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First of all when you ask for water in a restaurant, you dont get a cup of ice. You get the liquid form....hence why we have a seperate word called ice. Had I said to Hack Hook prove to me "ice is dry" then you may have had a point. That said, a solid is solid and dry is dry. They are different words that mean different things. If you run your fingers on some ice your fingers will be wet!Dry simply means solid state, it means the molecules are densely organized. Water becomes dry below 0 degrees Celsius in our atomspheric pressure.
It'll never feel dry because our body heat melts it.
It's feels wet because of your body heat melting the outer layer as soon as you touch it
Tokhm darvordee Israeliye omad nejatet dad? I look at sky all the time and it is NEVER purple....that means you're probably high most times and are hallucinating.you guys and never looking at the sky , remind me of the movie "Girl with a Pearl Earring" when Vermeer ask Griet , what color is the sky and first she fail first time and he then tell her look again and this time she tell the correct color which is mixture of a lot more colors and then he say to here now you understand.
my advice look again
Youre like a fish out of water now, good to see you finally gave up trying to prove the impossible. You made enough of a fool of yourself.well actually cold is lack of hot not hot is cold , i'm not like you to grasp at straws
about fish is type of dragon , is what you mean by dragon , is it a mythical beast or you mean the fossils people saw of prehistoric creatures (Dinosaurs) and they taught they are dragons . if its the first one unlike you guys i like good literature but i don't fantasize and dream about it its the second one , then you get it wrong again actually dragons are offspring of the fishes
and about oxygen , pure oxygen is actually harmful for your body in long term
Is It Harmful to Breathe 100 Percent Oxygen?
The air we breathe contains 21 percent oxygen. Would we be better off breathing 100 percent oxygen?science.howstuffworks.com
i begin to think i must charge you for the things I'm teaching you
sort of , but if you take ice in your hand it still feel wet , that is a lot drier
the sky can feel blue even from earth and its in detail explained in my previous post , its all on how our eyes detect colors and how light reflection and refraction can play on it
you say they have the capacity of long range detection , then according the rule of discussion , prove it
don't try to weasel your way out of it , the burden is on your shoulder
the point is that is the only data available
you see , the correct one is what i post in first post
"in 2006 370 thank deployed from them 52 hit by atgm , RPG and IEDs . 21 of those 52 recieved enough damage to be pulled out of battle 5 deemed repairable (2 Merkavas MkII, 1 Merkava MkIII, 2 Merkavas MkIV).
One of the destroyed MkII and one of the destroyed MkIV were hit by IEDs, the rest were lost due to ATGM fire. by the way during the war 18 Merkava MK4 was hit by ATGM and only one destroyed with no death to the troop inside , the other destroyed MK-4 was hit by an IED and in that case there was loss of troop"
51 tank hit , 18 of them mk-4 two of those mk-4 destroyed all tha hit to the front of the mk-4 never penetrated the armor an made any meaningful damage.
those 52 hit 21 were sent back for repair . now its up to you if you want to say 18 mk-4 sent back and 3 of other tanks the reality is something else
show us alternate data that don't claim all the tanks deployed in 2006 were MK-4, considering MK-4 production started in 2004
you can't okay show me any radar on the system we received
literally hundreds of atgm there are videos of then on ******** that show hezbollah fighter firing 5-6 missile toward tanks from different angle
so you can't show anything , and expect people believe your claims on faith ?
again post your different numbers, preferably not from a source that claim Israel had 400 merkava-mk4 at the time
so you claim israel had the ability to produce more than 200 mk-4 per year at the first year of production
If you only bothered to read jeursalem post you had understood that the Palestinian chronicle was not faithful to what it attributed to Jeursalem Post. its Jeursalem post article that tank to internet i could access easily
IDF report card
An in-depth look at the pluses and minuses of Israel's military operations.www.jpost.com
honestly thousands of atgm fired only 20 managed to penetrate tanks and only 30 killed . that is the source you used first , i didn't use it
oh that not working example that never deployed
if you say Bavar-373 is based on that VHF radar
not working nebo-svu ,
till today there is no nebu radar deployed in iran
Iran didn't Syrian forces advised by Iranian advisors received them
except that they were used in Syria by Syrian
no paying milliiards of dollar of needed money for a system but not using them show there is some problem there
not no benefit to defence industry and research as at the time we could produce better but benefit to defence
as we still use s-75 in form of hq-2 we recieved from china. so why not use the better system we paid for
probably again secret contract that i'm not allowed to knew about them
okay instead of 4milliard 3 milliard ,
all the budget to increase iran force capability in all branches of army , irgc, and basij is 4 milliard how much of it assigned to air force , i could not find can you tell me
the regular air force budget for maintaining current capability and paying wages and ... are separate , those 4 milliard euro is the part that you say most be mobilized independently and is for all of Iran armed force branches and belong to 1401 that it increase , before that it was even less
Thx
Croatia Got only part of S300, and that was old version 35+ yrs ago, they parade only part of TELs and some canisters, and even those were towed by old Man trucks... That was 1994 or 1995,dont remeber. While Iran paraded and showed new Nebo SVU, now it May happen that aditional Gama was bought with S300 but Iran Got some even before, I mean they overhuled some few yrs ago domesticly. When it comes to Croatia S300 it is BS, local news wrote a lot about after that parade, and latter Israel and other delegatin visited Croatia to inspect what they had, It turns out they never Got whole operational system.
Nope, Iran Gamma D Long before, and Croatia S300 is BS, you post a lot of BS lately, I dont Know where you Got all this INFO..
Not really, it's accuracy and being precise. Something I value.That's just semantics honestly kinda stupid to argue about
Ice is water through and through, linguistics aside. So dry water is considered ice.
There is no scientific term called dry water to describe ice...nor does any sane scientist describe any state of water as dry. Dryness is an absense of moisture, you cretin! Moisture comes from water. You literally just made all that up because you're a pseudo-scientist with small dick energy.No, you just don't understand chemistry, there's no such thing as ice molecules, they're called water molecules, regardless if the state is solid or liquid. Solid water = ice = dry water.
Dry means absense of liquid lol. If I splash you with pure alcohol are you dry just because it doesn't contain water?There is no scientific term called dry water to describe ice...nor does any sane scientist describe any state of water as dry. Dryness is an absense of moisture, you cretin! Moisture comes from water. You literally just made all that up because you're a pseudo-scientist with small dick energy.
Dry means an absense of moisture. Here, look it up in this thing we humans call a dictionary:Dry means absense of liquid lol. If I splash you with pure alcohol are you dry just because it doesn't contain water?
There's also this apparently
Dry water - Wikipedia
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Dry means an absense of moisture. Here, look it up in this thing we humans call a dictionary:
Dictionary.com | Meanings & Definitions of English Words
The world's leading online dictionary: English definitions, synonyms, word origins, example sentences, word games, and more. A trusted authority for 25+ years!www.dictionary.com
Pure alcohol would evaporate before it touches me and would need special containers at really low temperature. 95% alcohol would be the highest purity a noob like you could make, which would get me wet for a few minutes because it has 5% WATER.
Ask yourself, is it the water that is dry or is it the silica that's dry? Obviously it's the silica that's dry, not the water itself because it is still in liquid form. You had a stronger argument with the ice spiel, tbh. Back to google you go lol
Done. Yeah sorry, I've already proven that water can't be dry a few posts back. This is just trolling at this point. On another note, this is indicative of the dire state of our airforce whereby there is no news to speak about and often times this thread turns toxic with over repeated arguments about what route should be taken and trolls coming to release their oghde. I also find it odd that this zio weasel came here the second hack hook was getting it from all angles. Maybe coincidence. Allahualim.Brother, just report this continuous nitpicking about the physical characteristics of water, it's needlessly hijacking the thread.
the only evidence i saw is kowsar , do you have evidence on something like noor?False again. There are credible sources attesting to the induction of the missiles by Hezbollah. It stands to reason Hezbollah wouldn't take delivery of them if they weren't accompanied by the corresponding radar, or if there weren't realistic plans to add such a capability later on.
You then came along claiming the missiles are deprived of any such radars to this date. Burden of proof rests therefore on you, because your allegation defies logic: prove us they don't possess the radar. And now you're projecting, since it's you trying to dodge it here, not me.
which basic is the same data , but mistakenly stated all the tanks were merkava-4 , but in all it gave the same amount just 1-2 more or lessThe point is the figures are profoundly unreliable. Much like your conclusion based on them.
And no, it isn't the only data available, as you actually found out after searching online.
then provide your data , as the data you showed now is basically from the same source but with mistakes . right now you are saying i don't have any data and can\t provide any number , but i also don't accept your data.It's the "correct" set of numbers based on what? By making unsubstantiated blanket statements like these, you're simply exposing your favorable bias towards zionist military equipment, while trying to argue that anything Russian made is either defective or useless, which quite frankly is a hilarious thing to believe. As said, this posture is typical of the gutter press in NATO countries which peddle their regimes' propaganda, it doesn't fit into a serious discussion.
the contradiction come from the fact your source changed the data Zionist official provided if you go and look at the place that your source say it get its data , you see what happens here . i looked at the original article , did you do so ?The reality is you failed to produce anything of value when it comes to corroborating figures which zionist officials themselves had contradicted earlier on. We both know what it implies as the revised series of data you're illogically clinging to. This is no more no less than your political bias speaking.
yes the data that your source claimed is from Jerusalem post but at Jerusalem post they are different and your source modified themI provided zionist-published figures about crew deaths and MBT destructions provoked by the Kornet ATGM. That's onto itself is more than enough to debunk the sugar-coated figures you seem to be buying into.
5 tank destroyed , 21 tank penetrated and 3 soldier died after hundreds of ATGM fired , really extra ordinary performanceI provided zionist-published figures about crew deaths and MBT destructions provoked by the Kornet ATGM. That's onto itself is more than enough to debunk the sugar-coated figures you seem to be buying into.
as i said there are video on Liv-e-Le-ak that show 5-6 atgm fired at a Tank and they are published by lebanese side not israeli oneHighly selective scenes. No complete visual evidence for the overall picture, so it's hardly possible to tergiversate on this.
370 tank participated , 52 tank hit and 21 penetrated . 18 of the tanks that were hit was merkava-4 , to penetrated , one of them by IED and the other by ATGM."A few dozen" in my book may translate into a number between 30 and 50, more or less. 20 MBT's penetrated out of 30-50 hit ones, represents a respectable score. Also penetration is not a sine qua non condition for disabling. 30 killed crewmen for that same number of successful hits equally qualifies as a military success.
as i said hundreds because i saw the videos of 4-5 even more atgm being fired toward the tanksAs for the "thousands of anti-tank missiles" part, I expected you would admit what you're surely well aware of, namely that this is a totally unrealistic amount.
that system is a vhf radar nor bavar , neither 13th of khordad or 3rd of Khordad come with VHF radarExamined, inspected and studied in the slightest detail, from which valuable knowledge was gleaned, a procedure Iran is known to submit newly acquired military equipment to, and one which has given an undeniable boost to the Iranian defence industries, similar to the path trod by China. There's no shame in admitting to it, and it doesn't take away from the achievements Iranian engineers.
never get deployed , such radar till we built or substantialy different fath radar developedUnsubstantiated assertion.
and you knew they are deployed or think they are deployed ? or perhaps wish they to be deployed. when we have more powerful fath why build nebu-svu , for god sake its not the advanced nebu-m we are talking about its good old nebu-svuJust because you never saw one, doesn't mean there are none. Plenty of equipment was and is deployed without Iran making it public for a variety of reasons.
Moreover even if it wasn't, that wouldn't imply Iran did not draw benefit from it. Iranian decision makers know what they're doing, hence why they purchased the Nebo. Do away with this assumption that they're simpletons who'd gain in banking on your or any other forum user's subjective opinion. The success of Iran's military development isn't up for discussion.
yes the general in syria gave the iranian supported force in syria 100 canon shell because he was impressed by iranian general . the shell is foundamentally different than our guided artillery shell and you claim they are based on russian one that never even given to iranianThat's not what the third link shown is stating. It's explicit about Iran having been supplied Krasnopol rounds by a Russian company, and the transaction it's referring to has nothing to do with the war in Syria.
as i said the need was not the need to study and learn it and no paying money for a system but not use it is the sign of problems.Putting to use a complex weapons system one doesn't need is a sign of psychopathology, not the other way around.
we use s-75 and its integrated , we use crotal and rapier. how effective are there do we need them.There's no logic in fielding a weapons system one sees no benefit in. If it's deployed and integrated into the IADS, it implies that Iran is considering it has a role of its own to play in the general air defence architecture.
show me one system we throw away and said let not use anymoreBecause Iranian planners see a complementary role for the HQ-2. This is why it's still being operated rather than being retired from service.
without supply facility , weapon and spare part nobody buy airplane in such form36 Su-30SM's can be had for around 1,8 billion USD.
this funds will be mobilized from 4.5 billion euro put aside for increasing the power of armed force and thats separate from usual air force budget. now how you want to use that money its up to you , its for all branches of IRGC, Army and BasijThese funds will have to be mobilized independently from the regular air force budget. It'd be an extraordinary investment, the type of which is consented to only once in a decade or so.
buying final product from foreigner is not investment . a TOT or investing in domestic product and building the infrastructure for building those products is investmentThe suggestion at hand is hypothetical by essence. Nobody is insinuating that Iran has already struck such a deal with Russia, but that it would constitute an acceptable investment should Iran decide to go for it.
we have a separate word for cold , but what cold , is it something separate or basically just lack of warm?First of all when you ask for water in a restaurant, you dont get a cup of ice. You get the liquid form....hence why we have a seperate word called ice. Had I said to Hack Hook prove to me "ice is dry" then you may have had a point. That said, a solid is solid and dry is dry. They are different words that mean different things. If you run your fingers on some ice your fingers will be wet!
what saving me i pointed out to the purple sky as i'm interested in painting as a hobby i look around more closely and i see such thing , you wanted to mock me by that post , well we have a verse in Quran for thatTokhm darvordee Israeliye omad nejatet dad? I look at sky all the time and it is NEVER purple....that means you're probably high most times and are hallucinating.
that's your situation . i pointed out that pure oxygen is actually harmful . and proved you wrongYoure like a fish out of water now, good to see you finally gave up trying to prove the impossible. You made enough of a fool of yourself.
do you have picture of any Gamma-d in iran before falaq radar was shownNope, Iran Gamma D Long before, and Croatia S300 is BS, you post a lot of BS lately, I dont Know where you Got all this INFO.. I am more or less on different military forums from 2006 and follow Iran military even before, so I Know exactly when and where we discussed about all these radar. In fact Iran recently show domesticly overhuled Gamma D, it came Long before S300. Croatia Got only part of S300, and since I am from Bosnia, I can tell you that Croatia, as Bosnia is US puppet
the only evidence i saw is kowsar , do you have evidence on something like noor?
which basic is the same data , but mistakenly stated all the tanks were merkava-4 , but in all it gave the same amount just 1-2 more or less
then provide your data , as the data you showed now is basically from the same source but with mistakes .
the contradiction come from the fact your source changed the data Zionist official provided if you go and look at the place that your source say it get its data , you see what happens here . i looked at the original article , did you do so ?
yes the data that your source claimed is from Jerusalem post but at Jerusalem post they are different and your source modified them
5 tank destroyed , 21 tank penetrated and 3 soldier died after hundreds of ATGM fired , really extra ordinary performance
as i said there are video on Liv-e-Le-ak that show 5-6 atgm fired at a Tank and they are published by lebanese side not israeli one
370 tank participated , 52 tank hit and 21 penetrated . 18 of the tanks that were hit was merkava-4 , to penetrated , one of them by IED and the other by ATGM.
as i said hundreds because i saw the videos of 4-5 even more atgm being fired toward the tanks
that system is a vhf radar nor bavar , neither 13th of khordad or 3rd of Khordad come with VHF radar
they use s-band and x-band in short they have a lot more in common with Patriot system that we never had access to than s-300 that some journalist claim our system are based on.
never get deployed , such radar till we built or substantialy different fath radar developed
and you knew they are deployed or think they are deployed ? or perhaps wish they to be deployed. when we have more powerful fath why build nebu-svu , for god sake its not the advanced nebu-m we are talking about its good old nebu-svu
yes the general in syria gave the iranian supported force in syria 100 canon shell because he was impressed by iranian general . the shell is foundamentally different than our guided artillery shell and you claim they are based on russian one that never even given to iranian
as i said the need was not the need to study and learn it
and no paying money for a system but not use it is the sign of problems.
and if we use s-75 copy why not use s-300 that we have and paid for.?
we use s-75 and its integrated , we use crotal and rapier. how effective are there do we need them.
there is different kind of need . we always need air defense systems and the more advance the better as we lack an effective air-force right now. if tomorrow we find some crotale in a storage be assured we don\t say we are producing herz and ya-zahra let not use them . we will deploy them somewhere
show me one system we throw away and said let not use anymore
without supply facility , weapon and spare part nobody buy airplane in such form
this funds will be mobilized from 4.5 billion euro put aside for increasing the power of armed force and thats separate from usual air force budget. now how you want to use that money its up to you , its for all branches of IRGC, Army and Basij
buying final product from foreigner is not investment . a TOT or investing in domestic product and building the infrastructure for building those products is investment
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