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[Hack-Hook]

Iranian army will form its drone unit.

http://www.irna.ir/fa/News/83137088

I wonder if at last they managed to build Fotros.

 

[skyshadow]

I wonder if at last they managed to build Fotros.

if they can it will be perfect but if they can not do it at least we know army can buy them from IRGC for start.

 

[TheImmortal]

I wonder if at last they managed to build Fotros.

Fotros was built (at least 2 prototypes likely more). But without GPS navigation and a more advanced sensor kit it likely was just a waste of money to mass produce. The Shaheed family does enough for the military.

The fact it wasn’t ever shown in Syria is even more telling, as that’s the best area to test a long endurance drone in a war scenario.

Fotros project is dead at this point.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Fotros was built (at least 2 prototypes likely more). But without GPS navigation and a more advanced sensor kit it likely was just a waste of money to mass produce. The Shaheed family does enough for the military.

The fact it wasn’t ever shown in Syria is even more telling, as that’s the best area to test a long endurance drone in a war scenario.

Fotros project is dead at this point.

Fotros supposed to be able to fly higher and carry more weapon and stay more time in the air.
those alone could have been beneficial, but I believe its more than Satcom that delayed it , my guess is we didn't have a suitable engine to support it's increased weight compared to Shahed . by the way I don't knew but honestly i wonder what UAV army want to use for this branch

I doubt they will use one of IRGC projects

 

[skyshadow]

He underlined ineffectiveness of economic sanctions and boycott of science and technology against Iran, and said Iranian experts have also manufactured drones that are able to carry out operations in a flying range of 3,000km, as well as high-speed ballistic missiles which can destroy enemy warships.

http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13971008000711

 

[Draco.IMF]

Some serious assbeating from Houthi
-> Allegedly an modified Ababil-2 drone
Many high ranking killed in

The spokesman of pro-Houthi Yemeni army:

"New drone Qasif-2K explodes at a height of 20 metres and hits the target by fragments."

This is Houthi stuff, now imagine what Hezbollah or Iran could do....

https://twitter.com/x/status/1083350713894400001

 

[VEVAK]

Fotros was built (at least 2 prototypes likely more). But without GPS navigation and a more advanced sensor kit it likely was just a waste of money to mass produce. The Shaheed family does enough for the military.

The fact it wasn’t ever shown in Syria is even more telling, as that’s the best area to test a long endurance drone in a war scenario.

Fotros project is dead at this point.

GPS is just the cheapest tech and far from being the most sophisticated tech for navigations and any system that relies on GPS is most definitely not a secure system and that lesson was made clear to the Americans by Iran with the RQ-170

GPS based nav is best for smaller UAV's that really don't have much room to carry anything else for navigation or very cheap PGM's or cheap cruise missiles but on larger UAV's like MALE UAV's preferably you'd want GPS only as a backup to your standard nav....

What's far more important than a GPS is to have your own mapping software with detailed and up to date data which is hard to do for a country that doesn't have a large fleet of measuring sat's and imaging sat's in space

GPS is just multiple transmitters of a certain frequency sending out very accurate timestamps from multiple fixed locations to a receiver that then calculates it's locations by triangulating it's distance from each transmission by calculating the time it take for the frequency to reach it. (Transmissions traveling at a fixed speed sent at X time from location 1 & Transmissions received at X time from location 1 to calculate Distance from transmission from location 1 and with enough data (transmissions coming from fixed predetermined coordinates) you can triangulate you location )

Which means if an enemy has your frequency and can decode your timestamps then they can really mess with your GPS systems and that means GPS systems are most defiantly not secure systems for military use against a sophisticated country

 

[sha ah]

It's true, GPS hardware/software is cheap & easy to come by these days. Alternatively, Iran can also rely on BeiDou and GLONASS

GPS is just the cheapest tech and far from being the most sophisticated tech for navigations and any system that relies on GPS is most definitely not a secure system and that lesson was made clear to the Americans by Iran with the RQ-170

GPS based nav is best for smaller UAV's that really don't have much room to carry anything else for navigation or very cheap PGM's or cheap cruise missiles but on larger UAV's like MALE UAV's preferably you'd want GPS only as a backup to your standard nav....

What's far more important than a GPS is to have your own mapping software with detailed and up to date data which is hard to do for a country that doesn't have a large fleet of measuring sat's and imaging sat's in space

GPS is just multiple transmitters of a certain frequency sending out very accurate timestamps from multiple fixed locations to a receiver that then calculates it's locations by triangulating it's distance from each transmission by calculating the time it take for the frequency to reach it. (Transmissions traveling at a fixed speed sent at X time from location 1 & Transmissions received at X time from location 1 to calculate Distance from transmission from location 1 and with enough data (transmissions coming from fixed predetermined coordinates) you can triangulate you location )

Which means if an enemy has your frequency and can decode your timestamps then they can really mess with your GPS systems and that means GPS systems are most defiantly not secure systems for military use against a sophisticated country

 

[TheImmortal]

GPS is just the cheapest tech and far from being the most sophisticated tech for navigations and any system that relies on GPS is most definitely not a secure system and that lesson was made clear to the Americans by Iran with the RQ-170

GPS based nav is best for smaller UAV's that really don't have much room to carry anything else for navigation or very cheap PGM's or cheap cruise missiles but on larger UAV's like MALE UAV's preferably you'd want GPS only as a backup to your standard nav....

What's far more important than a GPS is to have your own mapping software with detailed and up to date data which is hard to do for a country that doesn't have a large fleet of measuring sat's and imaging sat's in space

GPS is just multiple transmitters of a certain frequency sending out very accurate timestamps from multiple fixed locations to a receiver that then calculates it's locations by triangulating it's distance from each transmission by calculating the time it take for the frequency to reach it. (Transmissions traveling at a fixed speed sent at X time from location 1 & Transmissions received at X time from location 1 to calculate Distance from transmission from location 1 and with enough data (transmissions coming from fixed predetermined coordinates) you can triangulate you location )

Which means if an enemy has your frequency and can decode your timestamps then they can really mess with your GPS systems and that means GPS systems are most defiantly not secure systems for military use against a sophisticated country

Nonsense.

When I said GPS I ment sat guidance and sat communication. Why build drones that won’t be able to access GPS, Glonass, and Bediou during war time? Iran will find it difficult and since Iran doesn’t have it’s own comm sats, it’s useless.

And RQ-170 was US ignorance not a knock on GPS. Even before RQ-170, in Iraq you could hack into predator UAVs with off the shelf equipment because their data feed was NOT encrypted properly. They simply were to arrogant or careless to encrypt their data feeds. They didn’t think anything of it.

So yes it’s possible to have GPS guidance and sat comm while being adequately secure. Many advanced military craft use it.

With your logic, SAM systems are useless because if the enemy has your “codes” or FoF information they can mask an air attack.

 

[VEVAK]

Nonsense.

When I said GPS I ment sat guidance and sat communication. Why build drones that won’t be able to access GPS, Glonass, and Bediou during war time? Iran will find it difficult and since Iran doesn’t have it’s own comm sats, it’s useless.

And RQ-170 was US ignorance not a knock on GPS. Even before RQ-170, in Iraq you could hack into predator UAVs with off the shelf equipment because their data feed was NOT encrypted properly. They simply were to arrogant or careless to encrypt their data feeds. They didn’t think anything of it.

So yes it’s possible to have GPS guidance and sat comm while being adequately secure. Many advanced military craft use it.

With your logic, SAM systems are useless because if the enemy has your “codes” or FoF information they can mask an air attack.

Yes with your FoF codes they can attempt to mask an Air Raid but all that will do will cause a delay because Air Defense will see an RCS that doesn't match and a flight plan that hadn't been communicated and they'll attempt to make contact and if you don't have all the right answers and refuse to change your heading that will be that and those FoF codes will be trashed.....

But with GPS you don't get the luxury of confirmations and all GPS sats are doing is sending their ID out with timestamps which makes GPS not secure for military use when used as the only means of Nav but they are still useful to get accurate coordinates as a backup and they work best when used with another navigation system

 

[TheImmortal]

Intresting How Russia was so far behind in UAVs that they had to buy UAVs from Israel and technology from Iran.

Low and behold Russian version of RQ-170

Makes you wonder if Iran provided ToT for this model and in exchange for what?

 

[SOHEIL]

Intresting How Russia was so far behind in UAVs that they had to buy UAVs from Israel and technology from Iran.

Low and behold Russian version of RQ-170

Makes you wonder if Iran provided ToT for this model and in exchange for what?

Sorry but there is no connection between RQ-170 & this bigass drone (Okhotnik)!

They are different stories...

 

[yavar]

 

[Draco.IMF]

Sorry but there is no connection between RQ-170 & this bigass drone (Okhotnik)!

They are different stories...

maybe there is no connection between RQ-170 and this Okhotnis UAV
but I dont believe any second russia was not interested in the captured RQ-170
in 2011 russia was massivly behind in drone technology
for sure Iran and Russia shared technology and Iran got, of course, something in return
it was a massive blow for the USA losing this high tech beast, remember how they denied any loss back than?
Damn, it was the latest stuff at that time, only CIA operated it...
I bet also China wanted a look at it

 

[SOHEIL]

maybe there is no connection between RQ-170 and this Okhotnis UAV
but I dont believe any second russia was not interested in the captured RQ-170
in 2011 russia was massivly behind in drone technology
for sure Iran and Russia shared technology and Iran got, of course, something in return
it was a massive blow for the USA losing this high tech beast, remember how they denied any loss back than?
Damn, it was the latest stuff at that time, only CIA operated it...
I bet also China wanted a look at it

There is nothing special about RQ-170's airflow!

Americans never cared about the drone itself... But sensors and electronics.