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[Mr Iran Eye]

TheImmortal is totally drifting towards the end of the year. I wonder if he follows the advice of his doctor for his medication? And Vevak exaggerates once again !!


I read that the radar of the Kowar version 2 place would be 90KM and the version with a pilot would be 110 KM. I ask PeeD to confirm this.

The Kowsar is a great result to defend the country and they will be supported by the F14. Mig 29 and I am convinced that the Kowsar will have tracking functions on the ground to help its performance. Outside Iran, he may be more vulnerable, but inside the country. it will be very effective. Iran is a mountainous country and this can be used for tactical operations. Authorities have said that in one year there have been major improvements to the plane so let's wait for the follow up.

I believe Iran a more powerful fighter plane to keep it secret and in operation. I believe that the Shafaq fighter plane project is more successful than we think. Iran has always said that it keeps a few weapons never secret from the public and I believe that in wartime we will have a big surprise

 

[TruthHurtz]

These planes aren't real ffs

kowsar, azarkash, saeqeh, simorgh its all the same damn plane with cosmetic modifications

 

[TheImmortal]

I believe Iran a more powerful fighter plane to keep it secret and in operation. I believe that the Shafaq fighter plane project is more successful than we think. Iran has always said that it keeps a few weapons never secret from the public and I believe that in wartime we will have a big surprise

Yes, I am sure Iran is hiding 100 super duper fighter jets in your moms basement. I mean how delusional must you be to believe that Iran is hiding “powerful” fighter jets.

Maybe you can hide a handful of top secret experimental aircraft like the US did with the SR-71 Blackbird, U-2, and B-2. But you aren’t going to magically hide 50+ fighter jets.

These planes aren't real ffs

kowsar, azarkash, saeqeh, simorgh its all the same damn plane with cosmetic modifications

No point in arguing with fanboys. They do this after unveiling since the first Saeqeh. They thought Iran would build 50+ Saeqeh and they built less than 24 (maybe as low as 6). Then they said Saeqeh II is the game changer than still not a significant amount was built. Now they say Kowsar....yes Kowsar is the real game changer. 5 years from now they will say Kowsar II or Super Kowsar I is the game changer. Never ending cycle.

Yet IRIAF still has shown no interest in this other than a modernization program.

The truth is Iran has plenty of F-5s and will try to keep them flying along with other planes well into the 2030’s. So that’s all these programs are doing is keeping the skeleton airforce supplied till the military decides to actually focus on airforce.

There have been attempts (F-35 engine blueprint stealing attempt) that demonstrate there is a desire within military leadership for high grade military aircraft tech.

So I wouldn’t classify Iranian airforce R&D as completely dormant. But it’s not a national priority. Until something in the AL-21 class is built Iran will not be able to build heavy fighters. RD-33 would allow some medium sized fighters.

 

[Sina-1]

Show me proof that Kowsar carries a 150KM Radar that is able to detect low RCS objects. Otherwise you are spreading propaganda.

A Gripen variant from a couple of generations back had a range of 120km. And that was without AESA tech!
Furthermore, low rcs is best detected when illuminated from multiple directions. Hence, it’s more effective with smaller, cheaper and multiple sources than big, expensive and few!

 

[TheImmortal]

A Gripen variant from a couple of generations back had a range of 120km. And that was without AESA tech!
Furthermore, low rcs is best detected when illuminated from multiple directions. Hence, it’s more effective with smaller, cheaper and multiple sources than big, expensive and few!

You are comparing two different planes. Post proof of the radar that is all I am asking. Don’t tell me a Gripen variant carries X radar. Has nothing to do with Kowsar or the Iranian military industry.

So I will have to answer my own question:

The radar being used by Kowsar MAY be a EL/M-2032 which has been used in F-4 and F-5s and that would put the range at 100KM with a max range of 150KM, if indeed Iran is able to clone the radar.

Since the only image of the radar was the actual planar array on display and not actually hooked up to the plane, it is possibly still in development. If anyone has pictures of the radar actually in the nose cone I’d like to see it.

 

[sha ah]

These planes aren't real ffs

kowsar, azarkash, saeqeh, simorgh its all the same damn plane with cosmetic modifications

I've already posted this in the Iranian Navy section but here we go again.

The basic design of the Kowsar is based on the F-5, however the Kowsar jets are manufactured in Iran from the ground up, with 80% or more of the parts being manufactured in Iran. The Kowsar is actually the culmination of a decades long program which began with maintenance and repairs and then led to optimizing, modernizing F-5's and then finally reverse engineering and building Iranian versions of the F-5. Here is the proof.

 

[TheImmortal]

I've already posted this in the Iranian Navy section but here we go again.

The basic design of the Kowsar is based on the F-5, however the Kowsar jets are manufactured in Iran from the ground up, with 80% or more of the parts being manufactured in Iran. The Kowsar is actually the culmination of a decades long program which began with maintenance and repairs and then led to optimizing, modernizing F-5's and then finally reverse engineering and building Iranian versions of the F-5. Here is the proof.

Until Iran builds More than 12 of them, it’s nothing more than a sideshow program.

I’ll wait in 2 years and see that there isn’t many Kowsar built. Then we will see what your excuse is.

 

[TruthHurtz]

I've already posted this in the Iranian Navy section but here we go again.

The basic design of the Kowsar is based on the F-5, however the Kowsar jets are manufactured in Iran from the ground up, with 80% or more of the parts being manufactured in Iran. The Kowsar is actually the culmination of a decades long program which began with maintenance and repairs and then led to optimizing, modernizing F-5's and then finally reverse engineering and building Iranian versions of the F-5. Here is the proof.

The basic design is exactly that of the F-5 with no design variations. It's an upgraded F-5 taken from pre-existing stocks, nothing more. Stop deluding yourself.

 

[skyshadow]

Until Iran builds More than 12 of them, it’s nothing more than a sideshow program.

I’ll wait in 2 years and see that there isn’t many Kowsar built. Then we will see what your excuse is.

well in that regard Army said they are opening production line not just in Tehran but in 2 other cities Isfahan and i cannot remember the second one they did not open production lines for any other jets

 

[TheImmortal]

well in that regard Army said they are opening production line not just in Tehran but in 2 other cities Isfahan and i cannot remember the second one they did not open production lines for any other jets

Why would Army being opening up production lines for Airforce?

Also Iran says a lot of things. They have also been saying they are going to launch 6 satellites “soon” for last 4 years.

Let’s wait and see if any actually get built. My guess is not many get upgraded and we see another version of F-5 within next 2 years with more improvements to convince airforce to go ahead.

Still waiting to see the first Karrars roll off the assembly line.

 

[skyshadow]

Why would Army being opening up production lines for Airforce?

Also Iran says a lot of things. They have also been saying they are going to launch 6 satellites “soon” for last 4 years.

Let’s wait and see if any actually get built. My guess is not many get upgraded and we see another version of F-5 within next 2 years with more improvements to convince airforce to go ahead.

Still waiting to see the first Karrars roll off the assembly line.

you are right i personally can not keep up with their messed up time lines that they sometimes say

air force said we are going to see 3 Kowsar in next 3-4 month


"Production process of Kowsar fighter in Tehran and Isfahan is proceeding with great speed."




https://www.khabaronline.ir/news/1334877/آخرین-خبرها-از-خط-تولید-جنگنده-کوثر-توسط-نیروی-هوایی-ارتش

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Are there any videos Kowser displaying a quick take off, turn rate, loop, rolls, etc?

I've only ever seen this "fighter" flying in straight line... slowly.

 

[skyshadow]

Are there any videos Kowser displaying a quick take off, turn rate, loop, rolls, etc?

I've only ever seen this "fighter" flying in straight line... slowly.

in these videos you can see quick take off and turn rate and loop and one roll

 

[TheImmortal]

you are right i personally can not keep up with their messed up time lines that they sometimes say

air force said we are going to see 3 Kowsar in next 3-4 month


"Production process of Kowsar fighter in Tehran and Isfahan is proceeding with great speed."




https://www.khabaronline.ir/news/1334877/آخرین-خبرها-از-خط-تولید-جنگنده-کوثر-توسط-نیروی-هوایی-ارتش

Yeah I think 6-12 Kowsar as a test bed similar to previous iterations. If the engines are “truly” Iranian made from scratch (owj) and not refurbished then Iran would likely only build a small number of Kowsar to observe how the owj engines perform.

This would prevent a expensive catastrophe, if it turns out the owj engines have a bottleneck or quality control problem.

 

[aryobarzan]

when I look at the digital cockpit of Kowsar I get so impressed . This is because I fully understand what has been involved into making each subsystem of this cockpit. I have worked in Western military aviation all my 40 year career and if you count the number of Electronic subsystems in this aircraft you realize what a mammoth task it has been to design,build,test and airworthy qualify each of them. Now keep in mind that a Western engineer sitting in a nice desk with all the data/spc sheets of every component he wishes to use (and he has at least 6 different choices for each let say microprocessor he intends to select). Compare that to the Iranian engineer sitting on his desk and having to shoehorn his design based on what he can get in the sanctioned market of Iran and he is lucky to get a translated let say Russian or chinese data sheet. Putting all the subsystem together making them work together (integration) is another story...this is all assuming that the aircraft itself is already done all the CAD drawings in place and of course the engine and landing gear and ejection seat also done (which is a whole new story all by themselves)... now the only sin that Iranians have done is that the physical external shape of this aircraft is similar to a f**king F5 and because of that this whole project is poof!....I can understand if an idiot western military observer will try to focus on this single sin and playdown this fantastic achivement ... but for all those Iranian in this forum please do not be fooled by what you read or see in the western media ...have faith and pride in what has been done (no country has ever been able to do such a feast under these condition...the closest I can think of is north korea and they are not even close)