Iraq shia millitia atrocities on sunni

[Abu Zolfiqar]

both sides have been wrong - but nothing treads even close to the crimes against humanity committed by ISIS or AQAP and its affiliates in the region

a bloody history coupled by the irresponsible action of certain regional countries with their vested interests has led Iraq back on a track of near daily car bomb attacks, sectarian violence......God give Iraqis the strength to unite and end this MADNESS, this fitna

 

[al-Hasani]

@1000

I am telling you this in November 2014. When ISIS gets defeated or seriously weakened (they will) the same anti-ISIS Sunnis that do most of the dirty work now (and did back in 2006-2007) will turn against the Shia terrorist groups if they somehow get a desire to stay in Sunni majority areas. It's inevitable and understandable. Only the day the Shia terrorist and Sunni terrorists will be treated equally and condemned equally you will see a downfall of terror in Iraq.

 

[1000]

@1000 Alanbar started as a movement, later joined the ISIS. Not all of them but a small minority. Dude, I will ally with the devil against my enemies. Just put yourself in their shoes.

Second, You guys can kill each other for all I care, you have been that way since millennium. I have told you that before right? Keep it that way. What we as the GCC countries don't like to see is a change to the better in the current miserable statue quo that you and your neighbor are in as we speak.

Fuad Masum was in KSA seeking help against ISIS. They should have gone somewhere else for help. Mybe barrow the super duper stealth Qaher 313 and bomb ISIS.

How did Anbar join ISIS, those tribes aren't even united one is with ISIS the other is with gov, now both are getting slaughtered by ISIS waking them up..

Have you read your history to say we are killing each other, ISIS is the one killing which is largely made out of foreign Arabs, the killings done by mostly foreigners happen because of the several wars which caused instability giving room to a group such as ISIS, infact it's not even a Shia-Sunni war, you can call it Sunni-Salafi or khawarij whatever your view is of ISIS.

You think I don't know you're obsessed with Iran and Shi'a ? no new information.

 

[1000]

@1000

I am telling you this in November 2014. When ISIS gets defeated or seriously weakened (they will) the same anti-ISIS Sunnis that do most of the dirty work now (and did back in 2006 during the "surge") will turn against the Shia terrorist groups if they somehow get a desire to stay in Sunni majority areas. It's inevitable and understandable. Only the day the Shia terrorist and Sunni terrorists will be treated equally and condemned equally you will see a downfall of terror in Iraq.

Let them turn against them, none of my concern as I don't even like them, the more important for both of them is ISIS which is far from being defeated, the US seeks to expand this plan to the Syrian ISIS side of towns of the Euphrates, they will be able to influence the Arabs just over the border in Syria if they have the people of Anbar against ISIS as both are related, but this will take time if they succeed.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

@1000

I am telling you this in November 2014. When ISIS gets defeated or seriously weakened (they will) the same anti-ISIS Sunnis that do most of the dirty work now (and did back in 2006 during the "surge") will turn against the Shia terrorist groups if they somehow get a desire to stay in Sunni majority areas. It's inevitable and understandable. Only the day the Shia terrorist and Sunni terrorists will be treated equally and condemned equally you will see a downfall of terror in Iraq.

the re-awakening councils (حركة الصحوة السنية) had no sectarian agenda and were willing to join mainstream politics...it was a foolish government coupled by proxy games and America/Wests IDIOTIC plan in Syria that helped with the creation of ISIS

countries like Qatar have not been very helpful either, in solving the problems

 

[al-Hasani]

^^ Already said he will be dealt with once the possibility comes, Wathiq al battat was arrested as well. This is a bigger dog, arresting him creates many Army-Shia militia clashes which makes ISIS happy, can Iraq afford that ? No.

Perhaps you want to help Iraqi gov against ISIS, then it might be possible, otherwise don't expect the impossible from a weak army facing an already hardened mass suicide bombing enemy

@al-Hasani you know that I am not sectarian so take my info without any religious opinion, take current army capabilities into count then you will understand there's no possibility of agressive move towards ISIS fighting militias, even the US is not asking Iraq to do that as of now, they will however afterwards but they act rational not emotional.

I doubt that. Besides it's not about individuals. You think that ISIS will disappear once Al-Baghdadi gets killed? They won't. A new leader will arrive. Same with all of those Shia terrorist militias. The day that they will be treated even remotely equally as the Naqshbandi militia are treated I will believe you.

Moreover you forgot that Iraq is ruled by Iraqi Shia Islamists despite Al-Maliki being removed. Those Shia Islamist parties in some cases are more loyal to Mullahstan than Iraq itself. Moreover those parties also have armed wings. Lastly what is their interest in disbanding those militias when you got a hostile neighborhood? Zero motivation and reason to do so. Especially as they have proven effective.

I have not seen actions on the ground that confirm this and now most Shia Iraqi Arabs are of the belief that those Shia militias are freedom fighters and not actual terrorists as the majority of them are.

They are as brainwashed religiously as most other terrorist groups.

The Iraqi media (state controlled during the Al-Maliki rule and still is) has also been anti everyone other than Mullahstan.

ISIS is one big problem for Iraq but if anyone has any illusions about that being the only problem they are really, really mistaken.

 

[1000]

I doubt that. Besides it's not about individuals. You think that ISIS will disappear once Al-Baghdadi gets killed. They won't. A new leader will arrive. Same with all of those Shia terrorist militias. The day that they will be treated even remotely equally as the Naqshbandi militia are treated I will believe you.

Moreover you forgot that Iraq is ruled by Iraqi Shia Islamists despite Al-Maliki being removed. Those Shia Islamist parties in some cases are more loyal to Mullahstan than Iraq itself. Moreover those parties also have armed wings. Lastly what is their interest in disbanding those militias when you got a hostile neighborhood? Zero motivation and reason to do so. Especially as they have proven effective.

I have not seen actions on the ground that confirm this and now most Shia Iraqi Arabs are of the belief that those Shia militias are freedom fighters and not actual terrorists as the majority of them are.

They are as brainwashed religiously as most other terrorist groups.

The Iraqi media (state controlled during the Al-Maliki rule and still is) has also been anti everyone other than Mullahstan.

The difference between ISIS and Shi'a militias is that the latter has different objectives, the latter melted away before as we saw in 2008 when the US and IA fought them in Basra, they simply dropped their weapons and went back to civillian life.

see here
Battle of Basra (2008) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So they will, they have no problem doing so, they did before,

 

[al-Hasani]

Let them turn against them, none of my concern as I don't even like them, the more important for both of them is ISIS which is far from being defeated, the US seeks to expand this plan to the Syrian ISIS side of towns of the Euphrates, they will be able to influence the Arabs just over the border in Syria if they have the people of Anbar against ISIS as both are related, but this will take time if they succeed.

Let's look past ISIS for once. The Shia militias are doing very little on the ground anyway and are in many ways untrained. It's the local anti-ISIS people that are doing most of the work and of course the coalition. Without them ISIS would not have retreated at all.

And then you have ISOF.

I rank them this way;

1) International coalition bombing ISIS heavily in both Syria and Iraq

2) Locals (anti-ISIS)

3) ISOF

4) Shia militias

5) Remaining Iraqi army

 

[al-Hasani]

The difference between ISIS and Shi'a militias is that the latter has different objectives, the latter melted away before as we saw in 2008 when the US and IA fought them in Basra, they simply dropped their weapons and went back to civillian life.

see here
Battle of Basra (2008) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So they will, they have no problem doing so, they did before,

You did not counter what I wrote. Iraq is ruled by Shia ISLAMISTS. They (the Iraqi government) keep their hand over many of those Shia militias - many of them are even more loyal to Mullahstan than their own country Iraq. Moreover most of those political parties have armed wings.

Hence why people like Abu Deraa and dozens of others have never been punished and are roaming around freely and even are meeting with Iraqi officers and soldiers and government officials….

The Mahdi army has nothing to fight for other than against ISIS. The Americans have left and Shia Islamists are ruling. So of course you won't see them trying to change status quo. They are the ones in power after all!

In such a state as Iraq has been in since 2005 or so it is no wonder that most Iraqi Sunni Arabs do not trust the government and that a few of those join ISIS or are easily lured into their hands.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

despite their flaws, they arent going around beheading people, raiding homes and forcing 14 year old girls to marry, attacking minorities such as the Christians, etc.

Iraq has always been factionalized off and on for much of the past few centuries but an Iraq without ISIS cancer is a much better and stronger Iraq.....its a good time for them to unite.

all these "Sunni" "Shiia" labels are just designer labels....these labels are as worthy as toilet paper. Do away with them, theyre useless.

 

[al-Hasani]

despite their flaws, they arent going around beheading people, raiding homes and forcing 14 year old girls to marry, attacking minorities such as the Christians, etc.

Iraq has always been factionalized off and on for much of the past few centuries but an Iraq without ISIS cancer is a much better and stronger Iraq.....its a good time for them to unite.

all these "Sunni" "Shiia" labels are just designer labels....these labels are as worthy as toilet paper. Do away with them, theyre useless.

They have been torturing people to death, burning people alive, massacring whole families (women, children, elders), forcing people out their homes, burning whole villages down, forcefully removing Sunni Arabs from the South (Basra etc.). So yes, they are not much different from ISIS at the end of the day. Fact of the matter is that all of them are terrorist groups and that both of them should be shunned and punished which they are not and have not been even before ISIS gained foothold in Iraq as we see it today.

All this is widely documented. You even have had Westerners (notoriously anti-Sunni historically as they always feared Sunnis) making documentaries about that.

It's "illegal" to link to graphic material directly on PDF nowadays but search on "The Death Squads" on Youtube and you will find a 45 minute long documentary about what I tell you.

See the situation in 2009, 2010, 2011, half of 2012. None persecuted those Shia terrorist militias from official hand during that period. Back then 99% of all PDF users did not know what ISIS was or the Islamic State of Iraq. Back then a local affiliate of Al-Qaeda. That's a fact.

 

[1000]

You did not counter what I wrote. Iraq is ruled by Shia ISLAMISTS. They (the Iraqi government) keeps their hand over many of those Shia militias - many of them are even more loyal to Mullahstan than their own country Iraq. Moreover most of those political parties have armed wings.

The Mahdi army has nothing to fight for other than against ISIS. The Americans have left and Shia Islamists are ruling. So of course you won't see them trying to change status quo. They are the ones in power after all!

Abadi seems like a secular, name of political party means little.
If you want secularism deal with the regional Islamism first, don't expect some Nasser to pop up this time.

Anyway you take too much events of history into count here to settle everything whilst this is not realistic, come with a realistic solution instead. As for political parties with militia's funded by Iran what do you want Iraqi gov to do against it ?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

They have been torturing people to death, burning people alive, massacring whole families (women, children, elders), forcing people out their homes, burning whole villages down, forcefully removing Sunni Arabs from the South (Basra etc.). So yes, they are not much different from ISIS at the end of the day. Fact of the matter is that all of them are terrorist groups and that both of them should be shunned and punished which they are not and have not been even before ISIS gained foothold in Iraq as we see it today.

All this is widely documented. You even have had Westerners (notoriously anti-Sunni historically as they always feared Sunnis) making documentaries about that.

It's "illegal" to link to graphic material directly on PDF nowadays but search on "The Death Squads" on Youtube and you will find a 45 minute long documentary about what I tell you.

See the situation in 2009, 2010, 2011, half of 2012. None persecuted those Shia terrorist militias from official hand during that period. Back then 99% of all PDF users did not know what ISIS was or the Islamic State of Iraq. Back then a local affiliate of Al-Qaeda. That's a fact.

would ISIS have flourished the way it has had the arrogant west not waged a proxy war in Syria, to de-throne the leader there?

and again - BOTH sides are wrong...but the ISIS have commited to worst acts of aggression on Iraqi civilians......no rules, no morals

 

[al-Hasani]

Abadi seems like a secular, name of political party means little.
If you want secularism deal with the regional Islamism first, don't expect some Nasser to pop up this time.

Anyway you take too much events of history into count here to settle everything whilst this is not realistic, come with a realistic solution instead. As for political parties with militia's funded by Iran what do you want Iraqi gov to do against it ?

He is just the figure head. It's the parties in power that are ruling.

What I am telling you is absolutely central in order for Iraq to move ahead in the right direction which we both want. I don't care about sect or those terrorists either. Other than wanting them all removed not only from Iraq but the entire Arab world as we have suffered from their likes for many years now and their supporters.

Stop tolerating an outside country (non-Arab moreover and historically anti-Arab and who look down on the average Iraqi) that only cares about their hegemony in Iraq meddling in your affairs and supporting terrorist groups actively. For instance the Al-Maliki regime tolerated that and even liked this. I am not making any conclusions about Abadi yet as I have liked some of his policies and I will wait a few years before I pass judgement but you get my point here.

would ISIS have flourished the way it has had the arrogant west not waged a proxy war in Syria, to de-throne the leader there?

and again - BOTH sides are wrong...but the ISIS have commited to worst acts of aggression on Iraqi civilians......no rules, no morals

ISIS or more precisely their predecessor organizations existed long before the Syrian civil war. Al-Assad is a war criminal and mass-murderer and his regime is a hideous one regardless of the radical element of the Syrian opposition not being much better or in some cases even worse. This discussion is not about Syria though. ISIS did rise in power due to the events in Syria. That's correct but that's not really the topic of mine and @1000 's discussion.