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Nearly one thousand sunnis will be involved the salahiddin offensive. many more from inside the cities are providing the PMF with Intel.
No all of them are on the front lines, some will help the security forces identify the IS supporters and their homes.
actually sunni fighters are flocking in the hundreds, some were always against IS. others have decided to join rather than sit aside and see their areas turn into ruins. They fight and help identify IS members and houses, in return they get to mark their houses and property to save them from confiscation/ destruction/ burning/ looting.
At least 1000 sunni fighters are involved in the salahiddin offensive either through fighting on the front lines or through infiltrating IS areas.
As for Shias hating all sunnis. Maybe you see it that way because that's the way you think of ALL Shias.
Nawasib kuffar? Shias are much more strict when it comes to calling oTher muslims "kuffar". As for IS supporters, I know for a FACT that their are kuffar. They could read as much Quran as they want, they are no different than the karijites.
The Shias are fighting and getting killed protecting sunni towns from IS. maybe you should check out what the people of the shia town of Balad did for the Sunni town of dhuluiya. For months they were sending money, food and medicine through boats. They were evacuating the sick and injured and continued to help them although Balad itself was under threat of mortars.
Maybe you should go read the names of the Martyra who died in the front lines protecting the families of Haditha.
But again hate has taken over your heart, I don't expect much from your like.
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Hundreds of Fayli Kurds in Diyala have joined the PMF forces, preferring it over peshmerga command.
Each time you speak you always assume that I or most other Shias are "secular". First of all you know nothing about me so don't be assuming. Second of all there are major differences when it comes to authority.
I am a practicing Muslim, I pray, fast, pay zakat and go to the mosque occasionally. I know know more about religion than you probably do. My family is pretty conservative, they all wear headscarfs and keep with Islamic values.
But when it comes to killing, and forcefully implement your own "sharia" than we have nothing in common. There is nothing in faith that says hijab or niqab must be forced upon the people. I belive it is wajib but that does not put me in a position to force it against others, whether muslims or non-muslims. Maybe advice muslims but there is no authority against non-muslims since they don't believe in hijab. Same thing with alcohol.
As for "idol". According to sharia any statue in MUSLIM land which is WORSHIPPED other than Allah is not allowed. Now can you tell me of any idol worshippers in muslim terriroty? Even yazidis and Zoroastrians believe in a one divine God, they don't prostrated to any idol. These statues are historic monuments which identify with the history and culture of the country. Whether it be a statue or board, just because it has a head and shape of a living creature that doesn't mean it could or should be destroyed.
Second of all our faith orders us to explore the earth and understand it, not destroy everything like retards.
No all of them are on the front lines, some will help the security forces identify the IS supporters and their homes.
actually sunni fighters are flocking in the hundreds, some were always against IS. others have decided to join rather than sit aside and see their areas turn into ruins. They fight and help identify IS members and houses, in return they get to mark their houses and property to save them from confiscation/ destruction/ burning/ looting.
At least 1000 sunni fighters are involved in the salahiddin offensive either through fighting on the front lines or through infiltrating IS areas.
As for Shias hating all sunnis. Maybe you see it that way because that's the way you think of ALL Shias.
Nawasib kuffar? Shias are much more strict when it comes to calling oTher muslims "kuffar". As for IS supporters, I know for a FACT that their are kuffar. They could read as much Quran as they want, they are no different than the karijites.
The Shias are fighting and getting killed protecting sunni towns from IS. maybe you should check out what the people of the shia town of Balad did for the Sunni town of dhuluiya. For months they were sending money, food and medicine through boats. They were evacuating the sick and injured and continued to help them although Balad itself was under threat of mortars.
Maybe you should go read the names of the Martyra who died in the front lines protecting the families of Haditha.
But again hate has taken over your heart, I don't expect much from your like.
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Hundreds of Fayli Kurds in Diyala have joined the PMF forces, preferring it over peshmerga command.
Each time you speak you always assume that I or most other Shias are "secular". First of all you know nothing about me so don't be assuming. Second of all there are major differences when it comes to authority.
I am a practicing Muslim, I pray, fast, pay zakat and go to the mosque occasionally. I know know more about religion than you probably do. My family is pretty conservative, they all wear headscarfs and keep with Islamic values.
But when it comes to killing, and forcefully implement your own "sharia" than we have nothing in common. There is nothing in faith that says hijab or niqab must be forced upon the people. I belive it is wajib but that does not put me in a position to force it against others, whether muslims or non-muslims. Maybe advice muslims but there is no authority against non-muslims since they don't believe in hijab. Same thing with alcohol.
As for "idol". According to sharia any statue in MUSLIM land which is WORSHIPPED other than Allah is not allowed. Now can you tell me of any idol worshippers in muslim terriroty? Even yazidis and Zoroastrians believe in a one divine God, they don't prostrated to any idol. These statues are historic monuments which identify with the history and culture of the country. Whether it be a statue or board, just because it has a head and shape of a living creature that doesn't mean it could or should be destroyed.
Second of all our faith orders us to explore the earth and understand it, not destroy everything like retards.
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"They fight and help identify IS members and houses, in return they get to mark their houses and property to save them from confiscation/ destruction/ burning/ looting." Thank you for this.
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Your welcome. And I'll add to that, the tribes of albu ajeel and albu Nasser Are done in Iraq, they will never live to see their homes again, EVER.
Do you really this will go unavenged?
Let's not forget the tens of thousands of sunnis who fled IS, and the nearly 3,000 sunnis which were killed by IS. Hell the PMF doesn't need to do anything. The sunnis who lost dozens of relatives are more than happy to commit genocide against the IS population.
The Tikrit air acadamy members were 1700, at least one from every iraqi tribe in southern and central Iraq. The areas involved have purchased a one way pass to hell, that is both earths hell and Gods hell awaits them as well.
Do you really this will go unavenged?
Let's not forget the tens of thousands of sunnis who fled IS, and the nearly 3,000 sunnis which were killed by IS. Hell the PMF doesn't need to do anything. The sunnis who lost dozens of relatives are more than happy to commit genocide against the IS population.
The Tikrit air acadamy members were 1700, at least one from every iraqi tribe in southern and central Iraq. The areas involved have purchased a one way pass to hell, that is both earths hell and Gods hell awaits them as well.
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With state of Arab world, only way in forming caliphate is through force. Yes I agree Niqab should be encouraged and not forced. Going to mosque is something most of us do. Same with Zakaat. You can be religious and still be afraid of truth. Whether Sunni or Shia. What ISIS does with violence is partially intimidation which is their political tool and political tool by many other entities and states. Terror is regularly used whether shock and awe bombing campaign or executions. Without needing to support ISIS. You admit in your post that Khilifaah is necessary but not brought the way they try bringing it. Now please give me alternative. And please give us alternative to corrupt leadership's which stealing billions of state money and working against our interests. Reality is this is worse situation Muslim world ever been in, some of you think not because we have lowered our standards. And it's required that somebody amongst us changes this if not all of us. Now I don't know what you envision, but I'm guessing it's secular POV. Obviously all Prophets and Sahabas visions are clear. Even those your sect highly emphasize. A lot of you stand against much things they stood for and struggled to achieve.
I'm going to take your word that you're knowledeble on our religion. You sound confused, as most Muslims today are. Over time you'll realize things clear up for you.
With state of Arab world, only way in forming caliphate is through force. Yes I agree Niqab should be encouraged and not forced. Going to mosque is something most of us do. Same with Zakaat. You can be religious and still be afraid of truth. Whether Sunni or Shia. What ISIS does with violence is partially intimidation which is their political tool and political tool by many other entities and states. Terror is regularly used whether shock and awe bombing campaign or executions. Without needing to support ISIS. You admit in your post that Khilifaah is necessary but not brought the way they try bringing it. Now please give me alternative. And please give us alternative to corrupt leadership's which stealing billions of state money and working against our interests. Reality is this is worse situation Muslim world ever been in, some of you think not because we have lowered our standards. And it's required that somebody amongst us changes this if not all of us. Now I don't know what you envision, but I'm guessing it's secular POV. Obviously all Prophets and Sahabas visions are clear. Even those your sect highly emphasize. A lot of you stand against much things they stood for and struggled to achieve.
I'm going to take your word that you're knowledeble on our religion. You sound confused, as most Muslims today are. Over time you'll realize things clear up for you.
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No offense but if anything, it is you who sounds confused. One sentence you say Niqab shouldn't be forced, another sentence you say and that caliphate should be made through force. Well I don't believe that the Niqab is mandatory in Islam to begin with.
Second who do you want to start this caliphate, Turkey, Qatar, MB, IS? I don't believe in the authority any if the political caliphates in history. I don't see them as divine or legitimate, that includes the ummayids, Abbasids, ottomans... They were just people who got to rule, nothing more. They ruled over Muslims land, that doesn't make them divine in any way. Some were bad, some were worse.
Islam has a message. We Muslims Believe that over thousands of years there were divinely guided messengers who called for Allah, they promised of messengers after them until the time came for our prophet Mohammed(s). Our prophet in turn has promised of the mahdi, just as the previous prophets promised for their successors. We believe that only he will bring justice to this world. However our version is a bit off than the Sunni version. We believe the mahdi will come to reunite the Muslims and spread peace. He will be tolerant of other religions and will ally with non-Muslims in instances. He won't be here to kill all the Kuffar, rather to show them the true religion.
هُوَ الَّذِي أَرْسَلَ رَسُولَهُ بِالْهُدَى وَدِينِ الْحَقِّ لِيُظْهِرَهُ عَلَى الدِّينِ كُلِّهِ وَلَوْ كَرِهَ الْمُشْرِكُونََ.
He will return the glory and pride to this nation after it humility, just as the prophet united the tribes of Arabia brought pride at a time which they were the most disgusting civilizations. Sayida Fatima describes to precicly.
كُنْتُمْ عَلى شَفا حُفْرَةٍ مِنَ النّارِ، مُذْقَةَ الشّارِبِ، وَنُهْزَةَ الطّامِعِ، وَقُبْسَةَ الْعَجْلانِ، وَمَوْطِئَ الأقْدامِ، تَشْرَبُونَ الطّرْقَ، وَتَقْتاتُونَ الْوَرَقَ، أذِلَّةً خاسِئِينَ، {تَخافُونَ أنْ يَتَخَطَّفَكُمُ النَّاسُ مِنْ حَوْلِكُمْ}.
فَأنْقَذَكُمُ اللهُ تَبارَكَ وَتَعالى بِمُحَمَّدٍ صَلى الله عليه وآله بَعْدَ اللّتَيّا وَالَّتِي، وَبَعْدَ أنْ مُنِيَ بِبُهَمِ الرِّجالِ وَذُؤْبانِ الْعَرَبِ وَمَرَدَةِ أهْلِ الْكِتابِ، {كُلَّما أوْقَدُوا ناراً لِلْحَرْبِ أطْفَأها اللهُ}، أوْنَجَمَ قَرْنٌ لِلْشَّيْطانِ، وَفَغَرَتْ فَاغِرَةٌ مِنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ قَذَفَ أخاهُ في
As for the Sahaba. We see them as normal people, they are not divine, some of them were good, some bad, and some have change from bad to good and vice versa. We give ourself the Ability to be critical rather than take them as people set on stone. The only things which we see sacred are the Allah, the quran, the prophet, the imams of ahl ul bayt. Everything else is questionalbl. I personally go to the mosque and in some instances don't agree with the sermon of the local shiek. But regardless I am thankful for his effort, at the end he is only a human and is not perfect.
I take my religous issues from my marji3, I know that he too is not perfect neither, but he has studied long enough to make him more knowledgable of religion than I am. And until Allah decides for the Mahdis times, I keep my relgion to myself and take what I need to pass through the next world. I know that I'm not perfect. And if Allah wanted all of us to be perfect than no one is ever going to heaven. In fact there is nothing in my faith that suggest all non-Muslims go to hell, I believe that is a bidaa. There are many good people who are ill-informed or simply don't know the message of Islam, that doesn't mean they all go to hell.
IS is a big calamity which has Come upon this nation. They are trying to bring judgment day down to earth, they decide who lives and who dies, they decide whose muslim and who's Kaffer, they are Kharijites. Don't let their prayer, quran reading or tongues fool you, for the Kharijites were known as the "hafadhat alquran" and they had the foreheads marked from prayer, yet that didn't save them from misguidence.
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AAH convoy arriving to samara from Basrah.
Another AAH convoy heading to Sallahiddin province
Kata'ib Hezbollah convoy heading to Sallahiddin after finishing the job in of Diyala.
Saraya ashuraa convoy heading to Sallahiddin.
Another AAH convoy heading to Sallahiddin province
Kata'ib Hezbollah convoy heading to Sallahiddin after finishing the job in of Diyala.
Saraya ashuraa convoy heading to Sallahiddin.
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No I aren't confused, you don't know how to read well. Niqab was considered mandatory and Quran mentions that but it was done through encouragement. What you personally believe doesn't matter, our religion is not for you to reform. Go become Christian of you want to cherry pick or reform religion.
Your hadiths don't say that at. Secondly, I'm not hear to listen to about your sect, I already read about it on my own. To me and many Islamic scholars it is misguided sect which has obsession over calling certain humans divine and stating that Sunnis worship sahaba and other nonsense like that. I'm not even sure you understand term divine. Or what's divine. Refuting your beliefs is done intensively and well studied and presented many times. Nobody here needs to refute them. You have abundance of sources to seek debates on these issues that concern you. I am not here to have debate.
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If you have the patience to deal with him go ahead, lol.
No I aren't confused, you don't know how to read well. Niqab was considered mandatory and Quran mentions that but it was done through encouragement. What you personally believe doesn't matter, our religion is not for you to reform. Go become Christian of you want to cherry pick or reform religion.
Your hadiths don't say that at. Secondly, I'm not hear to listen to about your sect, I already read about it on my own. To me and many Islamic scholars it is misguided sect which has obsession over calling certain humans divine and stating that Sunnis worship sahaba and other nonsense like that. I'm not even sure you understand term divine. Or what's divine. Refuting your beliefs is done intensively and well studied and presented many times. Nobody here needs to refute them. You have abundance of sources to seek debates on these issues that concern you. I am not here to have debate.
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If you have the patience to deal with him go ahead, lol.
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PMF promo videos.
PMF preparing for Sallahiddin offensive.
From archive, the liberation of Diyala, battle of Udhaim. PMF forces.
You brought up the issue. And no Niqab (face cover) isn't mandatory.
(وَلا يُبْدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ إِلاَّ مَا ظَهَرَ مِنْهَا)
This is the aya which mandate hijab. It's doesn't say anything about covering the entire face.
Locals from Tikrit prepare to battle IS
Imam Ali brigades.
PMF preparing for Sallahiddin offensive.
From archive, the liberation of Diyala, battle of Udhaim. PMF forces.
You brought up the issue. And no Niqab (face cover) isn't mandatory.
(وَلا يُبْدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ إِلاَّ مَا ظَهَرَ مِنْهَا)
This is the aya which mandate hijab. It's doesn't say anything about covering the entire face.
Locals from Tikrit prepare to battle IS
Imam Ali brigades.
That's good, they have to choose a side as the objective here is to win the war, fifth columnists and sleeper cells won't be accepted anymore as previously which led to this crisis all under the BS of 'inclusiveness'. Conscription isn't much different, refuse conscription enter jail.
@Alshawi1234 don't expect logical comments from Mosamania on this topic. He told me before that he views the Shia groups are bloodthirsty with the mission of attacking Saudis. That's his sole interest here as a foreigner, he doesn't care about Iraqi Sunnis. He like many Arabs uses the existence of Sunnis for his own benefit. He wants to feel a tiny bit safer in his bed therefor the entire north can burn as far as he cares as long as groups like AAH remain with the terrorist tag. Sunnis are joining AAH as well but he can't accept that. People living in Iraq have different priorities.
The only reason I mention him in this thread is to show him the actual news, he won't admit but he will gain an insight.
Why don't you answer it instead of inviting vermin. Palesinians/Jordanians (same thing) hate Shias more than any other group either way, there's no point in arguing with any of them when it comes to Shiism, Saddam fed you guys too much candy on other people's behalf.
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lool what? You're kidding right? U think they really give a single fvck about their "blood brothers" ? LMAO.
Where were they when amerli was on the verge of a massacre? Lol
Every one uses a tool for their agenda mate and for turks its their blood line. This way citizens are kept at dark easily.
Sectarian as always
Indeed they all use people for their own agenda but i'm pointing it out here, unfortunately though people on PDF are emotional as hell. Everyone burns his ***.
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ali rady allah anhu didnt have patience with them and burned them alive! im not better than sayedna ali lol
what is he saying ? please brief me i dont have to time to read his BS
and FYI shia dont have hadith. they need our hadith or otherwise all their hadiths are fabricated.
muslim scholars for years have been asking the shia for one saheeh hadith with all narrators names. just one. until this day i didnt find one. the challenge is still on TV channels and they got a whole program just for shia hadith. phone calls are open. but no major shia scholar dares to call. mainly the callers are shia students. cuz they are young and excited about their religion and what they are studying in unis or hawzat. and thats good cuz that means that young shia student are using their brains and trying to debate. yes they fail to bring one hadith but that will open up their minds and that will leave them asking themselves many questions and thats the goal of the tv program.
where did you go yesterday ? i told you. you dont look interested in knowing or understanding.
all what you said is an excuse for you to feel comfortable with the fabricated religion you believe in. its not a salad plate. and being lazy isnt an excuse infront of Allah on the day of judgment. especially if you are spending many hours marketing your fabricated religion and ideas on the internet. tell me who is your imam or marje. ?
lets not debate on small issues i want to debate you on the basics of islam. on the most important pillar of islam which is tawheed. if your tawheed is wrong nothing else matters
dont talk about small issues. come lets debate what shia says about the quran. and how its fabricated ? what it says about tawheed and they make companions with Allah. lets talk about their books and fatwa and fabricated stories. lets talk about the prophets companions who spread islam with the prophet. if the majority of his companions are kuffar then how do we have islam today ? everything we know about islam is from the quran and the rest is from hadith. without the companions who told us those hadith how are your praying today ?!
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Imam Ali didn't burn anyone alive. Some sources say that Ali burned people who insisted that Ali himself was god, but that has been refuted and proven wrong, no such thing happened nor did such people exist during imam Ali's time. Besides that doesn't even sound logical.
As for the Hadith. We use sunni Hadith for a few reasons. We have our own books and sources, but we never claim to have a 100% sahih book as you do. The only such book we have is the Quran. Using sunni hadith stand as evidence against you since it's in your own books. Shias were always targeted and many of the shia books were lost throughout history because of the war waged against them.
As for a sahih Hadith, that challenge is a joke on you. The fact that you make a "challenge" is ridiculous. Your hate is quite evident and in pretty sure it won't go away with fulfilling that "challenge". I posted it and it was removed. But if you want than search for "حديث السلسة الذهبية".
Lol I could tell you watched too much wesal. There are both sunni and shia sources which say the Quran isn't complete, why do you take the shia side and ignore the sunni sources? Besides these sources are weak and not taken into consideration by either side. Don't be throwing rocks when your house is glass.
As for the Sahaba, they aren't perfect. We don't say anything against them other than what sunni historians mention.
Some of these Sahaba are an example for IS.
As for the Hadith. We use sunni Hadith for a few reasons. We have our own books and sources, but we never claim to have a 100% sahih book as you do. The only such book we have is the Quran. Using sunni hadith stand as evidence against you since it's in your own books. Shias were always targeted and many of the shia books were lost throughout history because of the war waged against them.
As for a sahih Hadith, that challenge is a joke on you. The fact that you make a "challenge" is ridiculous. Your hate is quite evident and in pretty sure it won't go away with fulfilling that "challenge". I posted it and it was removed. But if you want than search for "حديث السلسة الذهبية".
Lol I could tell you watched too much wesal. There are both sunni and shia sources which say the Quran isn't complete, why do you take the shia side and ignore the sunni sources? Besides these sources are weak and not taken into consideration by either side. Don't be throwing rocks when your house is glass.
As for the Sahaba, they aren't perfect. We don't say anything against them other than what sunni historians mention.
Some of these Sahaba are an example for IS.
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