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[VEVAK]

Show me proof that Kowsar carries a 150KM Radar that is able to detect low RCS objects. Otherwise you are spreading propaganda.

LOL! You think 150KM is a lot??? I was being conservative! MY GOD! Kowsar's radar is Iran's version of the ELM-2032 so again worst case scenario is that Iran's version has a Air to Air detection of ~85NM or 157km ( Instead of 120NM) So that's me being extremely conservative! If anything Iran's version is an upgraded version of ELM-2032 with more enhanced capabilities....

https://www.iai.co.il/p/elm-2032

 

[TheImmortal]

LOL! You think 150KM is a lot??? I was being conservative! MY GOD! Kowsar's radar is Iran's version of the ELM-2032 so again worst case scenario is that Iran's version has a Air to Air detection of ~85NM or 157km ( Instead of 120NM) So that's me being extremely conservative! If anything Iran's version is an upgraded version of ELM-2032 with more enhanced capabilities....

https://www.iai.co.il/p/elm-2032

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You are like 3 days too late. I already found and discussed the radar since you couldn’t find it in time.

150KM is not much compared to the radars of F-22 and SU-35. But they are much much bigger aircraft with bigger nose cones to house more capable radars.

F-5 can’t do much with its low speed for interception against supercruise jets like F-35 and F-22. Furthermore, the later carries a radar that can detect the F-5 from much further away. And I don’t think the M-2032 was designed to detect low RCS objects either way. IRBIS-E (SU-35 latest Radar) can supposedly detect low RCS objects at 90KM. The radar before that can detect air targets with RCS = 3 m² at a distance of 350 km.

Anyway you cut it, the F-5 is not designed for what you want it to do. Once detected or locked on, the F-5 will have to drop tanks to gain speed and then the range drops even further.

So again F-5 is not designed for air defense role. It’s a light CAS fighter at best to be used on insurgent groups and keep the F-5 in service a little bit longer.

 

[Sina-1]

Show me the composites and alloys being cut

First of. Alloys used in original f5 are not difficult to produce from a metallurgy point of view. Secondly when it comes to ribs and spars of the aircraft you basically need a planar laser cutters and cnc milling machines. It’s not that hard. From the CAD models they generate, it is more or less an easy process to get production code (CAM/G-code etc).
For the body of the aircraft, either mill out a negative for the composites or use press tools to form sheet metals. Again, the main source is easily generated in CAD.

producing the actual airframe is not the hard part, at least not for an f5 derivative.

 

[TruthHurtz]

First of. Alloys used in original f5 are not difficult to produce from a metallurgy point of view. Secondly when it comes to robs and spars of the aircraft you basically need a planar laser cutters and cnc milling machines. It’s not that hard. From the CAD models they generate, it is more or less an easy process to get production code (CAM/G-code etc).
For the body of the aircraft, either mill out a negative for the composites or use press tools to form sheet metals. Again, the main source is easily generated in CAD.

producing the actual airframe is not the hard part, at least not for an f5 derivative.

I don't doubt Iran's ability to be able to produce an F-5 airframe. Azarkash and Saeqeh had noticeable airframe modifications which rules out the idea of them being upgraded from existing stocks. Kowsar has no differences, even superficial from the F-5F it's based on, which has lead every professional analyst to determine it's just an upgrade and not a new aircraft like fanboys think.

 

[Sina-1]

I don't doubt Iran's ability to be able to produce an F-5 airframe. Azarkash and Saeqeh had noticeable airframe modifications which rules out the idea of them being upgraded from existing stocks. Kowsar has no differences, even superficial from the F-5F it's based on, which has lead every professional analyst to determine it's just an upgrade and not a new aircraft like fanboys think.

I think the question comes down to how capable this Kowsar actually is. If Iran would be able to arm it with a meteor like missiles with range between 150-200 km, then IMO the Kowsar becomes a force multiplier. IF that is the case then they will/are producing a large number of it. IF not, then it is most likely another iteration for “learning” how to design and build fighter jets, just like its predecessors.

 

[TheImmortal]

I don't doubt Iran's ability to be able to produce an F-5 airframe. Azarkash and Saeqeh had noticeable airframe modifications which rules out the idea of them being upgraded from existing stocks. Kowsar has no differences, even superficial from the F-5F it's based on, which has lead every professional analyst to determine it's just an upgrade and not a new aircraft like fanboys think.

As long as the airframe of the existing F-5 has not experienced too much stress, why should Iran make a new airframe?

smarter route is to use existing stock, especially if this isn’t a mass production aircraft. Which I believe it isn’t. We will see Kowsar II in less than 2 years.

 

[sahureka2]

[QUOTE = "TruthHurtz, post: 11975941, membro: 181819"]
Show me the composites and alloys being cut and formed for the Kowsar instead of that "assembly line" photo with the yellow primer.[/QUOTE]

you don't answer with a question.
I await the answer inherent in my question, which I propose more specifically: do you have tangible evidence that the Kowsar is not a newly built aircraft?

thank you

 

[925boy]

Also Iran says a lot of things. They have also been saying they are going to launch 6 satellites “soon” for last 4 years.
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satellite launches are very much affected by political situation with US + EU. You know they find them provocative, so Iran might have satellite launches planned, but if they dont fit within the political environment/dynamics desired by the Iranian govt, they wont launch those satellites. Plus you dunno how many "launches " Iran has done via NK.

(no country has ever been able to do such a feast under these condition...the closest I can think of is north korea and they are not even close)

North Korea only got this far due to China and Russia's help. that is a 100% fact. broke, isolated, low populated, low resourced, North Korea cannot make Iskander and ICBM on its own except China helps them. thats the fact.

 

[Hack-Hook]

I don't doubt Iran's ability to be able to produce an F-5 airframe. Azarkash and Saeqeh had noticeable airframe modifications which rules out the idea of them being upgraded from existing stocks. Kowsar has no differences, even superficial from the F-5F it's based on, which has lead every professional analyst to determine it's just an upgrade and not a new aircraft like fanboys think.

but twine tail Saeqeh was an upgrade and refurbishing of some f-5 we got from Ethiopia or another African country if i'm not wrong.

 

[sha ah]

Yeah they disassembled it and painted it yellow and put it back together. LOL Iran can't reverse engineer an F-5, only the west can build weapons, everything else is fake. Honestly change your name to Butthurtz because that's what you are. Next you're going to tell us that Iran can't build submarines, or rifles, or bullets or bicycles. Or better yet try telling us that Iran doesn't even produce missiles, they're all just cardboard or refurbished scuds or cgi or something. You remember the Aramco bombings ? It wasn't Iran, it was the US. They did it themselves to sell weapons. Some people are so butthurt when it comes to Iran's achievements that they actually believe things like that. So sad.

So they disassembled an F-5, put yellow primer on it and suddenly it's a brand spanking new aircraft.

Try again.

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

Yeah they disassembled it and painted it yellow and put it back together. LOL Iran can't reverse engineer an F-5, only the west can build weapons, everything else is fake. Honestly change your name to Butthurtz because that's what you are. Next you're going to tell us that Iran can't build submarines, or rifles, or bullets or bicycles. Or better yet try telling us that Iran doesn't even produce missiles, they're all just cardboard or refurbished scuds or cgi or something. You remember the Aramco bombings ? It wasn't Iran, it was the US. They did it themselves to sell weapons. Some people are so butthurt when it comes to Iran's achievements that they actually believe things like that. So sad.

Let them live in ignorance! The less they think of Iran's capabilities the more dumb founded they will be when they actually encounter it in real life!

 

[Mithridates]

but twine tail Saeqeh was an upgrade and refurbishing of some f-5 we got from Ethiopia or another African country if i'm not wrong.

saeqeh-2 was a refurbished one.

 

[TruthHurtz]

Yeah they disassembled it and painted it yellow and put it back together. LOL Iran can't reverse engineer an F-5, only the west can build weapons, everything else is fake. Honestly change your name to Butthurtz because that's what you are. Next you're going to tell us that Iran can't build submarines, or rifles, or bullets or bicycles. Or better yet try telling us that Iran doesn't even produce missiles, they're all just cardboard or refurbished scuds or cgi or something. You remember the Aramco bombings ? It wasn't Iran, it was the US. They did it themselves to sell weapons. Some people are so butthurt when it comes to Iran's achievements that they actually believe things like that. So sad.

You're the one getting rustled and emotional over a refurbished F-5 man just saying.

 

[VEVAK]

You are like 3 days too late. I already found and discussed the radar since you couldn’t find it in time.

150KM is not much compared to the radars of F-22 and SU-35. But they are much much bigger aircraft with bigger nose cones to house more capable radars.

F-5 can’t do much with its low speed for interception against supercruise jets like F-35 and F-22. Furthermore, the later carries a radar that can detect the F-5 from much further away. And I don’t think the M-2032 was designed to detect low RCS objects either way. IRBIS-E (SU-35 latest Radar) can supposedly detect low RCS objects at 90KM. The radar before that can detect air targets with RCS = 3 m² at a distance of 350 km.

Anyway you cut it, the F-5 is not designed for what you want it to do. Once detected or locked on, the F-5 will have to drop tanks to gain speed and then the range drops even further.

So again F-5 is not designed for air defense role. It’s a light CAS fighter at best to be used on insurgent groups and keep the F-5 in service a little bit longer.

Well I didn't see your post since you didn't hit the reply button.... But yes a conservative estimate for an Iranian version of the ELM-2032 worst case would be ~85NM or +150km against fighter like the F-15 which would be more than sufficient in terms of range because on top of that you'll likely be fed target info from ground sensors and early warning systems plus the Kowsars don't even carry weapons that can engage fighter size targets at even half that range.

As I said range would not be an Issue for the Kowsars since they would mainly be operating within ~250km of their home base because the platform it's self is not built to achieve air superiority over enemy airspace because it simply does NOT have the range to do so anyway so the range of it's radar is more than sufficient for the role the aircraft is actually built to fill however the real issue against modern AESA equipped fighter jet would be speed of operation! A fleet of sensor fused F-22 & F-35's backed by AWACS can go Radar ON and in under 3 seconds have more targets on their radars than they have weapons for so by the time an Iranian Kowsar locks on and fires on it's 1st target the American fighters would have already emptied out all their ordnances and would be heading back home to re-arm.....

 

[sha ah]

You're the one getting rustled and emotional over a refurbished F-5 man just saying.

Your impoverished country is bankrupt and can't even produce a toilet but this doesn't mean that every country outside the western sphere is as incapable as yours.

You're so triggered & butthurt u can't even handle the fact that Iran has reverse engineered an F-5. Tell me are Iran's missiles and drones fake as well ? Did the US bomb Aramco itself to sell more weapons to the Saudis ? What other delusions do you believe in ?