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That's what I'm saying. In a globalized economy, every country must focus on its strengths and trade. Imagine if Japan tried to grow everything it consumes by itself. It would be impossible. Iran should export as much energy as possible and focus on drought resistant crops. Trading oil for wheat/tea and other vital commodities is good idea also, especially when Iran's currency is so devalued at the moment.

Honestly I believe that the Iranian government should peg Iran's currency to gold, silver, copper and oil for starters, just like Russia did. Unfortunately in Iran's case, unfriendly nations are not forced to purchase Iranian oil/gas, therefore Iran can't force them to buy Rials the way Russia has forced the EU to buy Rubles. Anyways, something is better than nothing.

Globalization still works for Iran given the fact that they are still importing wheat and many other staple crops. This includes from even the USA in the past. Food is generally not a sanctionable item.

Iran was under sanctions and embargo since 1979. It wasn’t until it’s currency unraveled that this even became an issue. Which was in last 5 years. And even then the issue was massive subsidies government paid to keep prices lower than other countries in Middle East. Which just encourages smuggling.

Why would a Iranian farmer grow and sell wheat to Iranian government for $50 cents when he can export it to Dubai or anywhere else for $1.25? So Iranian government would have to either

A) Subsidize the farmer to incentivize selling to government

B) Buy at global wheat prices

C) open government operated farms and take a loss on profits selling far below market rates.

Which puts you basically at the same problem you were at when you importing from Russia or any other country using Ruble/Rupee/foreign reserves. So now all you did was dwindle your depleting natural water sources growing all these crops.

It’s easy to say “Iran should grow everything themselves” and then give no realistic detailed solutions on how to do it.

I posted above the reality of ever changing Iranian climate and global climate. The Middle East is going to be affected tremendously over next 50-75 years at current pace.

Innovative solutions are required to make sure fresh water supply is abundant and THEN after securing domestic fresh water supply, you focus on making food supplies secure thru various trade routes and local growth.
 
Very sad state of affairs for the Ukrainian military. Sending untrained, lightly armed people to die as cannon fodder against tanks, jets, artillery ? Some of them even have WW1, WW2 era weapons.


 
Globalization removed the need for farming everything.

After all, if you can grow a tomato for .20 cents but can buy it (import) from another country for .10 cents. Then economics tells you to focus on a crop that you have a competitive advantage.

It’s all about globalization and economic efficiency.

Now globalization didn’t consider appropriately the ramifications of a superpower using extremely liberal use of sanctions as punishment around the world.

There would need to be a cost/benefit study analysis to see if it truly makes sense for Iran to grow all of its staples in house. Such a study would take in different Likely scenarios of economic isolation and foreign currency reserve depletion rate.

I think the issue is much more complex than painting it with a broad brush.
Nonsense. There is no such thing as ‘globalization’. That meaningless term only refers to western failed self serving economic policies that have devastated their own labor forces. It is being dismantled today as we speak. Food security and ‘globalization’ are a contradiction in terms.

Globalization still works for Iran given the fact that they are still importing wheat and many other staple crops. This includes from even the USA in the past. Food is generally not a sanctionable item.

Iran was under sanctions and embargo since 1979. It wasn’t until it’s currency unraveled that this even became an issue. Which was in last 5 years. And even then the issue was massive subsidies government paid to keep prices lower than other countries in Middle East. Which just encourages smuggling.

Why would a Iranian farmer grow and sell wheat to Iranian government for $50 cents when he can export it to Dubai or anywhere else for $1.25? So Iranian government would have to either

A) Subsidize the farmer to incentivize selling to government

B) Buy at global wheat prices

C) open government operated farms and take a loss on profits selling far below market rates.

Which puts you basically at the same problem you were at when you importing from Russia or any other country using Ruble/Rupee/foreign reserves. So now all you did was dwindle your depleting natural water sources growing all these crops.

It’s easy to say “Iran should grow everything themselves” and then give no realistic detailed solutions on how to do it.

I posted above the reality of ever changing Iranian climate and global climate. The Middle East is going to be affected tremendously over next 50-75 years at current pace.

Innovative solutions are required to make sure fresh water supply is abundant and THEN after securing domestic fresh water supply, you focus on making food supplies secure thru various trade routes and local growth.
Not sure what Suzie is spluttering.
 
That's what I'm saying. In a globalized economy, every country must focus on its strengths and trade. Imagine if Japan tried to grow everything it consumes by itself. It would be impossible. Iran should export as much energy as possible

And regress back to a mono-sectorial crude oil extracting economy after the impressive progress made during the past four decades in terms of industrialization and boosting domestic agricultural output? The suggestion is nothing short of a recipe for de-industrialization - something liberals in Iran (reformists & moderates) are openly advocating and pushing for. Consequences on Iran's economy would be devastating, for the Dutch Disease Iran would subsequently be affected by, is an inherent obstacle to proper economic development. And in political terms, it'd furnish Iran's existetial enemies a major instrument of coercion against Iran, namely the exploitation of economic dependency.

That they have not made use of criminal measures such as interdicting food supplies to Iran doesn't mean they wouldn't be willing to do so. The thing is, such measures would represent a massive escalation and Iran would doubtlessly hit back and hurt their interests just as massively if they attempted to starve the Iranian people on a grand scale. And that's actually the only reason why they're refraining from such. Case in point, they mercilessly starved Iraqis from 1991 to 2003, they committed genocide against Iranians themselves towards the end of WW1 by cutting off the grains supply chain. So it's certainly not due to moral considerations that they're holding back but because of Iran's retaliatory power.

When it comes to agriculture, 11% of Iran's vast territory being suitable for farming is in fact far more responsive to Iran's needs than the figure might suggest at first glance, because Iran's population density happens to be low. Pakistan next door is about half as large geographically but is home to almost thrice the number of people ie its population density is 5,5 times that of Iran. And the arid region of Pakistan includes southern and central Baluchistan, southern Punjab, southern and northern Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Sind, and the Gilgit-Baltistan province.

Also reasonable solutions for domestic agriculture were often discussed by public figures and even cited here, so I don't know where this unwarranted sense of hopelessness is stemming from. Essentially, improving farming techniques - and by that I'm not even referring to the introduction of health hazards such as GMO's or all sorts of additional chemical fertilizers, but things such as more efficient irrigation techniques, more rational choice and geographic distribution of crops, the generalization of greenhouses (which could even lead to a climatic cooling effect as observed in Almeria, Spain) etc. These onto themselves would make an enormous difference already. To address the challenges farmers are facing, Jahade Keshavarzi can be revived and can once again experience the notable successes it achieved in the 1980's.

No, Iran must stay the course and not only keep developing national production in every key area but do so in such a manner as to ensure the greatest possible degree of self-sufficiency, opposite to the logic of globalization.

Actually, those who followed worldwide trends in economic policy will be aware of the fact that the COVID epidemic was a wake up call for policy makers, upon whom it has now dawned that long neglected self-sufficiency in a whole series of strategic sectors (from food to medicine and various others) is in fact decisive. The trend been towards fundamental questioning of economic globalization. Why should Iran act so absurdly and start defying these empirically demonstrated findings, especially now that they've proven themselves to be accurate in practice?
 
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President Raisi has successfully brought Iran's relationship with fellow Persian-speaking nation of Tajikistan back to normal, after Rohani and his team messed it up in a reckless and foolish way. These steps form part of the current administration's policy of tapping into the enormous potential of bilateral interaction with neighbors as well as with major independent powers, rather than placing delusional hopes on detente or even normalization of ties with the west.

As concerns the Tehran-Doshanbe partnership, you saw the recently inaugurated production line of Iranian UAV's in Tajikistan but there are in fact many other dimensions to this renewed rapprochement.

 
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I'm not saying that Iran should de-industrialize but building infrastructure requires funding. Iran should be selling as much oil and gas as possible right now since the world is gradually shifting towards renewables and self sustained energy sources like fusion. Iran should focus on growing crops that are suitable for its climate and terrain. Droughts only seem to be getting worse over time so high yield, drought resistant crops make the most sense for Iran. Optimizing / modernizing the farming sector in Iran is easier said than done. The issue is that many farmers only care about profits and they're very much stuck in their ways. Many have been growing crops a certain way for their entire life and won't change their methods unless the government steps in and forces them to do so.

And regress back to a mono-sectorial crude oil extracting economy after the impressive progress made during the past four decades in terms of industrialization and boosting domestic agricultural output? The suggestion is nothing short of a recipe for de-industrialization - something liberals in Iran (reformists & moderates) are openly advocating and pushing for. Consequences on Iran's economy would be devastating, for the Dutch Disease Iran would subsequently be affected by, is an inherent obstacle to proper economic development. And in political terms, it'd furnish Iran's existetial enemies a major instrument of coercion against Iran, namely the exploitation of economic dependence.

That they have not made use of criminal measures such as interdicting food supplies to Iran doesn't mean they wouldn't be willing to do so. The thing is, such measures would represent a massive escalation and Iran would doubtlessly hit back and hurt their interests just as massively if they attempted to starve the Iranian people on a grand scale. And that's actually the only reason why they're refraining from such. Case in point, they mercilessly starved Iraqis from 1991 to 2003, they committed genocide against Iranians themselves towards the end of WW1 by cutting off the grains supply chain. So it's certainly not due to moral considerations that they're holding back but because of Iran's retaliatory power.

When it comes to agriculture, 11% of Iran's vast territory being suitable for farming is in fact far more responsive to Iran's needs than the figure might suggest at first glance, because Iran's population density happens to be low. Pakistan next door is about half as large geographically but is home to almost thrice the number of people ie its population density is 5,5 times that of Iran. And the arid region of Pakistan includes southern and central Baluchistan, southern Punjab, southern and northern Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Sind, and the Gilgit-Baltistan province.

Also reasonable solutions for domestic agriculture were often discussed by public figures and even cited here, so I don't know where this unwarranted sense of hopelessness is stemming from. Essentially, improving farming techniques - and by that I'm not even referring to the introduction of health hazards such as GMO's or all sorts of additional chemical fertilizers, but things such as better water management, more rational choice and geographic distribution of crops, the generalization of greenhouses (which could even lead to a climatic cooling effect as observed in Almeria, Spain) etc. These onto themselves would make an enormous difference already. To address the challenges farmers are facing, Jahade Keshavarzi can be revived and can once again experience the notable successes it achieved in the 1980's.

No, Iran must stay the course and not only keep developing national production in every key area but do so in such a manner as to ensure the greatest possible degree of self-sufficiency, opposite to the logic of globalization.

Actually, those who followed worldwide trends in economic policy will be aware of the fact that the COVID epidemic was a wake up call for policy makers, upon whom it has now dawned that long neglected self-sufficiency in a whole series of strategic sectors (from food to medicine and various others) is in fact decisive. The trend been towards fundamental questioning of economic globalization. Why should Iran act so absurdly and start defying these empirically demonstrated findings, especially now that they've proven themselves to be accurate in practice?
 
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An israeli intelligence officer is found dead after falling from (jumping off) a building.
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TOR-M1, Majid, 3rd Khordad, Mobin, sky guard, anti drone jammers.

And not a single one can detect or stop a drone from hitting one of the most sensitive (and infamous) Iranian military sites?

Where are these drones even coming from? Azeribajian? Iraqi Kurdistan? From inside Iran?

How does the general of Air Defense branch still have his job after all these drone breaches?

The drone attack on Wednesday was launched from inside Iran, not far from the Parchin military base, according to the Iranian sources with knowledge of the attack. Quadcopter drones have a short flight range, and Parchin is a long way from Iran’s borders.

The senior editor of the conservative Iranian news site Tabnnak, Mostafa Najafi, said in a Twitter post on Thursday that he later deleted: “Israel attacked a ministry of defense facility with a few suicide quadcopter drones.”
 

TOR-M1, Majid, 3rd Khordad, Mobin, sky guard, anti drone jammers.

And not a single one can detect or stop a drone from hitting one of the most sensitive (and infamous) Iranian military sites?

Where are these drones even coming from? Azeribajian? Iraqi Kurdistan? From inside Iran?

How does the general of Air Defense branch still have his job after all these drone breaches?
Quadcopters shouldn't have alot of range, it's possible these are smuggled into Iran, and used by agent inside.

The worst part, is not even that. It's the lack of follow up.

Too cowardly to act, while they are being attack with suicide drones all year round. What a shame.
 
Quadcopters shouldn't have alot of range, it's possible these are smuggled into Iran, and used by agent inside.

The worst part, is not even that. It's the lack of follow up.

Too cowardly to act, while they are being attack with suicide drones all year round. What a shame.

This attack originated in Iran according to multiple sources.

Quadcopters can easily be brought down as long as the proper systems are in place. We aren’t asking for Bavar 373 to be placed at every military facility. Protecting sensitive sites and bases against quad copters is very achievable.

It seems they are targeting Iran’s drone production and research arms.

We will be told by some members all is fine and what a positive sign this is.
 
Quadcopters shouldn't have alot of range, it's possible these are smuggled into Iran, and used by agent inside.

The worst part, is not even that. It's the lack of follow up.

Too cowardly to act, while they are being attack with suicide drones all year round. What a shame.

Idk brother, the IRGC has struck Israel several times but these operations don’t seem to be establishing any deterrence against future sabotage/assassinations in Iran.

The Erbil strike (whether successful or not) is a step in the right direction but without an increased tempo followed up by more comprehensive strikes that take undoubtedly takeout Israelis out. We will continue to see Iranian facilities and personnel be killed/damaged since there is an IMMENSE clandestine Israeli/American backed presence in the nation.

Your’re 100% correct. These quad copters are either being locally sourced or smuggled in for such clandestine operations.

This attack originated in Iran according to multiple sources.

Quadcopters can easily be brought down as long as the proper systems are in place. We aren’t asking for Bavar 373 to be placed at every military facility. Protecting sensitive sites and bases against quad copters is very achievable.

It seems they are targeting Iran’s drone production and research arms.

We will be told by some members all is fine and what a positive sign this is.

Is it that Iran simply isn’t defending such sites AT ALL, or is it that some sabotage attempts eventually make it through due to their very nature (small form factors, generally hard to detect and all that jazz).

It is a quadcopter after all and even Israel with their thick AD apparatus can’t thwart all incoming drones.
 
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