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[Muhammed45]

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Great info about Qaher's future.

 

[TheImmortal]

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Great info about Qaher's future.

everyone with a brain, knew that garbage design wasn’t going to be mass produced after the disaster unveiling and Rouhani’s further embarrassment

 

[Muhammed45]

everyone with a brain, knew that garbage design wasn’t going to be mass produced

There is a big if to it.

This platform will be used as a test bed for future project which is not unveiled as of yet.

About that if, if one of IRGC or Artesh airforces places a good piece of order then it will be Mass produced, otherwise, it wouldn't be more than a test bed and a tech demonstrator.

 

[TheImmortal]

There is a big if to it.

This platform will be used as a test bed for future project which is not unveiled as of yet.

About that if, if one of IRGC or Artesh airforces places a good piece of order then it will be Mass produced, otherwise, it wouldn't be more than a test bed and a tech demonstrator.

In the military when they mess up royally, they try to save face by saying “test bed” or “technology demonstrator” or “we learned a lot from the project for future needs”

Its BS military talk for “we screwed up, but don’t want to get fired or punished”

 

[mohsen]

In the military when they mess up royally, they try to save face by saying “test bed” or “technology demonstrator” or “we learned a lot from the project for future needs”

Its BS military talk for “we screwed up, but don’t want to get fired or punished”

Or when they have lost all of their budget, like space program or passenger jet program, etc and neither can complain nor can finish the project whether good or bad design.

 

[aryobarzan]

In the military when they mess up royally, they try to save face by saying “test bed” or “technology demonstrator” or “we learned a lot from the project for future needs”

Its BS military talk for “we screwed up, but don’t want to get fired or punished”

There is a lot of truth to what you said..US military is full of such projects.."Sargent york" is one example still in my head...but it is also true that every failure makes you closer to the eventual product what ever that may be....important thing is to keep the team together to avoid "lessons learned " from disappearing...that is what was not done in case of Iran's space program...

 

[sha ah]

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

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Great info about Qaher's future.

It’s going to hurt the ego of some people here who said the project was stopped

 

[sha ah]

Qaher looks similar to the Boeing Bird of Prey but realistically it was too small to carry any serious payload internally. Watch this video at 2:15

everyone with a brain, knew that garbage design wasn’t going to be mass produced after the disaster unveiling and Rouhani’s further embarrassment

 

[Stryker1982]

Qaher looks similar to the Boeing Bird of Prey but realistically it was too small to carry any serious payload internally. Watch this video at 2:15

IF they convert it to something else sure, but other than that, I hate when this zombie aircraft is constantly brought back to life in social media when it was a national embarrassment for last 10 years.

There is a lot of truth to what you said..US military is full of such projects.."Sargent york" is one example still in my head...but it is also true that every failure makes you closer to the eventual product what ever that may be....important thing is to keep the team together to avoid "lessons learned " from disappearing...that is what was not done in case of Iran's space program...

The problem was when they promoted it like it was the greatest thing of all time. These thing should be kept with a low profile until ready even if it was an experimental project.

 

[mohsen]

IF they convert it to something else sure, but other than that, I hate when this zombie aircraft is constantly brought back to life in social media when it was a national embarrassment for last 10 years.

The problem was when they promoted it like it was the greatest thing of all time. These thing should be kept with a low profile until ready even if it was an experimental project.

Qaher became an embarrassment cause it never flied, if they could continue the project, foreign media couldn't continue to mock us, but there has been plenty of espionage and sabotage in our defense ministry.
If you remember western media were mocking Iranian missiles along Qaher at the same time too. but since traitors Rouhani and Dehghan (specially this f@cker) suspended this bold project (which was going to fly soon), it became the symbol of Iranian lies.

Qaher was a clear case of sabotage when Dehghan demanded unnecessary changes in the design to waste time and resources before suspending majority of the projects (including Qaher) in the defense ministry and receiving his reward of golden coins and medal.

 

[Stryker1982]

Qaher became an embarrassment cause it never flied, if they could continue the project, foreign media couldn't continue to mock us, but there has been plenty of espionage and sabotage in our defense ministry.
If you remember western media were mocking Iranian missiles along Qaher at the same time too. but since traitors Rouhani and Dehghan (specially this f@cker) suspended this bold project (which was going to fly soon), it became the symbol of Iranian lies.

Qaher was a clear case of sabotage when Dehghan demanded unnecessary changes in the design to waste time and resources before suspending majority of the projects (including Qaher) in the defense ministry and receiving his reward of golden coins and medal.

100%.

They need to finish this project to redeem themselves. It has become a symbol as you said. The symbol needs to be destroyed. Dehghan created a big mess and it needs to be cleaned up.

An unmanned version is fine as well, as long as they continue it until completion and is useful.

 

[Dariush the Great]

but there has been plenty of espionage and sabotage in our defense ministry.

bi orzeha

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

Qaher became an embarrassment cause it never flied, if they could continue the project, foreign media couldn't continue to mock us, but there has been plenty of espionage and sabotage in our defense ministry.
If you remember western media were mocking Iranian missiles along Qaher at the same time too. but since traitors Rouhani and Dehghan (specially this f@cker) suspended this bold project (which was going to fly soon), it became the symbol of Iranian lies.

Qaher was a clear case of sabotage when Dehghan demanded unnecessary changes in the design to waste time and resources before suspending majority of the projects (including Qaher) in the defense ministry and receiving his reward of golden coins and medal.

Why exactly should they waist scares resources seeing through a failed project that would bare no fruits for the IRIAF? They did the only smart thing by cutting their loses. This project was used as a publicity stunt and it back fired and should serve as a lesson of what not to do in the future. There is nothing shameful about having failed projects if you can learn from them but it would have been a great shame had they kept sinking money into a failure just to "save face".

 

[sha ah]

Qaher was too small to carry any serious internal payload. Just compare it to the new Russian checkmate, which is considered to be a small stealth jet.

My issue is that if they were going to use it as a publicity stunt then why not showcase something viable that looked impressive as well ?

I mean these days it doesn't take much to come up with a basic design and then build a display model along with some cgi. To me Qaher just doesn't look right.

The issue is that Iran doesnt really have the budget or the connections to produce a fifth generation stealth fighter by itself. Even Russia is having issues mass producing its SU-57.

Now even if Iran were to procure a few dozen stealth fighters in the future like the Checkmate in the 2030s for example, they would only act as the tip of the spear for Iran's airforce.

Iran would still need to replace the bulk of its aging fleet with a reliable 4th gen or 4.5 gen fighter like the SU-27 variant (SU-30, SU-35) or J-10 or even J-16.

Why exactly should they waist scares resources seeing through a failed project that would bare no fruits for the IRIAF? They did the only smart thing by cutting their loses. This project was used as a publicity stunt and it back fired and should serve as a lesson of what not to do in the future. There is nothing shameful about having failed projects if you can learn from them but it would have been a great shame had they kept sinking money into a failure just to "save face".