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[WinterNights]

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While many US officials and Navy officers still believe that this stunning show put on by Grumman test pilots influenced the Shah’s final decision to order the F-14, Iranian officers interviewed by Cooper and Bishop strongly disagree. One of the first to fly the Tomcat was Maj Ali. He had experience of the F-4, as well as having exchange tours with the USAF, Israeli Defence Force /Air Force (IDF/AF), Luftwaffe, US Navy, RAF and Pakistani Air Force to his credit. He was later to score more than five aerial victories against Iraq, and he offered a further insight into the background to the Iranian order"---:


https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/why-iran-loves-f-14-tomcat-and-passed-f-15-eagle-65066

? what's your point?

 

[mohsen]

"
While many US officials and Navy officers still believe that this stunning show put on by Grumman test pilots influenced the Shah’s final decision to order the F-14, Iranian officers interviewed by Cooper and Bishop strongly disagree. One of the first to fly the Tomcat was Maj Ali. He had experience of the F-4, as well as having exchange tours with the USAF, Israeli Defence Force /Air Force (IDF/AF), Luftwaffe, US Navy, RAF and Pakistani Air Force to his credit. He was later to score more than five aerial victories against Iraq, and he offered a further insight into the background to the Iranian order"---:


https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/why-iran-loves-f-14-tomcat-and-passed-f-15-eagle-65066

F14 was chosen because it's company Grumman bribed Iranian negotiator general Toofanian with $ 28 million.

 

[Hack-Hook]

F14 was chosen because it's company Grumman bribed Iranian negotiator general Toofanian with $ 28 million.

Well at the time F-14a was better than F-15a if we bought F-15 at the time then the airplane didnt had half the capabilities of our F-14

 

[mohsen]

Well at the time F-14a was better than F-15a if we bought F-15 at the time then the airplane didnt had half the capabilities of our F-14

Yeah, and 4 times more expensive and super hard to get the spare parts.

That's why we were fighting Iraqi jets with F5!

 

[Mithridates]

Well at the time F-14a was better than F-15a if we bought F-15 at the time then the airplane didnt had half the capabilities of our F-14

actually it's still better than F-15C, also it's almost impossible to engage with a mig-25 by an f-15 armed with 40 km range sparrow. it was only option to stop migs.

 

[Sina-1]

F14 was chosen because it's company Grumman bribed Iranian negotiator general Toofanian with $ 28 million.

That may have been the case as well, however f14 was bought mainly to intercept mig25. To which it’s radar and Phoenix rocket were a great asset.
Also shah had also put in orders for f16 as the main work horse fighter. That would have been the backbone of Iran Air Force had the revolution happened 2-3 years later.

I don’t try to justify the massive arms purchase by shah. We all can agree that relying on other countries when it comes to military hardware is the most stupid and insane thing that a country in Irans situation could do. However, if accepting that premise, the purchase of f14 and f16 made logical sense.

 

[925boy]

F-14 and MiG-29

and some idiots on PDF will tell us "Iran has no air force"...smh.

 

[skyshadow]

and some idiots on PDF will tell us "Iran has no air force"...smh.

maybe against US we do not, but against any other yes we do.

 

[mohsen]

That may have been the case as well, however f14 was bought mainly to intercept mig25. To which it’s radar and Phoenix rocket were a great asset.
Also shah had also put in orders for f16 as the main work horse fighter. That would have been the backbone of Iran Air Force had the revolution happened 2-3 years later.

I don’t try to justify the massive arms purchase by shah. We all can agree that relying on other countries when it comes to military hardware is the most stupid and insane thing that a country in Irans situation could do. However, if accepting that premise, the purchase of f14 and f16 made logical sense.

About Mig25, during Iran-Iraq war just 3 of them were shot down (in aerial combat), two with F-14 and one with F-5, also U.S didn't sell the pressure suit which was required for our pilots to go high enough to properly intercept high flying birds.

I think it's enough to say that purchase of F14 didn't seem logical to chief commander of air force, deputy chief commander of airforce for operations and their team!

 

[Hack-Hook]

Yeah, and 4 times more expensive and super hard to get the spare parts.

That's why we were fighting Iraqi jets with F5!

expensive yes , hard to get spare yes but the question is was getting spare Hard for Iran Army when they choose the platform , or how F-15A with its Sparrow missile would have faired against Saddam Air force ?

more importantly could F-15A intercept Mig-25 ? don't forget we bought it for that purpose and if everything went according to plan we would have fought against Saddam with 160 F-14 and more than 200 F-16 not F-5.
well you ca blame them for anything but I think the decision to buy F-16 and F-14 was sound decision.

About Mig25, during Iran-Iraq war just 3 of them were shot down (in aerial combat), two with F-14 and one with F-5, also U.S didn't sell the pressure suit which was required for our pilots to go high enough to properly intercept high flying birds.

I think it's enough to say that purchase of F14 didn't seem logical to chief commander of air force, deputy chief commander of airforce for operations and their team!

that's because Mig - 25 in Iraq war was not a priority target and our pilots preferred to go after Iraqi Bombers also we had problem with maintaining Phoenix .and no with F-14 we didn't need to fly that high to intercept those mig Pilots , it was the appeal of AIM-54 that would have done that if you have chosen Top attack as mode of engagement .

 

[Mithridates]

guys jokes aside, are we making an stealth fighter version of sofreh mahi??

 

[MastanKhan]

About Mig25, during Iran-Iraq war just 3 of them were shot down (in aerial combat), two with F-14 and one with F-5, also U.S didn't sell the pressure suit which was required for our pilots to go high enough to properly intercept high flying birds.

I think it's enough to say that purchase of F14 didn't seem logical to chief commander of air force, deputy chief commander of air force for operations and their team!

Hi,

What high pressure suit for air combat---? There is no such thing---. There is a pressure suit---and that should have been a part of the deal---.

Otherwise the long range BVR missiles that the F14 had---with their radar had the capability to take on any aircraft that the russians sent---.

 

[TheImmortal]

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guys jokes aside, are we making an stealth fighter version of sofreh mahi??

Looks like a unfinished Bavar 2 or it’s variant

If you look closely that plane in that picture has no cockpit yet nor does have it intakes for engine to get air.

Honestly is that upper left picture even taken in Iran?

Either way Sofreh Mahi project and every fighter jet project is on hold Till iran can demonstrate a worthy engine to power them.

Even F-313 has disappeared from the news and that was going to be powered by j-85

 

[ashool]

ooks like a unfinished Bavar 2 or it’s variant

excuse me how old are you ?

 

[TheImmortal]

excuse me how old are you ?

Old enough k madare jendato bokonam haroom zade.