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[VEVAK]

It's a cost issue.

One could imagine paying money for such a flex nozzle system to counter exo-atmospheric systems like the THAAD.
But no: better thermal shielding + fins and a shallow attack trajectory is the solution to counter more advanced ABM.

This thing makes sense for a high value missile: A ICBM.
Or ASAT. Too large for ABM.

I’m fishing after canister launched fateh class that could be deployed in future ships and submarines. Do you think retractable fins could be a possibility?

Why you so worried about the fin's? If need be they can just use bigger containers! Main thing with Raad-500 is Cost reduction by 50% and the use of much smaller and more compact facilities for production.

This is the type of missile system that would eventually be produced at small facilities across every province of Iran.
That's the key point with the Raad-500

As for a ship launched version they will need a missile designed to be vertically launched so it will be a completely different type of missile...…

 

[TheImmortal]

Why you so worried about the fin's? If need be they can just use bigger containers! Main thing with Raad-500 is Cost reduction by 50% and the use of much smaller and more compact facilities for production.

This is the type of missile system that would eventually be produced at small facilities across every province of Iran.
That's the key point with the Raad-500

As for a ship launched version they will need a missile designed to be vertically launched so it will be a completely different type of missile...…

I question HALF the cost. Seems translation error due to HALF the weight.

You said F-110 cost less than 100K then this means this cost less than 50K. Laughable.

Like I said, it’s either an error or you were wrong in F-110 cost estimation (like always).

 

[VEVAK]

I question HALF the cost. Seems translation error due to HALF the weight.

You said F-110 cost less than 100K then this means this cost less than 50K. Laughable.

Like I said, it’s either an error or you were wrong in F-110 cost estimation (like always).

They are likely referring to the cost of the booster (Rocket engine and airframe) not the entire system plus the Raad-500 is not as accurate as the F-313 or the Mobine at least not yet

Also if you knew about all the facilities required in producing even the F-110 you would better understand why it's so much cheaper to produce

You also have to realize that Iran is NOT a capitalist country and no one is making money off selling the military these missiles nor adding R&D cost to the cost of the missile and the MOD is not only getting everything at cost but also material cost for them is as cheap as moving dirt!

 

[Mithridates]

I question HALF the cost. Seems translation error due to HALF the weight.

i don't know if the cost is half but general salami said it's cheaper than previous fatehs.

 

[Philosopher]

I question HALF the cost. Seems translation error due to HALF the weight.

You said F-110 cost less than 100K then this means this cost less than 50K. Laughable.

Like I said, it’s either an error or you were wrong in F-110 cost estimation (like always).

Hezijadeh directly said the cost is half:

Watch at 1:01

i don't know if the cost is half but general salami said it's cheaper than previous fatehs.

It is half, watch video above.

 

[Philosopher]

I was thinking, just imagine if Iran applied all these new composite body and fuel technology to sejill sized missile. Add another stage on a sejill mixed with these new technologies and Iran easily has a minuteman ICBM ranged missile. But obviously for political reason, I doubt Iran would openly reveal such long ranger assets.

 

[Philosopher]

Carbon filament case for the missile:

 

[VEVAK]

I was thinking, just imagine if Iran applied all these new composite body and fuel technology to sejill sized missile. Add another stage on a sejill mixed with these new technologies and Iran easily has a minuteman ICBM ranged missile. But obviously for political reason, I doubt Iran would openly reveal such long ranger assets.

At this point what are they going to do? sanction our oil and assassinate our generals?
I think its about time Iran stops playing nice!

Every time they cross a line we should cross a line!

 

[Blue In Green]

Carbon filament case for the missile:

Iran has what I like to call "Ferrari" Missiles lol.

You know 'carbon-fiber' body, all that jazz haha

The next Iranian missile be dubbed, "Fateh-F1 series" xD!

 

[Philosopher]

I think its about time Iran stops playing nice!

Every time they cross a line we should cross a line!

Agreed, but I believe there are two main political barriers. One is, the Americans and their allies using an Iranian ICBM to push for the idea Iran must be after developing a nuke by the using the fallacy of "ICBM has no other uses other than carrying a nuke". The other point is, the Americans have always used Iran as an excuse to base missile defence in Europe. Even though in reality it's based against the Russians (obviously the Russians know it too). If Iran develops an ICBM, Americans will without a doubt place more extensive missile defence on European soils. What will do to Iran-Russian relation? Also to Iran-Europe relations.

I think Iran is close to going down the unveiling ICBM road, but it's not there just yet. What will cause Iran to go across that line is not fully clear. Iran has its own calculations.

 

[VEVAK]

Agreed, but I believe there are two main political barriers. One is, the Americans and their allies using an Iranian ICBM to push for the idea Iran must be after developing a nuke by the using the fallacy of "ICBM has no other uses other than carrying a nuke". The other point is, the Americans have always used Iran as an excuse to base missile defence in Europe. Even though in reality it's based against the Russians (obviously the Russians know it too). If Iran develops an ICBM, Americans will without a doubt place more extensive missile defence on European soils. What will do to Iran-Russian relation? Also to Iran-Europe relations.

I think Iran is close to going down the unveiling ICBM road, but it's not there just yet. What will cause Iran to go across that line is not fully clear. Iran has its own calculations.

For hitting Europe 4,500km would be more than sufficient (From norther Iran to London is ~3700km) so we don't really need an ICBM for that!

As for Russia well the Americans have been putting missile defense across Europe for years now so the Russians by now know that with or without an Iranian ICBM's the Americans will be doing that regardless! So why should they care? It's not like they'll remove them if we agree not to build ICBM's! So I think the Russians know better! As for the Europeans anything beyond 5,500 km wouldn't really be targeting them anyways.

 

[Philosopher]

For hitting Europe 4,500km would be more than sufficient (From norther Iran to London is ~3700km) so we don't really need an ICBM for that!

I am not saying Iran needs an ICBM to use against Europe, I am talking about US using Iran as an excuse to base its missiles in Europe.

As for Russia well the Americans have been putting missile defense across Europe for years now so the Russians by now know that with or without an Iranian ICBM's the Americans will be doing that regardless! So why should they care? It's not like they'll remove them if we agree not to build ICBM's! So I think the Russians know better!

Well if Iran does test an ICBM and the Americans expand aggressively in Europe in missile defence deployment, I don't see the Russians being happy. Not that I personally care about it, but I am seeing this as a political barrier. Having said that, should Iran feel the need for an ICBM, it will go there regardless of opposition.

As for the Europeans anything beyond 5,500 km wouldn't really be targeting them anyways.

Yes but it would still cover Europe and many of Europeans will freak out. Once again, not that I care. I have already stated in this forum that the West only understands force and that Iran should have gone for nukes and ICBM a long time ago. But our wish does not translate to reality, sadly!

 

[PeeD]

So it seems like this summer Iran will have it's first ICBM test flight with the Zoljanah "SLV".
The first stage will likely be a heavy high strength steel one to reduce performance and let it look too heavy for a mobile system.
In best case it is already compact with a smaller graphite first stage and all-solid up to the tip.
If it is all solid, it will effectively be a ASAT too.
Almost 10 years after Shahid Tehrani...

 

[Blue In Green]

So it seems like this summer Iran will have it's first ICBM test flight with the Zoljanah "SLV".
The first stage will likely be a heavy high strength steel one to reduce performance and let it look too heavy for a mobile system.
In best case it is already compact with a smaller graphite first stage and all-solid up to the tip.
If it is all solid, it will effectively be a ASAT too.
Almost 10 years after Shahid Tehrani...

He didn't die in vain, that's all the matters now.

 

[TheImmortal]

They are likely referring to the cost of the booster (Rocket engine and airframe) not the entire system plus the Raad-500 is not as accurate as the F-313 or the Mobine at least not yet

Also if you knew about all the facilities required in producing even the F-110 you would better understand why it's so much cheaper to produce

You also have to realize that Iran is NOT a capitalist country and no one is making money off selling the military these missiles nor adding R&D cost to the cost of the missile and the MOD is not only getting everything at cost but also material cost for them is as cheap as moving dirt!

Iran is NOT a capitalistic country? Really? Tell me what economic model does it run? Communism? Libertarian-ism? Lol Iran is a Mafia-istic country with socialism mixed in.

While they don’t have a massive military industrial complex that has to show profits every quarter (like the US) they certainly do NOT give things at cost to the military. That is the dumbest statement I have ever heard. Military gets funded by government and they Award contracts to a whatever firm(s) can demonstrate a product they want. That is why a lot of projects you see at military fairs or exhibitions in Iran NEVER move to mass production. The military branches simply do not want or can’t spend the money the company is asking for.

Iranian military firms def do try to make a profit because at the end of the day, that missile engineer or that missile technician is NOT there working for free. He could easily leave and go work at a military company anywhere else in the world. They get paid VERY WELL. In fact, Iran’s military cyber warfare hackers are making well over 6 figures in USD salary a year, which in Iran is an HANDSOME salary.

A Fateh-110 to be built could require parts from 10 or 100 different companies of which some are not government owned and merely government LINKED (big difference). And those companies are certainly not
giving things at cost to Iran or else they wouldn’t exist.

Tomorrow @VEVAK will tell everyone when Iran buys one F-110 it gets one free

A tomahawk cruise missile cost 1.4M, but in a few weeks You will say a F-110 only cost the same as nooneh sangak