Iran's concern over Taliban threat

[SalarHaqq]

Russia couldn't do jack about the Middle East until Syria.


Why would they purposefully embarrass themselves by whining about something they couldn't do anything about.

Russia began calling out NATO's eastern European expansion long before she stepped in to counter it so this contention is moot.

 

[Communism]

Russia began calling out NATO's eastern European expansion long before she stepped in to counter it so this contention is moot.

It's called having one's priorities straight.


Losing the Middle East and North Africa was something Post-Soviet Russia couldn't do anything about.


NATO's eastern expansion was talked about as a warning to the West that Russia was going to do something about it.


And eventually, they started doing so.

 

[SalarHaqq]

It's called having one's priorities straight.


Losing the Middle East and North Africa was something Post-Soviet Russia couldn't do anything about.


NATO's eastern expansion was talked about as a warning to the West that Russia was going to do something about it.


And eventually, they started doing so.

You claimed the reason for Moscow's silence about American wars aimed at preventing future Russian influence in places such as Iraq, was the embarrassment it would have caused if the Russians talked about it without being able to counter. However the Russians did just that when it comes to eastern Europe. All the more embarrassing if it's their priority. Therefore the logic here is flawed.

 

[Communism]

You claimed the reason for Moscow's silence about alleged American concern for future Russian influence in countries such as Iraq was the embarrassment it would have caused if they talked about it without being able to counter it. However the Russians did just that when it comes to eastern Europe. All the more embarrassing if it's their priority. Therefore the logic here is flawed.

1st and 2nd Chechen Wars


Georgia 2008


Ukraine 2014-Today


Belarus Coup Attempt 2021


Kazakhstan Coup Attempt 2022


They started doing something when they gained the capability to do so.

 

[Mehdipersian]

It's called having one's priorities straight.


Losing the Middle East and North Africa was something Post-Soviet Russia couldn't do anything about.


NATO's eastern expansion was talked about as a warning to the West that Russia was going to do something about it.


And eventually, they started doing so.

All American plans in middle east is about protecting Israel and stealing oil. It's nothing to do with Russia

 

[Communism]

All American plans in middle east is about protecting Israel and stealing oil. It's nothing to do with Russia

You say that as if it can't be both.


If the U.S. cared more about Israel than their other priorities, they would have obviously gone after Iran first.

 

[SalarHaqq]

1st and 2nd Chechen Wars

First you suggested the USA was in "total control" of Russia at that time, now you're referencing the Chechen wars as illustrations of Russia standing up to western encroachment. Which doesn't make sense.

Also Chechnya was never considered a candidate for NATO membership.

Georgia 2008

Russia had begun calling out NATO's eastward expansion prior to the 2008 Georgia war.

Ukraine 2014-Today

Russia had begun calling out NATO's eastward expansion prior to the 2014 Ukraine war.

Belarus Coup Attempt 2021

Russia had begun calling out NATO's eastward expansion prior to the 2021 Belarus coup attempt.

Kazakhstan Coup Attempt 2022.

Russia had begun calling out NATO's eastward expansion prior to the 2022 Kazakhstan coup attempt.

They started doing something when they gained the capability to do so.

That's not the point. Your assertion was that if Russia refrained from denouncing the supposed anti-Russian aim behind the USA's wars in West Asia and North Africa, it's because she was unable to do anything about these aggressions and that speaking out under such conditions would have brought humiliation upon Moscow.

This is invalidated by the fact that Russia had been protesting NATO's enlargement in eastern Europe and describing it as a hostile act many years before she took her first concrete measures against it, and she was doing so without worrying in the slightest about what you term humiliation. So the logic of your contention is decidedly flawed, and the USA regime didn't have Russia on its mind when it attacked Iraq in 2003. QED.

You say that as if it can't be both.

If the U.S. cared more about Israel than their other priorities, they would have obviously gone after Iran first.

Not exactly. For Iran is too massive a stumbling block.

Also the invasion of Iraq was essentially brought about by the zionist lobby, as shown by Mearsheimer and Walt in their seminal work "The Israel Lobby".

You describe realpolitik as an adequate explanatory model for USA foreign policy, yet the two authors right here are among the upmost representatives of the realist school of international studies i.e. believers in realpolitik. Neither of them, nor any other prominent realist scholar identified containment of Russia as the chief motivation behind the USA regime's post-9/11 wars in the Moslem world.

There are simply too many holes in this peculiar theory, several of which have been highlighted already.

Here's another: if Washington was "totally controlling Russia" until 2008 as you claimed, and if its entire foreign policy was mainly revolving around Moscow, then certainly the Americans would have put to use this "control" of theirs to subvert and incapacitate Russia in such a manner as to make sure that a Putin wouldn't have been able to put her back on track only few years later.

 

[Hack-Hook]

it's not pro-principlist.

Even hardlnest of hardliners criticized ahmadinejad in it's second term and if you read the rest of wikipedia that you get that quote from you see it always criticized the oppositioon and liberals so it's not pro what you call liberal and reformist



The rest your usual wall of nonsense
There several milion illegal immigrant and they are danger to our national security

Jomhuriye Eslami Paper is worse than liberals. They are damn hypocrites.

And they printed a valid concerns
Illegal immigrants are a danger to our national security


And hipocrit is the guy who issued threats against Taliban but did not backed them with action.

Where are you getting the notion from that Iran is dependent on food imports?

Iran self-sufficient in wheat production: Minister​

Iranian agricultural minister Mohammad Ali Nikbakht has said that the country has become self-sufficient in production of wheat and does not need it import the staple grain in the coming year.

13 September 2023

https://en.otaghiranonline.ir/news/44997

Also should the currently moderate share of imports increase, then you can be sure Iran won't be turning towards the west to meet her demand. Already, Iran has secured arable land she's leasing in Bashkortostan, which is part of the Russian Federation (which NATO can't blockade either, given that Iran and Russia have a maritime border at the Caspian Sea).

There's a thread dedicated to Iran's food security in this section of the forum, you can have a look at it for more information.

Actually that depend how much rain we have in that year

 

[SalarHaqq]

Even hardlnest of hardliners criticized ahmadinejad in it's second term and if you read the rest of wikipedia that you get that quote from you see it always criticized the oppositioon and liberals so it's not pro what you call liberal and reformist

It's not pro-principlist either, seeing how the Ra'isi administration is regularly being taken aim at by this paper.

The rest your usual wall of nonsense
There several milion illegal immigrant and they are danger to our national security

Problem is that liberals would be extremely unlikely to strike such a tone if immigrants in question weren't devout Moslems hailing from Iran's own civilizational realm.

It was liberal administrations which deliberately killed natality in Iran, now that same camp is complaining about immigration, the only remaining remedy to the demographic slump. The mendacity of the reformist / moderate current knows no bounds.

Someone should tell them since they're willing to give away missiles, regional allies and nuclear break out capability, they shouldn't be taking people for fools by feigning concern about national security. Likewise, individuals who spew inanities such as, "Jewish and western culture are superior to Iranian civilization" - and those who associate with them, should never be uttering the word 'national' again.

Actually that depend how much rain we have in that year

Even so, Iran is not dependent on food imports like Egypt, and even less so on western suppliers. Anything else isn't relevant to the point discussed.

 

[Taskforce]

I don’t think Iran is the victim here. They probably instigated it. I don’t see why taliban would attack Iranian border guards out of nowhere.