Iran's Intregated Air Defence Network... Will it deter western air power?

[Project 627]

If a nation can put a satellite into orbit which is considered one of the most challenging engineering jobs out there, this nation given time and funding can build a respectable SAM system capable of countering threats. And if they produce this indigenous SAM system in high numbers basing them around the country and train a dedicated and proficient staff to run it, then any aggressor party will have a hard time and high costs to go in. Iranians have already put satellite into orbit and they have access to funding. The only thing here is time. Will Iranians come up with their own SAM before an attack or that western countries will go bombing Iran before Iran gets the SAM batteries operational.

First, Iran rocket technology is based on North Korean rocket technology which in turn is based on old SCUD A, B, C, designs.

Second, to stop Western airpower Iran needs to build Modern double digit SAM systems, Knock off50 year old Russian and American single digit systems can't stop a Western strike, but double digit-systems can, but unfortunately for Iran they can't build these systems. Why? because they are on a totally different engineering level, for example Pakistan builds far better longer ranged and and more accurate ballistic Missiles then Iran does, but can they build double digit SAM systems? The answer is NO.

Third, even if they did manage to to build double digit SAM systems (which they can't,) they would also have to build a radar that can detect US Stealth aircraft which they can't because they are even more hard to build than double digit SAM's, consider this Russia is having trouble building radars that can reliably detect Stealth aircraft so the chances of Iran building them any time in the near future is zero.

 

[Abii]

First, Iran rocket technology is based on North Korean rocket technology which in turn is based on old SCUD A, B, C, designs.

Second, to stop Western airpower Iran needs to build Modern double digit SAM systems, Knock off50 year old Russian and American single digit systems can't stop a Western strike, but double digit-systems can, but unfortunately for Iran they can't build these systems. Why? because they are on a totally different engineering level, for example Pakistan builds far better longer ranged and and more accurate ballistic Missiles then Iran does, but can they build double digit SAM systems? The answer is NO.

Third, even if they did manage to to build double digit SAM systems (which they can't,) they would also have to build a radar that can detect US Stealth aircraft which they can't because they are even more hard to build than double digit SAM's, consider this Russia is having trouble building radars that can reliably detect Stealth aircraft so the chances of Iran building them any time in the near future is zero.

regarding the North Korean thing

And regarding radars, Iran has been buying fully digital modern radars from Russia for a while now.

 

[Bhairava]

What is a 'single-digit' SAM and a 'double-digit' SAM ?

 

[Luftwaffe]

First, Iran rocket technology is based on North Korean rocket technology which in turn is based on old SCUD A, B, C, designs.

So Yes N. Koreans are working on a better product. Thus Intelligence is limited it has been Years, those russian technology is quiet obsolete that previously N. Korean were using.

http://www.iiss.org/publications/strategic-dossiers/north-korean-dossier/north-koreas-weapons-programmes-a-net-*****/north-koreas-ballistic-missile-programme/

 

[ViXuyen]

You need to have an electronic manufacturing industry to produce radars. Does Iran have any wafer fab ?

 

[longbrained]

You need to have an electronic manufacturing industry to produce radars. Does Iran have any wafer fab ?

I fully agree. Iran has been lazy investing in a wafer fab facility capable of manufacturing its own IC's. But every thing is not hopeless, Iran can start up one now, and due to large global commercial electronic market, it should not be difficult to smuggle high quality electronic components into Iran since they are very small in size. After all smugglers get away with Cocaine smuggling. Even the first Russian AESA radar used American electronic components. So Iran can start up by using foreign components and then when a wafer fab is operational, it can manufacture components too.

Russian AESA TR Module with the cover removed. Note the use of an American Altera EPLD as the control logic element in this design.


Besides this Iran also needs to harden its air bases too. Without this hardening Iran will take hits since even best SAM's occasionally fail and the facility must be able to take hits.

To read more about SAM's and their effectiveness click here.

 

[poseidon]

Iran has got good electronic engineers i heard.
anyway Iran needs to start by making their own micro chip and so on.

 

[longbrained]

Iran has got good electronic engineers i heard.
anyway Iran needs to start by making their own micro chip and so on.

Good electronic engineers without a wafer fab plant is handicapped. Everything now adays depend on fab plant from cell phones to microwave ovens.

 

[longbrained]

First, Iran rocket technology is based on North Korean rocket technology which in turn is based on old SCUD A, B, C, designs.

Second, to stop Western airpower Iran needs to build Modern double digit SAM systems, Knock off50 year old Russian and American single digit systems can't stop a Western strike, but double digit-systems can, but unfortunately for Iran they can't build these systems. Why? because they are on a totally different engineering level, for example Pakistan builds far better longer ranged and and more accurate ballistic Missiles then Iran does, but can they build double digit SAM systems? The answer is NO.

Third, even if they did manage to to build double digit SAM systems (which they can't,) they would also have to build a radar that can detect US Stealth aircraft which they can't because they are even more hard to build than double digit SAM's, consider this Russia is having trouble building radars that can reliably detect Stealth aircraft so the chances of Iran building them any time in the near future is zero.

Sonny, you dont know what you are talking about. Scuds can not take a satellite into orbit. North Korea has tried and failed to put a satellite into orbit. Not only North Korea but also South Korea has failed to put a satellite into orbit. This notion that Iran can not do it, is laughable. Few years ago, people were also saying Iran can not put a satellite into orbit and they did just that.

 

[poseidon]

First, Iran rocket technology is based on North Korean rocket technology which in turn is based on old SCUD A, B, C, designs.

Second, to stop Western airpower Iran needs to build Modern double digit SAM systems, Knock off50 year old Russian and American single digit systems can't stop a Western strike, but double digit-systems can, but unfortunately for Iran they can't build these systems. Why? because they are on a totally different engineering level, for example Pakistan builds far better longer ranged and and more accurate ballistic Missiles then Iran does, but can they build double digit SAM systems? The answer is NO.

Third, even if they did manage to to build double digit SAM systems (which they can't,) they would also have to build a radar that can detect US Stealth aircraft which they can't because they are even more hard to build than double digit SAM's, consider this Russia is having trouble building radars that can reliably detect Stealth aircraft so the chances of Iran building them any time in the near future is zero.

In soviet Russia retard is you.

 

[longbrained]

In soviet Russia retard is you.

Leave him, he is ignorant. He is slave minded who thinks only Americans and Russians are capable of building anything. According to these people the rest of the world are sub-humans not capable of scientific thought.

 

[IranZamin]

Wait a minute, need to clarify a few things for retards here.
- Iran and North Korea previously cooperated both in the field of missile. Iran is not dependent on any nation for its missile
- development, our missile industry was set up in the mid of IranIraq war (1985) and has improved alot.
- Iran has had a succesful series of sattelite launches, that were both Confirmed by NASA and NORAD due to its improved missile technology,capability
- North Korea is a few steps behind Iran in missile technology. There were reports that North Koreans were seeking Irans help to succesfuly place their sattelite into LEO (Low Earth Orbit)

 

[Abii]

Iran has got good electronic engineers i heard.
anyway Iran needs to start by making their own micro chip and so on.

Yeah
according to the chairman of the electrical engineering department at Stanford University, the best university in the world for preparing electrical engineers is the Sharif University in Tehran.

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guys, cut Ogannisyan some slack. He didn't mean anything by it. It was just his opinion. The guy is not an Iran hater.

 

[Cyrus the Great]

I fully agree. Iran has been lazy investing in a wafer fab facility capable of manufacturing its own IC's. But every thing is not hopeless, Iran can start up one now, and due to large global commercial electronic market, it should not be difficult to smuggle high quality electronic components into Iran since they are very small in size. After all smugglers get away with Cocaine smuggling. Even the first Russian AESA radar used American electronic components. So Iran can start up by using foreign components and then when a wafer fab is operational, it can manufacture components too.

Russian AESA TR Module with the cover removed. Note the use of an American Altera EPLD as the control logic element in this design.


Besides this Iran also needs to harden its air bases too. Without this hardening Iran will take hits since even best SAM's occasionally fail and the facility must be able to take hits.

To read more about SAM's and their effectiveness click here.

I guess Iran have started electronic parts long ago. SAIRAN is one of electronic manufacturing

 

[longbrained]

I guess Iran have started electronic parts long ago. SAIRAN is one of electronic manufacturing

Electronics manufacturing is something else. You can manufacture electronics by designing systems and circuits leading to manufacture of products. What we are talking about here is wafer fab plants which manufacture Integrated Circuits (IC) and processors. True, you can still have an advanced electronic industry and import those components but you will never be completely independent if you are not are also manufacturing those components locally. Most of the fab plants are now in China, Germany, Taiwan, Japan, South Korea and United States, since the plants are very expensive. It might cost a few billion dollars to set up enough fab plants in Iran to cater to local market with some export potential, but I think it is worth it, since it would set Iran free to manufacture its own electronics parts, specially processors and logic controllers.

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