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[GWXP]

Russian nominal GDP is 1,6 trl$ and GDP PPP is 4trln$---2,5 times bigger----meaning cost of living in Russia is 2,5 times cheaper than in USA.

And here are the dollar prices of military equipment bought by Russian ministry of defense (the price for MoD is cheaper than price for export):

T90C---2,6 mln$

BTR-82A-----0,5 mln$

BMP3--------1,3mln$

Tigr armored car-------140K$

Ka-52 attack helicopter-----15mln$

Msta-S self-propelled howitzer--------------1,5mln$

Kalibr cruise missile-----700K$

new Kilo submarine--------180mln$

new destroyer--------500mln$

^^ These are prices in dollar for Russian ministry of defense

Now, Iran's nominal GDP is 450bln$ and GDP PPP is 1,6trln$----3,55 times bigger--------meaning cost of living in Iran is 3,55 times cheaper than in USA

So Iran is cheaper than Russia, so we can assume that prices of Iranian made military equipment are lower than Russian prices. Based on Russian prices we can estimate rough dollar price of Iranian made military equipment .

Karrar tank--------2mln$

New APC-----0,4mln$

New IFV------1mln$

Raad armored car----120K$

Shahed 216-----------13mln$

Raad 2 self-propelled howitzer----1mln$

Howeyzeh cruise missile-------400K$

Fateh 313 ballistic missile----------1mln$

Iranian 3000ton submarine-------140mln$

Fateh 600 ton submarine------40mln$

7000ton destroyer---------400mln$

(+ add training, maintenance, spare parts, ammunition costs etc.)
Note that Iranian dollar military budget in 2017 was 16bln$

 

[PeeD]

Russian nominal GDP is 1,6 trl$ and GDP PPP is 4trln$---2,5 times bigger----meaning cost of living in Russia is 2,5 times cheaper than in USA.

And here are the dollar prices of military equipment bought by Russian ministry of defense (the price for MoD is cheaper than price for export):

T90C---2mln$

BTR-82A-----0,5 mln$

BMP3--------1,3mln$

Tigr armored car-------140K$

Ka-52 attack helicopter-----15mln$

Msta-S self-propelled howitzer--------------1,5mln$

Kalibr cruise missile-----700K$

new Kilo submarine--------180mln$

new destroyer--------500mln$

^^ These are prices in dollar for Russian ministry of defense

Now, Iran's nominal GDP is 450bln$ and GDP PPP is 1,6trln$----3,55 times bigger--------meaning cost of living in Iran is 3,55 times cheaper than in USA

So Iran is cheaper than Russia, so we can assume that prices of Iranian made military equipment are lower than Russian prices. Based on Russian prices we can estimate rough dollar price of Iranian made military equipment .

Karrar tank--------1,8mln$

New APC-----0,4mln$

New IFV------1mln$

Raad armored car----120K$

Shahed 216-----------13mln$

Raad 2 self-propelled howitzer----1mln$

Howeyzeh cruise missile-------400K$

Fateh 313 ballistic missile----------1mln$

Iranian 3000ton submarine-------140mln$

Fateh 600 ton submarine------40mln$

7000ton destroyer---------400mln$

(+ add training, maintenance, spare parts, ammunition costs etc.)
Note that Iranian dollar military budget in 2017 was 16bln$

IRGC is only able to build up that missile arsenal and underground bases because the possess all the chain. From mining to machining.

Same for Russia. They don't buy raw materials on the market. That's a path outside the capitalist system of those countries.

So when a Fateh costs $<100k it's due to that special situation.
Otherwise Iran would never have this deterrence level with such a small budget. That's also why only products that are almost entirely produced inside the Iran via this path enter mass/serial production that makes a change.
Missiles and now air defence.
Everything else lacks critical subsystems like Karrar --> engine.

 

[GWXP]

IRGC is only able to build up that missile arsenal and underground bases because the possess all the chain. From mining to machining.

Same for Russia. They don't buy raw materials on the market. That's a path outside the capitalist system of those countries.

So when a Fateh costs $<100k it's due to that special situation.
Otherwise Iran would never have this deterrence level with such a small budget. That's also why only products that are almost entirely produced inside the Iran via this path enter mass/serial production that makes a change.
Missiles and now air defence.
Everything else lacks critical subsystems like Karrar --> engine.

I doubt that Fateh costs 100K$

I read that Iskander missile costs around 3mln$ for Russian defense ministry

Chinese missiles similar to Fateh were sold at 1.5mln$ per unit to Turkey in 2000s

 

[Sina-1]

I doubt that Fateh costs 100K$

I read that Iskander missile costs around 3mln$ for Russian defense ministry

Chinese missiles similar to Fateh were sold at 1.5mln$ per unit to Turkey in 2000s

Please read his post again. Cost and money doesn’t mean anything if you own the whole chain in a self sufficient manner.


Closed loop economy doesn’t bleed, so all money spent is returned through taxes. Iran needs to apply the irgc economy on the whole country and eliminate corruption and nepotism.

 

[GWXP]

Please read his post again. Cost and money doesn’t mean anything if you own the whole chain in a self sufficient manner.


Closed loop economy doesn’t bleed, so all money spent is returned through taxes. Iran needs to apply the irgc economy on the whole country and eliminate corruption and nepotism.

Still it doesn't mean 500km ballistic missile costs 100k$---if so----for 1bln$ you can buy 10.000 Fateh 110 which is fantastic

 

[Sina-1]

Still it doesn't mean 500km ballistic missile costs 100k$---if so----for 1bln$ you can buy 10.000 Fateh 110 which is fantastic

The question of cost is connected to the question of value. It is important for global economist to talk in these terms because few countries can sustain the whole chain in a self sufficient manner. Therefore there is a need for trade and cooperation across the borders so all countries can thrive. Without the concept of money, trade becomes extremely difficult.

however the above system becomes irrelevant if ALL material and know how can be sustained in ONE country. No trade is needed and thus the concept of value, cost and money becomes irrelevant. Iran can produce millions of Fateh without loosing a sweat. If it please you, you can say it costs 10$ a piece or 10billion$ a piece. It does not matter because the production is completely closed loop.

 

[GWXP]

Please read his post again. Cost and money doesn’t mean anything if you own the whole chain in a self sufficient manner.


Closed loop economy doesn’t bleed, so all money spent is returned through taxes. Iran needs to apply the irgc economy on the whole country and eliminate corruption and nepotism.

If it was so cheap---all countries in the world (instead of buying aircrafts ) would have armed themselves to teeth with SRBMs

More reasonable estimates from countries which also have full-cycle of production--like China and Russia---show that SRBM cost is anywhere between 1-2mln$ per unit (solid fuel, guidance, filament casing etc. in reality is probably more expensive than 100k$)

 

[Arminkh]

Still it doesn't mean 500km ballistic missile costs 100k$---if so----for 1bln$ you can buy 10.000 Fateh 110 which is fantastic

Margins on advanced weapons are extremely high. Reason is they are not produced in as high the number as commercial products. That's why the weapon companies that can actually sell their products in free market all do very well financially.

 

[yavar]

 

[Draco.IMF]

we not buying any Tanks any way


we have to try ,
when it comes to engines we have tech of SU-35,
but to get to level design and characteristics, body infrastructure, avionic we have to get your hand on something good to be able to catch up fast

@yavar

can Iran can get it hands on something (level design and characteristics, body infrastructure, avionic..) to reverse engineer it....maybe from venezuela, belarus, ukraine, armenia?

what is he saying about the Sepehr AIP?

 

[VEVAK]

I doubt that Fateh costs 100K$

I read that Iskander missile costs around 3mln$ for Russian defense ministry

Chinese missiles similar to Fateh were sold at 1.5mln$ per unit to Turkey in 2000s

Fateh costs Iran under $100K because it's a domestically produced and the raw materials are basically free so all your really paying for is manpower that is relatively cheap in Iran and parts that make up the sub systems both domestics and imported that by themselves don't cost much.
However that wouldn't be the production costs if Iran wanted to export it!

FYI Iran's Simogh SLV costs Iran $3.5 Million with standard pricing so your numbers are way off!

 

[TheImmortal]

Fateh costs Iran under $100K because it's a domestically produced and the raw materials are basically free so all your really paying for is manpower that is relatively cheap in Iran and parts that make up the sub systems both domestics and imported that by themselves don't cost much.
However that wouldn't be the production costs if Iran wanted to export it!

FYI Iran's Simogh SLV costs Iran $3.5 Million with standard pricing so your numbers are way off!

Can you post proof from a Commander or publication that states 100K?

I am wondering where this number came from?

 

[VEVAK]

Can you post proof from a Commander or publication that states 100K?

I am wondering where this number came from?

I can post prof that Simorgh costs 3.5M if you like!

Simorgh cost is $3.5M and that's a multi stage system with cluster engine booster equipped with TVC on all stages.... so yea

https://www.tasnimnews.com/fa/news/...ی-می-شوند-به-دنبال-ماهواره-بر-سوخت-جامد-هستیم

 

[TheImmortal]

I can post prof that Simorgh costs 3.5M if you like!

Simorgh cost is $3.5M and that's a multi stage system with cluster engine booster equipped with TVC on all stages.... so yea

https://www.tasnimnews.com/fa/news/...ی-می-شوند-به-دنبال-ماهواره-بر-سوخت-جامد-هستیم

So you pulled the 100K out of your butt? That is what you are saying?

I thought there was a commander who said a Qiam missile cost 250K or something along those lines maybe it Shahed-129 he was talking.

 

[Ich]

For me it sounds ok. I would tax Fateh at 150k-200k, but not millions.

Edit: cause of the gyro and the nav systems. The body itself cost not much. Also the solid fuel is produced in masses so it also do not cost that much.