Iranian Space program

[mohsen]

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Of course another disingenuous person comes out of cave.

It was just few months ago that during a conversation, Zarif said siding with east is useless!

Did you know that out of 8 years of Rouhani's presidency, Iran had no ambassador in China for about 2 years?
Did you know that during Chinese president trip to Iran, Rouhani's government disrespected him to the level that for strategic pact between two countries (suggested by Iranian leader), China didn't accept our foreign minister or any member of Rouhani's government? they also changed their silk road plan to go through more expensive Caspian sea but not through Iran.

Did you know that Iran was the last country in middle east that demanded Chinese vaccine? in fact government sided media were mocking both Chinese and Russian vaccines.

You are new in this forum, first stay for a while to understand who is talking about what and from where, then start labeling them!

India designed their second generation of nuclear warheads entirely through PARAM supercomputer when nowadays smartphones has way more computation power than that thing.

Sooner or later mistakes are going to be made or something occurs that leads to launch not being successful.

Also during Rouhani's Presidency there were 8 SLV launches yet apparently Iran did nothing if I were to trust you and that guy above you, sure, if I was just born a minute ago.

Computer simulation wont give you the required alloys and super alloys, You can simulate something which you have created and evaluated in the past, nothing much beyond that. and FYI, western countries don't let Iranian students to study in key fields, they don't even give us nuclear safety or material standards handbook let alone critical softwares and information.

 

[Sineva]

Essentially your're disingenuous as they had successful launch in 2015 with Safir while Simorgh sadly is not as successful since in last three times 3rd stage didn't perform well enough.

There is nothing even remotely "disingenuous" about it I`m afraid.

They may have been able to still launch a safir back in 2015[after 3 failures in a row],however by 2019 it was pretty obvious from this failure that the level of skill,likely either due to the loss of trained/skilled launch pad and support personnel,or simply because they had not trained in or simulated the fueling process of a safir for several years,meant that they couldnt even successfully fuel one on the pad,let alone get to the point of launching it,tho thankfully as far as we know no lives were lost in this potentially catastrophic situation,foe which we should all be extremely greatful.

The 2015 launch was the first successful launch AFTER a string of 3 failures over the previous 3 years,by comparison in the 4 years before that there had been 3 successful launches in a row.

Its one thing to suffer an inflight failure,or to have the satellite fail to deploy,its another thing altogether when you cant even fuel the damn thing successfully and it catches fire on the pad.
Which ever way you try and cut it,it just looks bad,and thats not me being "disingenuous" either.

 

[yugocrosrb95]

So basically you two double down with disingenuous behavior and act as internet doesn't exist.

Iran is signed One Belt and Road with China while issues with China can be attributed to tendency of Iranian political enstablishment being anti-communist/socialist unless you're not aware of communists and socialists being persecuted, jailed and killed before and after supposed democratic revolution where only politically correct people can participate in politics.

Iran sided with China on Hong Kong issue under Rouhani while some conservatives opposed to him singed western tunes about alleged Uyghur persecution for which there is no solid evidence while alleged victims got exposed for being frauds.

China does not have same reputation as western countries and those aligned to it since Iranian elite sends their kids to western countries and if Asia then South Korea and Japan thus its unsurprising when Iranians believe western propaganda on North Korea for which it also degenerated involving China in western countries when assertions made without shred of evidence.

In the end Iranians will look westwards as example even when being dissected like insects by west.

North Korea had troubles in their space launch vehicle program and Iran having it is nothing out of ordinary as is in fact reasonable since North Korea focused on liquid fuel ballistic missiles for which it has more experience with while Iran made decision to focus on solid fuel.

Iranian personell is certainly less experienced and it would not be surprising if procedures and configuration being inferior to that of North Koreans while new space center may alleviate or solve entirely the factor that could have caused preparation failure.

Still better than have dozens of top tier engineers get blown up by their rocket that used RFNA/AK27 and UDMH like it happened to Soviets when Nedelin catastrophe happened.

 

[mohsen]

So basically you two double down with disingenuous behavior and act as internet doesn't exist.

Iran is signed One Belt and Road with China while issues with China can be attributed to tendency of Iranian political enstablishment being anti-communist/socialist unless you're not aware of communists and socialists being persecuted, jailed and killed before and after supposed democratic revolution where only politically correct people can participate in politics.

Iran sided with China on Hong Kong issue under Rouhani while some conservatives opposed to him singed western tunes about alleged Uyghur persecution for which there is no solid evidence while alleged victims got exposed for being frauds.

China does not have same reputation as western countries and those aligned to it since Iranian elite sends their kids to western countries and if Asia then South Korea and Japan thus its unsurprising when Iranians believe western propaganda on North Korea for which it also degenerated involving China in western countries when assertions made without shred of evidence.

In the end Iranians will look westwards as example even when being dissected like insects by west.

North Korea had troubles in their space launch vehicle program and Iran having it is nothing out of ordinary as is in fact reasonable since North Korea focused on liquid fuel ballistic missiles for which it has more experience with while Iran made decision to focus on solid fuel.

Iranian personell is certainly less experienced and it would not be surprising if procedures and configuration being inferior to that of North Koreans while new space center may alleviate or solve entirely the factor that could have caused preparation failure.

Still better than have dozens of top tier engineers get blown up by their rocket that used RFNA/AK27 and UDMH like it happened to Soviets when Nedelin catastrophe happened.

You have lots of misinformation about politics in Iran, I don't want to go off topic, so I give one example and end this discussion here. (you can continue it in chill thread)

It's Iranian leader which defines our foreign policy, so sometimes our reformist government does something while they prefer to do the opposite (while advertising it). nonetheless, Iranian reformists (if you follow their media) always echo western voices in almost all cases (including Hong Kong or Uyghurs).

so for example while they say Palestinian issue is none of our business, they cry for the so called Uyghur Muslim crisis in China. In reality we know that Uyghur separatist leaders have close ties with US-backed anti-Iran MKO terrorist group, they even joined ISIS in Syria. from our perspective, they are another version of US-backed ISIS, so it's not in Iran's interest to support Uyghur issue and that's Iran's official policy, but as I said if you refer to reformists you get a different idea.

 

[yugocrosrb95]

Ironic you talk about misinformation when I point out facts that prove your narrative wrong as too of your fellow that poked his head out of cave.

Unsurprisingly you deflect and move on from inconvenient details.

Space launches continued under Rouhani that signed Belt and Road Initiative with mainland China.

Conservatives have control now and they still maintain relationship with South Korea while China has no qualms maintaining relationship with Israel unlike North Korea that rejects it like Iran.

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

alleged Uyghur persecution for which there is no solid evidence

Uyghur persecution is a real thing bro.

 

[yugocrosrb95]

Uyghur persecution is a real thing bro.

Then there would have been hard evidence yet here we are nearing two year coverage of alleged according to western China watchers that know little to no Chinese.

If so called East Turkestan was independent decades ago then in present day we would be seeing Americans droning Uyghurs like they did Afghans and Iraqis as they do now Syrians.

 

[yugocrosrb95]

2 year old video, a nice summary of Iran and North Korean connection.

 

[sha ah]

Realistically China has had territorial claims in Xin Jiang long before the US was founded by slave owners and long before any British convict stepped foot onto Australian soil.

Isn't it interesting that the vast majority of Muslim nations have no issues with China or the Uighurs ? Isn't it interesting that it's the USA and EU that seem to have a soft spot for Muslims ? Yes because we all know how much they care about Muslims. That's why they have bombed Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan and others.

Are there re-education camps ? Yes. Are they concentration camps where people are being massacred ? No. The truth is that in certain nations are funding radicalism in XinJiang and as a result there have been thousand of incidents where innocent civilians were attacked by radicalized individual.

China basically identifies people exposed to radicalism and they give them job training, they feed them and China tries to de-radicalize them. Compare Chinese re-education camps to Guantanamo where they actually torture people.

Compare how America reacted to 911, compared to how China has reacted to the issue of radicalization and thousands of terrorist attacks on their soil. China's approach is much more humanitarian. That's the honest truth.

Uyghur persecution is a real thing bro.

 

[mohsen]

Ironic you talk about misinformation when I point out facts that prove your narrative wrong as too of your fellow that poked his head out of cave.

Unsurprisingly you deflect and move on from inconvenient details.

Space launches continued under Rouhani that signed Belt and Road Initiative with mainland China.

Conservatives have control now and they still maintain relationship with South Korea while China has no qualms maintaining relationship with Israel unlike North Korea that rejects it like Iran.

The solid fact is that:
Simorgh SLV was ready at the end of Ahmadinejad government, but 8 years later (of Rouhani's administration) still it hasn't completed, it's test launches were never performed (to not upset the west), there has been few unsuccessful launches with real satellites which led to the loose of those satellites as well, and each launch has been with several years of delay (it's something which the project managers say, not me), due to this delay some researchers even left Iran and it further contributed to the further failures. at the end, even Safir launch was failed right on the platform.

the fact is that Chinese signed the pact with Iran a few months before the end of Rouhani's government, when it was clear pro-west parties are going to loose the election badly (as it happened), the solid fact is that this pact was an initiative by Iran's leader, not government, the solid fact is that due to Chinese rejection, Iranian leader sent a conservative from parliament as the Iran's representative, not the reformist government members.

so cut the crap please.

 

[yugocrosrb95]

The solid fact is that:
Simorgh SLV was ready at the end of Ahmadinejad government, but 8 years later (of Rouhani's administration) still it hasn't completed, it's test launches were never performed (to not upset the west), there has been few unsuccessful launches with real satellites which led to the loose of those satellites as well, and each launch has been with several years of delay (it's something which the project managers say, not me), due to this delay some researchers even left Iran and it further contributed to the further failures. at the end, even Safir launch was failed right on the platform.

the fact is that Chinese signed the pact with Iran a few months before the end of Rouhani's government, when it was clear pro-west parties are going to loose the election badly (as it happened), the solid fact is that this pact was an initiative by Iran's leader, not government, the solid fact is that due to Chinese rejection, Iranian leader sent a conservative from parliament as the Iran's representative, not the reformist government members.

so cut the crap please.

Please, you come here crapping about Rouhani and reformists while ignoring Simorgh was tested before Trump was elected, before Americans existed JCPOA you disingenuous troll that got birthed from ***.

 

[Messerschmitt]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1476463179546906631

 

[arashkamangir]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1476463179546906631

 

[sha ah]

So its officially in orbit ? Because western sources are saying "though its unclear if any object entered orbit around the earth"

Anyways Simorgh still only has a payload of 350 kg, so it can only put a mini satellite into orbit. 500-1000 kg is considered medium range. That's what Iran needs. China just launched a one ton satellite and the Americans are not happy about it.

Iran needs a satellite such as this, which is small but highly effective. It's able to take high resolution photos of cities, precise enough to identify vehicles, within 42 seconds. Even establishing a network of half a dozen medium communication satellites would be a big step up.

China's small Beijing-3 satellite can take high-resolution images of US cities within seconds, a speed its American counterparts can't match, scientists say

The Beijing-3 captured high-definition images over a 1,470 square-mile area of the San Francisco Bay — within 42 seconds, Chinese scientists said.

news.yahoo.com

China's small Beijing-3 satellite can take high-resolution images of US cities within seconds, a speed its American counterparts can't match, scientists say

 

[aryobarzan]

Yes ...Space Program is back..

Iran successfully launches research satellite into space
A handout picture released by Iran's Defense Ministry on July 27, 2017 shows a Simorgh (Phoenix) satellite rocket at its launch site.
Iran has successfully launched a domestically-built satellite carrier rocket, named Simorgh (Phoenix), sending three research devices into space, the Defense Ministry says.
“In this space research mission, for the first time, three research devices were launched simultaneously at an altitude of 470 kilometers and at a speed of 7,350 meters per second,” a spokesman for the ministry, Ahmad Hosseini, said on Thursday.
He said the space center’s components performed flawlessly and the stages of the satellite carrier’s launch took place according to plans. “Finally, the intended research goals [of the mission] were fulfilled,” Hosseini said.
Hosseini said the launch followed several achievements in the Islamic Republic’s civilian space program.
In 2017, Iran’s Imam Khomeini Space Center successfully launched the Simorgh carrier with a mission of putting satellites into the orbit.

Iranian minister promises 'good news' on launch of satellites
Iran will have "good news” about its launch of satellites before the end of the current Persian year in March 2022, the country
“We will speed up work so that we can become one of the six countries that can launch satellites into the GEO (geostationary) orbit,” he added.
The United States has expressed concern that Iran’s satellite launches are part of an effort by the Islamic Republic to develop ballistic missiles capable of delivering nuclear weapons.
Iran, which has long maintained its nuclear program is entirely civilian in nature, says its satellite launches and rocket tests do not have a military component.

Iran successfully launches research satellite into space

Iran successfully launches into space a domestically-built satellite carrier, named Simorgh (Phoenix), bearing three research devices.

www.presstv.ir