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Is that F-4 or J-7?
I do not know . It's similar to the F-4, but it can not be the j7 because of the radar and the nose of the fighters.
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Is that F-4 or J-7?
It seems the blame is on ejection seat , Northrop claimed that the ejection seat is a 0-0 ejection seat , but whenever a pilot eject at low altitude its nearly certain that he get seriously injured.Sadly one F-5 crashed in Iran, pilot dead, co-pilot wounded
https://thedefensepost.com/2018/08/26/iran-f-5-crash-pilot-killed/
LYou have no idea what Black projects Iran is working on or has worked on currently. So unless you have access to highly classified information stop making assumptions.
Iran needed an modern cockpit to train their new generation of fighters Koswar-1 (F-5 modernized) and Kowsar will do that. Iran’s Air Force pilots are aging! Iran needs fresh blood in order to fly the super fancy planes you want them to make or buy. Those pilots need to be trained with modern avionics unless you expect your super duper 6th gen airplane to have analog dials of a 1970’s aircraft!
Furthermore, Iran has already stated they are nearing production of an engine that has 4 times the power of J-85. That would mean an engine in the >50nt class. Again they wouldn’t be doing that IF THEY didn’t plan on making a bigger fighter.
Iran also announced they are building a heavy turbofan and turbojet engine for a heavy fighter. Again they wouldn’t do that if they weren’t planning on another fighter design outside of F-5.
You are right in that It’s quite clear Iran’s focus was not airforce in the last 20 years.
1) First priority was achieving credible military deterrence against enemies through ballistic missile production and cruise missiles. That took nearly 30 years to accomplish.
2) 2nd priority was upgrading and establishing a significant air defense network to protect the country. Also to cause further pain for any adversary that would want to attack it. That was accomplished and took nearly 20 years to accomplish (in some ways still ongoing with a Bavar 373 project not yet ready).
3) Iran’s 3rd priority will be to revive the airforce based on recent news in the last 5 years to upgrade the airforce. This more concentrated effort started back in 2007-2010 possibly.
So assuming another 20 year timetable, that would mean Iran has till 2030 to present its efforts in this area.
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Just after Iran got a new Defense minister our new defense minister went on TV and announced that Iran had just started the "design phase" (on Paper) of a larger more capable Iranian fighter jet!!!!!!!!!! So it is not a state secret BUT it is something Iran's Air Force should have worked on for the past decade!
1st off Fighter Project IS NOT the priority today nor does it need to be a priority for Iran to conduct RD project and build working prototypes and to start building the tools needed for the production of a more capable fighter in the future!
2ndly As long as U.S. keeps on threatening us the ONLY priority Iran needs to have is 1.Mass production of precision guided Solid Fuel BM 2.Bulding Larger Diameter Liquid Fuel BM equipped with MIRV 3.Mass production of cruise Missile in high number from max ranges between 50-2000km 4.Mass production of various types of UAV's & UCAVs with secure com's & or increased automation 5.mass production of various SAM systems 6.Space Program & development of land based positioning systems 7.Production of a larger more capable Iranian Sub's....
And there would be a whole list of other project that come before the production of an Iranian fighter! But that doesn't change the fact that a fighter project doesn't need to be top priority for Iran's Defense industry for Iran's Air Force to work on the right fighter project for R&D which should have been top priority for the Air Force Airframe R&D in the past decade. The Human resources you'd be wasting towards designing and building a new CAS fighter would be the same human resources in the R&D project you would need towards a larger more capable fighter!
Just after Iran got a new Defense minister our new defense minister went on TV and announced that Iran had just started the "design phase" (on Paper) of a larger more capable Iranian fighter jet!!!!!!!!!! So it is not a state secret BUT it is something Iran's Air Force should have worked on for the past decade!
And the only Fighter engines Iran has been working on are attempts to reverse engineer the J-79 & RD-33 and license production of or co-production of the AL-222
And NONE of them are secrete projects.
But NONE of these explains why Iran's Airforce wasn't working on a larger more capable twin engine twin seat fighter in the past decade and why they don't have a working prototype using current engines by now nor does it explain Iran's obsession with CAS fighters in a country the size of Iran!
FYI By 2025 the Russians plan on starting serial production of a replacement for the MiG-31 that will be a high altitude Mach 4 6th gen fighter equipped with lasers which will make most SAM missiles & Air to Air Missiles useless against them and more expensive high altitude, high speed SAM that could reach them would have to be deployed in large numbers to overwhelm the lasers on these fighters
So by 2038 (20 years from now) the type of platform Iran needs to be taking into production would be something similar to what the Russians plan on producing in the next 7 years or else there would be no point producing them at all!
Which means Iranian Air Force generals have their heads stuck in the sand because if they didn't Iran would have been testing larger working prototypes and I'm NOT talking about Production models that require large investments on the part of the Iranian government! I'm talking about the Air Force using it's own personal, tools and facilities towards building airframes using cheaper materials used in prototypes and engines they already have in stock and conducting R&D in building newer and larger diameter engines for a future fighter to be produced 20 years from now and building massive vacuum chambers that would be a necessity for fighter production in the future
Probably one of the old mig23s from iraq.I do not know . It's similar to the F-4, but it can not be the j7 because of the radar and the nose of the fighters.
You fail to follow the trail of bread crumbs.
Nobody knew Iran was capable of building a nuclear program so vast in 2003.
Nobody knew that from 1998 Shahab 3 No dong variant that in less than a decade an 100% iranian design solid fuel Sejill missile would be developed.
Iran has shown you Sofreh Mahi manned fighter design (and a unmanned bomber design), which if you compare to US Skunkworks 6th gen fighter concept they are very similar in design.
Iran has announced a heavy fighter project. There are rumors of at least 2 other fighter projects in the past decade.
The efforts you currently see and ridicule are made to keep Iran’s current fleet of fighters viable till at least 2030.
Even iran knows that come 2030-2035, even the F-14’s will become too cumbersome to maintain, so the finish line is somewhere around there.
If you search the news, in the last 5 years you will see Iranian attempt to get their hands on F-35 engine blueprints.
You have to ask yourself, WHY?
If Iran is as backwards, stupid, naive, antiquated as you say...what would they want with the blueprints of an F-35 engine?
That would be like giving a Ferrari engine to an 18th century farmer.
So obviously Iran has a desire for that engine, for something.
The issue you fail to grasp is that Iran news is a controlled state. Iran is a vast country physically. Iran could easily test prototypes and no soul would know.
Certainly US intelligence and foreign intelligence are not diverting resources focusing on what fighters Iran is developing. Even if they found anything it would never make it to the press, as it doesn’t serve their propaganda war machine.
You just need to wait to see what Iran’s plans are in this area.
The easiest example to show you is Iran’s Air defense progression.
Circa 2000, Iran had THE WEAKEST AIR DEFENSE in the Middle East. Syria and Libya both had stronger air defenses.
Iran’s Air defense systems much like their airforce was full of 1960-1970’s Shah era systems.
There was no unified air defense network. Radar points were abysmal and blind spots were everywhere.
Iran made its first major air defense purchase in ~2005 when it bought the TOR-M1’s from Russia.
Little did most people know that was a stop gap measure. Iran had significant air defense systems in development (Talash, 3rd Khordad, etc) except they wouldn’t be ready for another 7-10 years.
Iran needed a stop gap in case war broke out over the nuclear program before then.
My point is, Iran fields some of the most advanced radars, air defense missile systems, etc. One of the few countries to have very long range EW radars and OTH radars.
Yet less than 15 years ago, Iran had the air defense system of a historical military museum collector.
Do you have a link for this? This current DM confirmed the design of a heavy fighter?
Those aircraft are prepared for avio-transport or transported to that airfield recently,they have removed half wing to require less space...I would say it is J-7 since I reckognize tail and wings have delta shape ..because aircrafts have removed half a wing looks strange and misproportionalI do not know . It's similar to the F-4, but it can not be the j7 because of the radar and the nose of the fighters.
Here is one of the interviews when he 1st took office & I also believe there is another one which I can't findDo you have a link for this? This current DM confirmed the design of a heavy fighter?
Here is one of the interviews when he 1st took office & I also believe there is another one which I can't find
If you understand Farsi you can go 16:50m into the video if not a close enough translation would be :
Hatami: Airpower is one of the area's we need to put considerable effort towards, practically in terms of a Heavy Fighter jet it is an area we need to put more effort towards developing, which I have put forth and planed for...
Journalist: Have we worked on such a project before that we can further expand upon? Or is it a completely new project we plan to start
Hatami: We have started preliminary "research" on the project, The fact that we need to increase our Air Power and turn it on strategic force is clear to us....
Preliminary research is basically doing cost/benefit annalists on the platforms powerplant requirements, platforms payload requirements, weight & size requirements, range requirements, speed requirements, avionic & sensor requirements, RCS requirements, tools and raw material requirements for the production of the Airframe and various parts,.....
Which means if the Airforce had done it's job properly in the past decade they would already had two working prototypes to choose from using engines they already have in stock with detailed designs for a serial production model of the Airframe, they would have already built at least one large vacuumed chamber equipped with an oven and big enough to fit an F-14 in, they would have already built at least one massive vacuumed oven presses needed for building large bulkheads..... Iran's Airforce using it's own personal should have conducted R&D in metallurgy and composites using it's own personal....
Which means if the Airforce had done it's job properly in the past decade they would already had two working prototypes to choose from using engines they already have in stock with detailed designs for a serial production model of the Airframe, they would have already built at least one large vacuumed chamber equipped with an oven and big enough to fit an F-14 in, they would have already built at least one massive vacuumed oven presses needed for building large bulkheads..... Iran's Airforce using it's own personal should have conducted R&D in metallurgy and composites using it's own personal....
Oh I am sorry Vevak, I personally forgot you visited each Iranian military installation and verified Iran has no oven.
Good thing we have you on this board and your wealth of classified knowledge.
You can’t build a heavy fighter and stick a damn J-79 in it or an Rd-33 or a J-85.
So for Iran to build a heavy fighter they would need an engine with >80nt dry >100 nt afterburner which leaves just TWO possible engines that Iran has access too F-14 engine and possibly SU-24 engine the AL-21.
Iran needs something in the AL-31 class to be able to build a heavy fighter side (SU-35, F-14, F-22).
I assume Iran spent its earlier years trying to reverse engineer a less complex engine like J-85 before moving to J-79 and higher.
There is only A FEW countries in the world that can build their own heavy jet engines. China is still years behind Russia and US and they have a lot more experience and resources in this field than Iran will ever have.
So the best platform for Iran is a large Delta Wing design about the size of the Mirage IV (In terms of length) equipped with an internal weapons bay & capable of delivering up to 16x 1000lb bombs at least 1000km away without refueling.... Allowing a modified interceptor version to carry a good number of Fakour missiles.....