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[The SC]

What's a "massive number"?

Think about it this way. Between 2003 and 2005, the Americans dropped 500,000 tons of ordinance on Iraq. IN 2 YEARS they dropped 500,000 tons. Those were "surgical strikes" with near perfect accuracy.

How many missiles will Iran send in the first few days of a war? 100? 100-150 if we're being very generous. Divided between 3 countries (Israel, UAE and Kuwait) that's 30-35 missiles. None of them are accurate. Iran doesn't even have GPS. Out of the 30 that go to Israel, most will either miss their targets or get shot down by the Iron Dome. Say 10 hit their targets in some miraculous fashion. That's 10 X 2 tons. 20 tons of ordinance compared to 500,000 tons in 2 years by the Americans.

They have talked about sending 10 000 BM in the first hours of war. do the math for that please, just to be in tune with the Iranian generals who have made the claim... if just 2000 of them get through in the first salvo, let's say that 8000 get intercepted. In a second equal salvo you can be sure that at least 5000 will go through and so on, hence completely saturating the whom it may concern defenses and defensive abilities, they will match the 2 years 500 000 tons in 3 months maximum. And I do believe them, because that is the capability that made them give up the nuclear weapons option, add to it secret very high explosives and fuel air bombs, plus pinpoint accuracy and you'll understand why the West wanted to add the Iranian missile capability in the current nuclear negotiations.

 

[yavar]

Iran "Ghadir" Anti-ship cruise missile with range 300 KM

 

[yavar]

FOR FOOLS

Iran General Fadavi and General Dehghan on subsurface missile SLCM test in February 27, 2015

ریادار فدوی همچنین، پاسخ به سوالی درباره موشک زیرآبی سپاه که در رزمایش پیامبر اعظم(ص) 9 تست شد را به زمان مناسبی موکول کرد.

خبرگزاری بین المللی تسنیم - تجهیز بالگردهای سپاه به کروز ۳۰۰ کیلومتری قدیر



look at how much and how long they are both laughing .

 

[Draco.IMF]

look at how much and how long they are both laughing .

why they are laughing?

 

[yavar]

why they are laughing?

the journalists ask them both a question on this missile

trying to get some answers

but they said both they can not say anything and they are just made jokes and laughed .

if someone can do accurate translation it would be helpful

 

[SOHEIL]

@yavar ... Ghaem-6 involved !?

 

[Draco.IMF]

So what we can expect?
Silo based?
Improved CEP?
Better miniaturizing?
Build from other components (stelth)?
Greater range?
Improved fuel (faster...)?
Cold/Hot launch?
MIRV warheads?

 

[yavar]

@yavar ... Ghaem-6 involved !?

This is Ruhani administration so nothing is set . Even they may cancel the whole event .

 

[SipahSalar]

I don't think that's a smart move. Who the hell retires missiles? No one, unless you have a budget like USA, you don't retire missiles. Pakistan still has its Hatf.1 missiles in active service.

 

[Minute by Minute]

Not Word by Word:
the jouralists have insisted upon more information about the missile tested during the drill, but with no luck. The respond is, that the missile in questin is a special kind of missile and will not be shown publicly in "delivery ceremonies" like this with cameras roling. They say, that the missile is built for a special time and the delivery will be directly to the enemy. And they laugh!

 

[SOHEIL]

This is Ruhani administration so nothing is set . Even they may cancel the whole event .

How could you call that missile obsolete !?

Not a long range but a real killer !

A silo base solid fuel (TVC) is obsolete !?

 

[The SC]

I don't think that's a smart move. Who the hell retires missiles? No one, unless you have a budget like USA, you don't retire missiles. Pakistan still has its Hatf.1 missiles in active service.

They are not retiring them, they will replace their production with newer and more sophisticated ones that will be added to the existing ones. And maybe upgrading some to the new standards.

 

[The SC]

Iran Plans to Replace Missile Arsenal

TEHRAN (FNA)- Commander of the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) Aerospace Force Brigadier General Amir Ali Hajizadeh announced Iran's plans to replace its Fateh, Qiyam and Qadr missile series with a new generation of missiles next year.
"We will abolish Fateh 110 missiles (a short-range, road-mobile, solid-propellant, high-precision ballistic missile with advanced navigation and control systems) as well as the mid-range (high-precision ballistic) Qiyam and Qadr (first generation of air-launched precision-guided) missiles to replace them with new missiles," Hajizadeh said in Tehran on Friday.

He referred to the unveiling of long-range ground-to-ground Soumar cruise missile system last week, reminding that the weapon system has been built built under harsh sanctions.

Iran unveiled 'Soumar' missile system in a ceremony attended by senior military officials and commanders on Sunday.

"The long-range ground-to-ground Soumar cruise missile system has been designed and built by experts of the defense ministry's aerospace industries organization," Defense Minister Brigadier General Hossein Dehqan told reporters after the unveiling ceremony.

"The designing and building of this weapon whose navigation and propulsion systems and its structure enjoy complicated and new technologies is seen as a wide stride taken to enhance the Islamic Republic of Iran's defensive and deterrence power," he added.

Dehqan also announced the mass delivery of Qadr and Qiyam long-range ballistic missiles to the IRGC's Aerospace Force, and said these missiles are capable of destroying different types of targets under any type of conditions due to their tactical capability, sustainability in the battleground and radar-evading features.

He also announced that the defense ministry would deliver upgraded versions of these long-range and high-precision missiles to the Iranian military forces next year.

Also during the ceremony, Hajizadeh hailed Iran's advancements in missile technology under the harshest sanctions imposed on the country, and underlined that Iran would never allow its defense program and cruise missiles become a topic in its negotiations with the world powers.

The Iranian Armed Forces have recently test-fired different types of newly-developed missiles and torpedoes and tested a large number of home-made weapons, tools and equipment, including submarines, military ships, artillery, choppers, aircrafts, UAVs and air defense and electronic systems, during massive military drills.

Defense analysts and military observers say that Iran's wargames and its advancements in weapons production have proved as a deterrent factor.

Iran successfully tested second generation of Sejjil missiles and brought it into mass production in 2013.

Sejjil missiles are considered as the third generation of Iran-made long-range missiles.

Also, Iran's 2000km-range, liquid-fuel, Qadr F ballistic missile can reach territories as far as Israel.

Iran's surface-to-surface Sejjil missile, the long-range Shahab-3 ballistic missile which has a range of up to 2,000 km, and Zelzal and Fateh missiles have all been developed by the Aerospace Organization of the Defense Industries.

This is while the solid-fuel, two-stage Sejjil missile with two engines, is capable of reaching a very high altitude and therefore has a longer range than that of the Shahab 3 model.

Farsnews

 

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[PeeD]

In nuclear warfare doctrine there is the concept of counter force and counter value.

The doctrine is also applicable to a force equipped with large amounts of conventional ballistic missiles.

Irans arsenal from Shahab-1 to Ghadr will always be a counter value asset for Iran (although with a low survivability). More so for the liquid fueled ones which have a almost infinite life time. It makes no sense to scrap a arsenal of conventional counter value assets even if their use is quite complicated (Shahab-3) compared to new generation missiles, it still delivers one ton to more than 1000km distance.

If Iran has special warheads, then these missiles may quit "frontline" service but they remain an available asset with trained crews and prepared support systems.

If the stockpiles are now, 2015, after 20 years of production big enough to ensure a credible counter value force then their production might be discontinued, yes.

The successors of these systems would be more counter force orientated assets with higher tactical capability (means solid fuel). The Fateh-110, Sedjil and advanced Ghadr variants now fill up the role of counter force assets and these could be replaced by better weapons with higher tactical capability.

It's a natural development: Iran has a conventional counter value asset, with more or less infinite lifetime, with an arsenal created over the past 20 years. Its survivability and therefore its capability to be deployed will depend on the counter force assets.

This counter value capability will only see a next phase with nuclear warheads.

The counter force arsenal is more limited and has been in production for about 10 years and still needs numbers and improved tactical capabilities. Naturally most counter force assets can be also used for counter value but they are more expensive which restricts their use for this purpose. High accuracy and uncomplicated use/quick employment is whats important here. A follow on system that should replace the Sejil and advanced Ghadr variants should be all-solid fueled, highly accurate, off-road mobile and tube launched and multi-warhead. High payload and compact size should be realized with a large diameter and small length.

If counter force weapons are employed successfully they should make the use of counter value assets unnecessary and even if they are to be used, Irans low survivability conventional arsenal would have a chance to be employed relatively undisturbed.

I hope this makes clear why a conventional counter value asset which as the Shahab-1/2/3 will not simply get scrapped. Its a asset with high value for which huge resources have been invested over the past 20 years. It might not be a important frontline system anymore and no candidate for special warheads but still delivers a strong punsh if necessary and has not the same life-time restrictions as advanced soild fuel missiles.