the white band your flag started off with. Isn't very relevant 70 years on though.

@Indos

Why does India not find a place in the above graphic? We have nearly as many muslims as either you or Pakistan.

Well, I dont know mate, it was conducted by US research center. Pew research Center. There is no Iran also. But few years back Iran was included. 40 percent something Iranian do pray 5 times daily, even much less than Indonesian which is not even an Islamic republic.

I believe Madinah Chapter during prophet Muhammad time is quite close with our Pancasila (ideology)
 
Won't make a difference. India is also secular and you have Hindu extremists there. Solution is to have projects aimed promoting tolerance
 
To all Pakistanis specialized in Islamic Knowledge and the science as well then see the result it useless to discuses that Pakistan was made on name of secularism specially now after 67 years

the real practice of Islam is much away from our country we are all so called Muslims we are aware of our shaheeds who are scarifying their lives in the name of country and name of Islam but we forget those 4 million shaheeds who get shaheed at the time of creation of this country
 

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