Iranian Chill Thread

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

Can they compete with Chinese tire production though ? Will Russians purchase Iranian products like cars ? tires ? Unfortunately Iran doesn't have a reputation for producing such products.

In any case, as it stands, Iran cannot even compete economically with Saudi Arabia on an even playing field. The Saudis trade with the west & its allies, the USA, Canada, Australia, EU, Japan, South Korea, all these advanced economies AND they trade with China, Russia, India & the rest.

Iran on the other hand can only trade with Russia, China & a few developing countries under the table. Even with India, Iran can only trade under restrictions.

Keep in mind the USA has the largest economy on the planet & the EU has the second. China is a close third.

Currently Iran has 50%+ inflation (and that's the minimum), 60% are living below the poverty line & the Rial is effectively worthless. Currently at 535,500 Rial vs the US Dollar. Not long ago it was in the 270,000 range. In 2018 it was in the 50,000 range. I have family in Iran who work in real estate. They tell me it's not uncommon for land lords to charge tenants in Dollars or in Rials according to the USD exchange rate on a monthly basis. I honestly can't blame them with how erratic the value of the Rial is.

The current ruling establishment has effectively dollarized the Iranian economy. Even conservative commentators claim that it's 20% due to sanctions, 80% due to incompetence.

To be fair, there are lots of global currencies that have lost a significant amount of value vs the US Dollar recently. Like the Pakistani, Indian Rupees, the Turkish Lira, Argentinian Peso & many more. However Iran has something they don't. Iran is resource rich with the 4th largest reserves of crude oil & the second largest reserves of natural gas on earth. If properly managed, Iran should flourish & people should be prospering.

When that cleric, Soleimani, who was on the assembly of experts was shot a day or two ago, I wasn't surprised in the least. People in general are not content with the current situation & they're fed up with these failing economic policies. You can support the current establishment all you want, you can be a die hard supporter, but it's a fact that their economic policies have largely failed.

Some will claim that Iran's woes are all due to sanctions, but then what about Russia ? Keep in mind the Russians are considered to be extremely, excessively corrupt by the west. Yet they were able to stabilize their economy when sanctions were western imposed on them. they had a contingency plan & did what they had to do to stabilize their currency & economy.

The Russians pegged the Ruble to Gold, increased interest rates, prohibited exchange of Rubles to USD/EU & implemented several other measures. Interestingly enough, all of those measures were implemented temporarily, but they had the psychological effect of calming panicking citizens.

In Iran I don't see the government actively trying to stabilize the economy. They could peg the Rial to gold or oil & gold & other commodities, they could raise interest rates, even slightly, they could ban Rial to USD trade. I'm not advocating that these policies be implemented indefinately but they could have done so temporarily. Unfortunately it seems like it's too late at this point this the Rial has become effectively worthless.

In 1979 one US Dollar was worth 70 Rials. From the start of the Pahlavi dynasty until the end, the Rial floated from 20 Rials to 70 Rials n 50 years. That's 3.5 times higher. Keep in mind, at the time, 70 Rials to the Dollar was considered excessively high. Indeed economic grievances were a driving force behind the fall of the Pahlavi government.

However since the revolution, the Rial going from 70 to 500,000, that's more than 7000x higher. Compare 3.5x higher under the Pahlavi government to over 7000 times higher under the Islamic Republic. The facts speak for themselves.

The way I look at it, the biggest issue is that the people currently running Iran seem to be more concerned about Palestine then they are about the economic well being & prosperity of the Iranian people. I don't know what the future holds, but one thing is for sure, the current economic situation in Iran is not sustainable.

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[tsunset]

Even conservative commentators that it's 20% due to sanctions, 80% due to incompetence..

The Impact of Sanctions on Household Welfare and Employment in Iran

Wide-ranging US sanctions against Iran in the past decade were in large part imposed to harm the living standards of ordinary Iranians in the hope that their le

papers.ssrn.com

This is false and multiple studies shown that it is sanction-imposing entities propaganda, don't tell us that 4000+ sanctions is only "20%" of what interfere with the economy, so if the administration was perfectly competent, the country economy would rise up to the moon by 80% even with 4000+ sanctions on literally everything and any officials in Iran?

If you want Iran economy to go up and surpass Saudi Arabia, you'll have to sell it to the Whites and let them control your economy (and your whole country including interior affairs), at least for the current geopolitic status of the world

And these "conservative commentator" doesn't care as long as it discredit the current administration

 

[jauk]

By the way did you notice that guy "sha ah" disappeared when protests died down so did another guy "Dariush"..both MKO members I think..also "parsipride" lot of these MKO guys come over here.

I did. MKO or not, neither are Iran lovers. Either way, both are foreign lovings shills. One employs a strategy of normalcy by posting hollow stuff to endear trust and then turns into a buzzing fly and another is buzzing around off bat.

 

[SalarHaqq]

The Impact of Sanctions on Household Welfare and Employment in Iran

Wide-ranging US sanctions against Iran in the past decade were in large part imposed to harm the living standards of ordinary Iranians in the hope that their le

papers.ssrn.com

This is false and multiple studies shown that it is sanction-imposing entities propaganda, don't tell us that 4000+ sanctions is only "20%" of what interfere with the economy, so if the administration was perfectly competent, the country economy would rise up to the moon by 80% even with 4000+ sanctions on literally everything and any officials in Iran?

If you want Iran economy to go up and surpass Saudi Arabia, you'll have to sell it to the Whites and let them control your economy (and your whole country including interior affairs), at least for the current geopolitic status of the world

And these "conservative commentator" doesn't care as long as it discredit the current administration

It's true that most economic challenges Iran is facing could be fixed through adequate policy measures. Sanctions wouldn't suffice to jeopardize such an effort.

This said, systematic accusations of the Islamic Republic as plain "incompetent" by the oppositionist crowd are of course baseless. Oppositionist discourse is obfuscating several key points that need to be taken into account:

1) The damage inflicted upon Iran's economy by the liberal Rohani administration, clearly the worst of all cabinets since 1979 in this and various other regards, is so heavy that it will take several more years for its successor(s) to correct.

2) The current administration has done a rather satisfactory job so far, incomparably superior to the previous one. There's still room and a need for improvement in several areas of economic policy though.

3) Remaining obstacles to a more flawless economic management are not correctly identified by anti-IR media - deliberately so, nor by their audience as a consequence.

Indeed, one of the main impediments is the intellectual dominance of followers of the monetarist school of economics i.e. adepts of Friedman and Hayek, of the Chicago Boys etc - the most extreme, over the top market fanatics one may find, to whom even proper regulation of free markets and private companies by the government is anathema. This is while western regimes they often cite as examples, will themselves intervene in their economies on a gigantic scale whenever they see fit (see how many billions the US regime spent to save its banking system after the 2007 financial crisis).

The influence of these monetarists goes beyond the liberal faction which they are essentially part of. Given their near monopoly on specializedd media specializing, on economic teaching professions in academia, as well as the fact that they use popular show business figures (cinema actors etc) to rehash their talking points, the dangerous ideas they propagate have crept into parts of other factions.

These individuals, true to their unconditional defence of free trade, are ideologically opposed to the principle of economic self-sufficiency, which they denigrate as a "backwards" value. They basically advocate a program which would turn Iran into a mono-sectorial crude oil exporter, dooming her to import everything else from "more competitive foreign producers", as was mostly the case prior to the 1979 Islamic Revolution.

They staunchly support the JCPOA, support normalization of ties with NATO regimes no matter the preconditions set by the latter, and are keen on having Iran ratify the FATF in its entirety, which would allow Washington to gain insight into the channels used by Iran to assist her allies of the Resistance Axis. They are faborable to making Iran dependent on IMF loans. They are against Iranian presence in the region. They would transfer national sovereignty to supra-national institutions in the blink of an eye, would welcome multi-national corporations gaining sway over political decision-making in Iran.

They have issues with Iran de-dollarizing her economy i.e. with economic entities in Iran conducting trade in other currencies than the US dollar.

They do not want to see the Iranian government introduce a functional taxation system nor to tax higher incomes accordingly.

They are linked to oligarchs who control a vast share of the economy and transfer their benefits abroad. They echo Margaret Thatcher's crazed notion that "there is no such thing as society". They reject solidarity with the downtrodden (mostaz'afin) - one of the main objectives of the Islamic Revolution. They will dismiss any social welfare policy as a heritage of "improper interference by communists during the early days of the Revolution", even though Imam Khomeini's (r.A.) position in support of the mostaz'afin from a purely Islamic angle was absolutely unequivocal.

Interestingly, they are in other words pretty much aligned on narratives coming out of the BBC, Voice of America, Zionist International and equivalent online media, be it at the economic or political levels.

A characteristic of this current is that it will always ask for more, while constantly pretending that competition is still being restricted by excessive governmental regulation, in spite of all reforms carried out since the 1990's. They will depict the Iranian economy as a "mafia-like" one where owners of major corporations are close to the state, whereas in reality this is true of every market economy across the world starting with the USA, whose economic elites are not only intrinsically linked to the political powers to be but are actively impacting state policy through well documented lobbying activities.

What's more, multiple sectors of the economy in the west and elsewhere are structured as oligopolies - in other words, they do not feature high numbers of producers and very few big corporations divide up the market between themselves. As a result, prices are not determined by competition but by an understanding reached between said companies. Here again, monetarist economists in Iran are putting forward a state of affairs which in practice does not exist anywhere; it's a pretext they conjure up to press governments into implementing their agenda.

So the starting point of any endeavour to promote further economic expansion, should consist in challenging the massive influence exerted by monetarists. This is anything but an easy task, but it is doable.

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[sha ah]

The UAE Rashid 2 rover failed after the Japanese transport spacecraft crashed. The US threatened to sanction UAE if they worked with China. Oh well. They can always try again. I'm sure they will succeed eventually.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1651904920784699399

 

[jauk]

Where is the revolution that was supposed to overthrow the mullahs?

The 'revolution' of the magasAn is left with their buzzing. And given the lifetime of a magas..well...

 

[sha ah]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1651638571613265944

 

[sha ah]

WOW this is mind boggling. Societal degradation. Cultural degradation. Watching this video makes me feel like some kind of intellectual genius LOL

This LGBT / transgender movement is turning into a religion which disregards basic science & biology. The liberals in the west have completely lost their minds.

People all over the world used to admire America & its principles. They used to mimic American style, dress & culture. This is nothing less than cultural degradation. I never thought I would say this but I hope Trump gets re-elected & bans all this nonsense & trash.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1651911587043889152

https://twitter.com/x/status/1651866258516606977

https://twitter.com/x/status/1651899110557990914

https://twitter.com/x/status/1651755021363712004

 

[jauk]

WOW this is mind boggling. Societal degradation. Cultural degradation. Watching this video makes me feel like some kind of intellectual genius LOL

This LGBT / transgender movement is turning into a religion which disregards basic science & biology. The liberals in the west have completely lost their minds.

People all over the world used to admire America & its principles. They used to mimic American style, dress & culture. This is nothing less than cultural degradation. I never thought I would say this but I hope Trump gets re-elected & bans all this nonsense & trash.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1651911587043889152

https://twitter.com/x/status/1651866258516606977

https://twitter.com/x/status/1651899110557990914

https://twitter.com/x/status/1651755021363712004

As I said, irrelevant, filler posts.

 

[Blue In Green]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1652092162853462017

Another sabotage (?).

 

[Muhammed45]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650622746857181185

With no doubt Russia is our big bro in this fight against western savages.

Historically, Russian people have always fought and defeated blood thirsty savages from Khazar savages to Anglo savage Hitler. History tells us without Russian people in that area, humanity would have suffered much more than it already has. FYI, Iranian empires have also resisted and defeated savages of history, for example, there was a great wall built to resist the Khazar invasion in the north-west of the country. Khazars were the same cult ruling where we today call it Ukraine. Till Russians completely defeated them and conquered Kyiv.

In our religious teachings, in times similar to what we are currently experiencing, the worst people will gather against the best of humanity. It is hard to claim that we are the best mentioned to appear in end times, but i can surely claim Americans, at least their establishment, represents a satanic force expanding towards east where big civilization have emerged from.

From my point of view, history is repeating itself, there is only one difference from the past, that thanks to social platform which was basically designed and created to help Anglo-American empire conquer the world and ironically it is currently backfiring at themselves, people are seeing the truth through their own eyes. That who could represent the good/resisting front and who is the worst of human kind history. That said, i am optimistic about the future, good signs are emerging from everywhere and western propaganda machine fails to hide the truth behind the fog of lies and deceptions.

 

[sha ah]

About protest activity in Iran

The situation in Iran, despite some instability, remains the same. In some regions, attempts continue to destabilize the situation by bringing people to anti-government actions, but for the most part they are unsuccessful.

Socio-economic protests

At the moment, the average daily number of people demonstrating against the current state system is approximately at the same level - about 100-150 people per day.

The exceptions were April 16 and 17 , as well as April 23 and 24, when the number of protesters varied from 200 to 400 citizens. However, in this case, the reasons were not political, but social. The demonstrations were attended by pensioners demanding higher pensions due to the rapid rise in prices.

In addition, riots traditionally continued in the province of Sistan and Balochistan, an area inhabited by ethnic Balochs who profess Sunni Islam. Interruptions in the water supply from Afghanistan were part of the reason for the next unrest.

On the night of April 25-26, Iran's law enforcement forces (LOF) clashed with protesters in Fanuja after a police car hit two motorcyclists, resulting in the death of a local resident.

In response to this, spontaneous riots began near the building of the security forces. The DIS officers fired several shots to drive away the protesters. Three people were injured.

Worker strikes

A wave of strikes has also swept across Iran in recent weeks. According to human rights organizations, about 60 different enterprises joined the event.

The reason for these shares is the growth of inflation, which is almost 50% per year. Prices are rising, but salaries remain the same. The strikers demanded an increase in salaries in some regions up to 79%.

Schoolgirl poisoning problem

After the end of the holidays on the occasion of Nowruz (New Year), cases of poisoning of schoolgirls resumed in Iranian schools. The victims show symptoms similar to past incidents, but the causes or suspects have not yet been identified.

At the moment, such cases are not systemic, but rather focal. However, it also happened last year: in November, the incidents were local, but subsequently swept across almost the entire country.

Outlook

Despite the resumption of attempts to stir up unrest in Iran by opponents of the current government, the situation is currently under control. Specifically, anti-government actions are immediately stopped by law enforcement officers.

The increased number of strikes and rallies by the working class is largely due to the difficult economic situation in Iran due to the huge Western sanctions pressure on various sectors of the economy.

This does not mean that the opposition will not take advantage of the discontent of the working class in their own interests. Radical groups are trying to undermine the situation by any means, not shunning anything.

Against this background, the renewed cases of poisoning in Iranian schools and the murder of a member of the Council of Experts do not look accidental.

In the absence of real opposition from the authorities, local incidents may again sweep across Iran.

Given the very precarious balance in the country and the existing dissatisfaction of a certain category of citizens with what is happening, the situation in Iran will remain tense. The opposition only needs a loud pretext to stir up instability in order to repeat the autumn scenario.

 

[Muhammed45]

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About protest activity in Iran

The situation in Iran, despite some instability, remains the same. In some regions, attempts continue to destabilize the situation by bringing people to anti-government actions, but for the most part they are unsuccessful.

Socio-economic protests

At the moment, the average daily number of people demonstrating against the current state system is approximately at the same level - about 100-150 people per day.

The exceptions were April 16 and 17 , as well as April 23 and 24, when the number of protesters varied from 200 to 400 citizens. However, in this case, the reasons were not political, but social. The demonstrations were attended by pensioners demanding higher pensions due to the rapid rise in prices.

In addition, riots traditionally continued in the province of Sistan and Balochistan, an area inhabited by ethnic Balochs who profess Sunni Islam. Interruptions in the water supply from Afghanistan were part of the reason for the next unrest.

On the night of April 25-26, Iran's law enforcement forces (LOF) clashed with protesters in Fanuja after a police car hit two motorcyclists, resulting in the death of a local resident.

In response to this, spontaneous riots began near the building of the security forces. The DIS officers fired several shots to drive away the protesters. Three people were injured.

Worker strikes

A wave of strikes has also swept across Iran in recent weeks. According to human rights organizations, about 60 different enterprises joined the event.

The reason for these shares is the growth of inflation, which is almost 50% per year. Prices are rising, but salaries remain the same. The strikers demanded an increase in salaries in some regions up to 79%.

Schoolgirl poisoning problem

After the end of the holidays on the occasion of Nowruz (New Year), cases of poisoning of schoolgirls resumed in Iranian schools. The victims show symptoms similar to past incidents, but the causes or suspects have not yet been identified.

At the moment, such cases are not systemic, but rather focal. However, it also happened last year: in November, the incidents were local, but subsequently swept across almost the entire country.

Outlook

Despite the resumption of attempts to stir up unrest in Iran by opponents of the current government, the situation is currently under control. Specifically, anti-government actions are immediately stopped by law enforcement officers.

The increased number of strikes and rallies by the working class is largely due to the difficult economic situation in Iran due to the huge Western sanctions pressure on various sectors of the economy.

This does not mean that the opposition will not take advantage of the discontent of the working class in their own interests. Radical groups are trying to undermine the situation by any means, not shunning anything.

Against this background, the renewed cases of poisoning in Iranian schools and the murder of a member of the Council of Experts do not look accidental.

In the absence of real opposition from the authorities, local incidents may again sweep across Iran.

Given the very precarious balance in the country and the existing dissatisfaction of a certain category of citizens with what is happening, the situation in Iran will remain tense. The opposition only needs a loud pretext to stir up instability in order to repeat the autumn scenario.

Well, i haven't seen a single protest with those numbers of people that your source has mentioned. But i can comment about the area that i live in.

There is Khatunabad mentioned in east Azerbaijan province a densely populated village in Mianeh city of east Azerbaijan province.

The population of this populated village is about 400 people. According to your credible( ) source, there was a rally held in this village of 400 people. The word rally is a big word, maybe they have seen those sheep followed by sheppards, rallying against the Islamic republic and assumed them unsatisfied with the grass grown in those fields, in that sense, that must be a serious blow to Islamic Republic.

The final line says situation in Iran is tense, i don't know what situation your source is talking about. My cousin keeps a pet in his yard, you need to count the pets of Ardabil, Tabriz and Urmia to yield a rally. I'll take the responsibility for gathering them in our own district. Some people here hug their dogs and kiss them, they are disgusting but i can get along with them, hence i am sure your claim about rally, murder and serious blow to Islamic Republic can be met and validated at least in our neighborhood.


It can cause a wave of pets in Azerbaijan of Iran rioting with a wave of strikes hence completely radicalizing our city. And in this case i am sure there won't be shortage of sheppards and opposition leaders to lead their pets in the streets.

 

[Dariush the Great]

Some people here hug their dogs and kiss them, they are disgusting but i can get along with them,

Wow Mohamad, do they know that you call them disgusting while you are getting along with them?

Cheghadr in Shiye baazi shoma khandedare. Chera enghadr do roo? Chera shoma-ha hich moghe saadegh nistin?

 

[Muhammed45]

Wow Mohamad, do they know that you call them disgusting while you are getting along with them?

Cheghadr in Shiye baazi shoma khandedare. Chera enghadr do roo? Chera shoma-ha hich moghe saadegh nistin?

They are disgusting because they kiss and hug their dogs not because of themselves. I can ge along with them because most of them in nature are good people. Lack of responsibility, lack of religious values, too much humanism has destroyed their traditional life style.