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[SubWater]

Actually bombs can do a U turn. Especially if they have wings on it. The only difference is the loitering time they can stay up in the air.

That make them very slow and predictable. However I still have doubt about that. Also if what you say is true that mean they can not drop your U turn bombs from distance.

Actually it makes it easier for cruise missiles to avoid SAMs because of the fact mountains are blocking most of the radar.

No, when there is just one way to reach point.

It is clear Tunnels and under ground factories are still very useful.

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

having eyes in the sky is also a double edged sword... the more you see the more you are subject to deception..so yes Iran will be using decoys to fool those eyes in the sky..just imagine a tunnel entrance with no depth...same tactics are being used in Syria against Israeli attacks...must be frustrating not knowing if your valuable missiles are actually hitting real targets or Tin cans!..

It's an interesting idea.. to mass produce cheap fake military equipment (tens of thousands, also mobile/movable ones which can be detected by radar), fake underground bases etc.

https://www.nytimes.com/1999/07/04/weekinreview/the-world-bombs-are-smart-people-are-smarter.html

 

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[raptor22]

If there is a tunnel entrance, there will be signs of human activities. If the local terrain make it too difficult for cruise missiles, then B-52 raids will do the job.

As I recall israeil not only failed to stop Hezbollah missile from firring but the number of missiles fired increased as war continued back in 2006 while the entire Lebanon is not more than 4000 sm which is nothing in compassion by Iran that is more than 600000 sm & Hezbollah is mostly active in southern area not the entire country ... and israel indeed enjoyed aerial and sea absolute superiority ... Hezbollah didn't have AD or air force or even a single boat to challenge israel S&D teams or any esp weapons to deter them but again they failed ... it is obvious that the nature of war was different but it doesn't change the reality that they failed .. Iran not only could challenge but has many means to destroy the source of thereat ... so I don't think it would be that easy of choice btw cruise missiles or B-52..

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

As I recall israeil not only failed to stop Hezbollah missile from firring but the number of missiles fired increased as war continued back in 2006 while the entire Lebanon is not more than 4000 sm which is nothing in compassion by Iran that is more than 600000 sm & Hezbollah is mostly active in southern area not the entire country ... and israel indeed enjoyed aerial and sea absolute superiority ... Hezbollah didn't have AD or air force or even a single boat to challenge israel S&D teams or any esp weapons to deter them but again they failed ... it is obvious that the nature of war was different but it doesn't change the reality that they failed .. Iran not only could challenge but has many means to destroy the source of thereat ... so I don't think it would be that easy of choice btw cruise missiles or B-52..

Israel started the War because they were Absolutely confident they would "destroy Hezbollah"!LOL

 

[raptor22]

Israel started the War because they were Absolutely confident they would "destroy Hezbollah"!LOL

well for God sake it was "the birth pangs of a new Middle East" as Rice put it back then .. but it was a miscarriage ...

 

[VEVAK]

Actually bombs can do a U turn. Especially if they have wings on it. The only difference is the loitering time they can stay up in the air.



Actually it makes it easier for cruise missiles to avoid SAMs because of the fact mountains are blocking most of the radar.

Wrong! In well defended area's like a Missile base it allows Iran to build various types of traps for any type of aircraft & or cruise missile attempting to fly low and use the terrain to stay below radar using various types of passive short ranged air defense systems because to actually stay below radar you will be restricted to only a few predictable routs.

As I said you guy's have been fighting cavemen with AK for too long. And the AMG-158 doesn't have the destructive power to collapse the entrance in any meaningful way. Meaning Iran could easily clear the rubble and reopen the entrance in under an hour if it wanted and the U.S. knows that so wasting a million dollar missile over something that Iran could easily clear up in under an hour is utterly absurd! To do any significant damage to the entrances of larger Iranian Missile bases dung inside mountains the U.S. will need to use +4000lb bombs.

Weapons like the AMG-158 & Tomahawk can only take out missiles inside of individual bunkers that aren't dug deep underground and Iran does have missile bases that also store mobile missiles like that too but the U.S. would still have to cross various layers of Iranian Air Defense systems to get there and deploy as many as 100 or more missiles against each of them if they hope to do any significant damage

Israel started the War because they were Absolutely confident they would "destroy Hezbollah"!LOL

They were actually under the delusion that they'd be able to reach the outskirts of southern Beirut in 2-3 weeks, after all they were going up against a force that had no air force, no Armored Battalion, not a single helicopter, no Navy, no Satellites, not a single SAM system,...
Fact is as soon as the Israeli's figured out that they can't scare this enemy away and everywhere they went Hezbullah fighter kept coming at them, within a few weeks they cut tail and ran.

 

[skyshadow]

To destroy a base such as al-Sufran or Livu in the UAE, we need something about 20-30 Qiam missiles and 30-40 Fateh missiles.

Red Circle Radius Destruction power of Qiam missile.

Blue Circle Radius Destruction power of Fateh missile.

Zolfaghar missiles at there finest

one of the Qiam missile storage facilities

To fully and completely destroy a military base as large as the Bagram base in Afghanistan, assuming that the missiles have the pin point accuracy and the 100-meter destruction radius, we need about 100-150 short-range ballistic missiles such as the Qiam.

 

[Mithridates]

To destroy a base such as al-Sufran or Livu in the UAE, we need something about 20-30 Qiam missiles and 30-40 Fateh missiles.

Red Circle Radius Destruction power of Qiam missile.

Blue Circle Radius Destruction power of Fateh missile.

Zolfaghar missiles at there finest

one of the Qiam missile storage facilities

To fully and completely destroy a military base as large as the Bagram base in Afghanistan, assuming that the missiles have the pin point accuracy and the 100-meter destruction radius, we need about 100-150 short-range ballistic missiles such as the Qiam.

or you can just hit the runway and bring the air force to do the rest.

 

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Persian gulf anti_ship missile hitting the target

or you can just hit the runway and bring the air force to do the rest.

yes but in this case we want military base to be in unoperational mode for a very long time.

 

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Zulfiqar impacts

Iran tunnel department

 

[TheImmortal]

2:02 a rare glimpse at a 4 launcher Talash System

Persian gulf anti_ship missile hitting the target

yes but in this case we want military base to be in unoperational mode for a very long time.

You are not accounting for the fact that these bases have fuel and munitions storages. A few direct hits to the munition and fuel storages will cause considerable damage to the bases.

Also you don’t need to hit every square foot of the base to make it sufficiently inoperable.

Lastly you are forgetting the use of multiple warhead missiles like Khorramshahr and sub munition warheads which are likely to be used on air bases.

But an important point is raised in that overall the destructive capacity of missiles is quite low compared to a fully armed bomber.

Hence why I think Iran should make unmanned supersonic bombers to complement the missile force.

 

[Hack-Hook]

or you can just hit the runway and bring the air force to do the rest.

Half an hour work to fix that.

To destroy a base such as al-Sufran or Livu in the UAE, we need something about 20-30 Qiam missiles and 30-40 Fateh missiles.

Red Circle Radius Destruction power of Qiam missile.

Blue Circle Radius Destruction power of Fateh missile.

Zolfaghar missiles at there finest

one of the Qiam missile storage facilities

To fully and completely destroy a military base as large as the Bagram base in Afghanistan, assuming that the missiles have the pin point accuracy and the 100-meter destruction radius, we need about 100-150 short-range ballistic missiles such as the Qiam.

Come on you don't carpet missile a base , just hit storage facilities and radars and that base is useless (if you want to be unnecessarily painful you can also hit the barrack .

 

[Smarana Mitra]

To fully and completely destroy a military base as large as the Bagram base in Afghanistan, assuming that the missiles have the pin point accuracy and the 100-meter destruction radius, we need about 100-150 short-range ballistic missiles such as the Qiam.

Launching such large number of missile is not easy as that will be detected.

or you can just hit the runway and bring the air force to do the rest.

Useless to destroy runways. There are quick cement and other synthetic repair material ready in air bases for this reason. The runways can be fixed in an hour

You are not accounting for the fact that these bases have fuel and munitions storages. A few direct hits to the munition and fuel storages will cause considerable damage to the bases.

Fuel storages are not on top but in underground tanks. Fuel is liquid and hence can be pumped from deep underground without any problem. So, you can't just hit the fuel storage easily

 

[sanel1412]

To destroy a base such as al-Sufran or Livu in the UAE, we need something about 20-30 Qiam missiles and 30-40 Fateh missiles.

Red Circle Radius Destruction power of Qiam missile.

Blue Circle Radius Destruction power of Fateh missile.

Zolfaghar missiles at there finest

one of the Qiam missile storage facilities

To fully and completely destroy a military base as large as the Bagram base in Afghanistan, assuming that the missiles have the pin point accuracy and the 100-meter destruction radius, we need about 100-150 short-range ballistic missiles such as the Qiam.

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Did you ever saw impact of missile??I did,and it was fucking old Luna...Those impacts you see when missile is tested are without explosive warhead or with very low explosive...test are performed so they lunch missile with very small amount explosive or without explosive warhead but they add weight or lunch higher verticaly(depending on tests)and than it is calculated... 1 ton of explosive with kinetic energy produced by true ballistic missile like Quiam is huge...You would need more quasi ballistic missiles like Zulfiqar to produce same impact of Quiam with same warhead... Because quasi ballistic missiles are much slower due low and non-balistic missile trajectory... Any way,you don't need 100 ballistic missiles to destroy one bases....Impact of one Quiam with 800kg warhead would be 400-500 meters at least while tactical ballistic missiles like Zulfikar or Iskander would have lower impact...missiles like Sahab and other MRBM go much higher and are much faster so impact growing with same warhead...Impact is not just hole in the ground....blast that missile produce travelling 6-7 mach with 800kg warhead would clean everything around...So,if you target airstrip you don't need hit closer than 309-400 meters from aircrafts,radars..etc and that is it....if you want to hit weapons and fuel storage than you need hit it with precise missiles....So mainly you target main airfield, weapons storage,electricity instalation,fuel storage and you would need target aircrafts.. but not more than 25-30 missiles per base...Than,when you do that...you is send aircrafts to finish job....For Iran preemptive attack is very important, because of many enemies they would can't allow US military deployment, they would have to act at first sign of build up...and that is why Iran reaction at US deployment was instant... Iran can deal with 1-2 strike groups and regional threat,in such scenario they can destroy enemy assets and Iran would have weeks till US re-deploy...But if US deploy large force and Iran don't react,than it change things drastically.But hope will not see this...I told you before,I would be worry when US navy position itself in red sea or Indian ocean instead P.Gulf...As long they are in P.Gulf we shouldn't worry.... Right now they are in red sea and Indian ocean, but only one strike group which is yet not enough for war..but if they deploy two more groups than it is alarm