Iranian Chill Thread

[DF41]

And at least another 17 more tankers coming up

USA will be running out of doggies to do USA dirty work.

And I bet you USA will not dare to try to get back those 2 tankers from Iran

https://twitter.com/x/status/1530456664889073665

Or maybe USA poking and prodding Greece to go themselves to Iran to get those tankers back.
In the same manner USA instigated and prod Ukraine to poke the Bear in the eye as we know
USA are cowards through and through and good only at tell lies and cheating and stealing


Not just Pompeo.

All Americans are as good as Pompeo

Male or Female or trans or gays or lesbians

 

[Cancerous Tumor]

Footchal - IRNA

 

[TheImmortal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1529843734069841921

 

[Shawnee]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1529843734069841921

https://twitter.com/x/status/1529774917461368832

Tit for tat continues

Fire in several Israeli refineries

 

[Stryker1982]

Pull up your pants Sparky. The water’s fine.

Delusion people like you are the biggest danger to Iran. Ignoring problems because you don't like what it indicates.

 

[Shawnee]

Delusion people like you are the biggest danger to Iran. Ignoring problems because you don't like what it indicates.

Correct but we have to quantify “delusions”. We can’t be subjective.

Between me and @TheImmortal we have a quantifiable measure of strategic delusion that we will measure soon.

He said Ukraine war is a short war with very limited to no land gains for Russia.
I stated the opposite.

Everything is documented well.

Let’s see.

Edit:
Short war is already a lost cause.

 

[SalarHaqq]

‘That’s what I said’.

In fact, nothing fundamental has changed in Iran's posture and modus operandi.

Some people aren't well acquainted with the history of the 1980's, hence the off track moaning.

In the 1980's:

* A President of the Islamic Republic, shahid Rajai was assassinated.
* A Prime Minister of the Islamic Republic, shahid Bahonar, was assassinated.
* The headquarters of the main political formation, the Islamic Republic Party, were bombed resulting in the martyrdom of dozens including key figures of the Revolution and founding architects of the IR such as shahid Beheshti.
* There was an attempt on the life of another President, namely current Supreme Leader Khamenei (h.a.).
* Other leading personalities such as shahid Qoddusi were martyred in separate attacks.
* An Iranian civilian airliner was shot down by the US Navy, killing all on board.
* Several coup attempts were made including with the involvement of members of the armed forces. In one case, the judiciary found that there was a plan to dig a tunnel toward the humble residence of Imam Khomeini (r.a.) and martyr the latter.
* Infiltrators inside the system tried to sabotage Iranian policy (Mehdi Hashemi etc).
* Daily attacks, sabotage, killings by foreign-backed terrorist groups (MKO, separatists etc) for multiple years after the victory of the Revolution.

Did Iran follow a narrow tit for tat approach in retaliation? Negative. Did this absence of tit for tat cause defeat or lasting setbacks for Iran? Not at all, quite the opposite.

And the exact same is holding true nowadays. No difference whatsoever.

Those who try to contrast Iranian policy of the 1980's with today, and suggest Iran is now on the defensive are either inadequately informed, emotionally immature, or manipulators banking on the audience's lack of historic knowledge to conduct psy-ops on the cheap.

 

[SalarHaqq]

He said Ukraine war is a short war with very limited to no land gains for Russia.
I stated the opposite.

While Stryker1982 opined Iran is desperate to have the JCPOA reinstated.

About a year into seyyed Raisi's administration however, it should be evident that the opposite is the case. Visibly Iran is in no rush, and is perfectly willing to forego full application of the JCPOA if her conditions aren't met including side aspects not directly related to the agreement such as delisting of the IRGC by the US regime.

This is what I call resolute and principled negotiation tactics. A complete departure from the Rohani administration's defeatist attitude, held in check only by the Supreme Leader (thank God for the latter).

 

[SalarHaqq]

Death of officer exacerbates IDF intelligence unit scandal

An IDF lieutenant who served in the same unit as an intelligence officer who died while in a military prison in 2021 falls off a building three weeks ago in an apparent suicide.​

By Lilach Shoval
Published on 05-27-2022 07:53
Last modified: 05-27-2022 12:51

An IDF lieutenant who served in the same unit as the intelligence officer who died while in a military detention center in 2021 died three weeks ago by falling off a building in an apparent suicide, Israel Hayom has learned.

A preliminary investigation suggests the officer decided to end his life due to personal distress, although a connection with the death of Capt. T last year has not been ruled out.

T, who was arrested in September 2020 and was awaiting trial, was hospitalized in critical condition on the night between May 16-17, but doctors were unable to save him.

The IDF said in a statement that the officer, who had served in a technical division of the Military Intelligence Directorate, knowingly carried out a series of actions that severely compromised state security. It appeared that he acted independently, for personal rather than ideological or financial motives.

Whether the two cases are connected remains unclear, as does the question of how the Military Intelligence Directorate – which has been under scrutiny for the case of Capt. T. since last year – failed to identity the distress of one of its lieutenants.

Sources involved in the matter said the Military Intelligence Directorate might have to reexamine how it picks the IDF's best and brightest, and commanders will be expected to identity warning signs among subordinates.

Israel Hayom also learned that the officer's suicide is the fourth to occur within the same unit this month alone, a staggering number, especially compared to 2021, when 11 soldiers took their life over the span of 12 months, or 2020, when nine suicides were reported.

Nevertheless, the number of suicides by IDF soldiers has decreased in recent years as the military took steps to provide soldiers with more outreach.

https://www.israelhayom.com/2022/05/27/death-of-officer-exacerbates-idf-intelligence-unit-scandal/

 

[jauk]

Delusion people like you are the biggest danger to Iran. Ignoring problems because you don't like what it indicates.

Iranians are tough and ‘مرد عمل. Learn from us and keep your tired whiny ways to yourself and present viable solutions. You rock like your Xbox couch mate Suzie although you seem to miss the fact you don’t need to share the same controller. Tag team anyone?

 

[jauk]

In fact, nothing fundamental has changed in Iran's posture and modus operandi.

Some people aren't well acquainted with the history of the 1980's, hence the off track moaning.

In the 1980's:

* A President of the Islamic Republic, shahid Rajai was assassinated.
* A Prime Minister of the Islamic Republic, shahid Bahonar, was assassinated.
* The headquarters of the main political formation, the Islamic Republic Party, were bombed resulting in the martyrdom of dozens including key figures of the Revolution and founding architects of the IR such as shahid Beheshti.
* There was an attempt on the life of another President, namely current Supreme Leader Khamenei (h.a.).
* Other leading personalities such as shahid Qoddusi were martyred in separate attacks.
* An Iranian civilian airliner was shot down by the US Navy, killing all on board.
* Several coup attempts were made including with the involvement of members of the armed forces. In one case, the judiciary found that there was a plan to dig a tunnel toward the humble residence of Imam Khomeini (r.a.) and martyr the latter.
* Infiltrators inside the system tried to sabotage Iranian policy (Mehdi Hashemi etc).
* Daily attacks, sabotage, killings by foreign-backed terrorist groups (MKO, separatists etc) for multiple years after the victory of the Revolution.

Did Iran follow a narrow tit for tat approach in retaliation? Negative. Did this absence of tit for tat cause defeat or lasting setbacks for Iran? Not at all, quite the opposite.

And the exact same is holding true nowadays. No difference whatsoever.

Those who try to contrast Iranian policy of the 1980's with today, and suggest Iran is now on the defensive are either inadequately informed, emotionally immature, or manipulators banking on readers' lack of historic knowledge to conduct psy-ops on the cheap.

The whino twins don’t fundamentally understand these. I’ve mentioned these exactly previously as well. They sound like their skinny jeans are a size or two too skinny.

 

[TheImmortal]

He said Ukraine war is a short war with very limited to no land gains for Russia.
I stated the opposite.

Not quite, This is what I said 4/23/22

Mission creep is what killed this war:

It went from liberating the separatist republics which was a very high probability success war then it changed to taking half of Ukraine now it’s changed to taking Southern Ukraine.

Russian commander just did another mission Creep and said the entire coastline of Ukraine is our objective and connecting to the Maldova separatist republic.

How are they going to take Odessa with such a limited force?

I am seeing video of some units from Mariupol already returning back to Russia to rest. Strange considering the lack of manpower on Russian side.

Like I said the Donbass offensive is make or break. This war will have ramifications for Iran and China for years to come.

I always thought that Russia should have focused on separatist republics. I said back then it’s high probability to be an successful one.

The Blitzkreig to Kiev was not well thought out since the blitz outran its own supply chain. But I assume they thought that Ukraine forces would retreat/fall apart alongside a fleeing Zelenksy.

I am not sure your projection is any different than mine. We both agree Russia can capture the separatist republics.

Do you think they will capture Kiev? Odessa? If not then we are largely in agreement on potential territorial gains.

 

[TheImmortal]

In fact, nothing fundamental has changed in Iran's posture and modus operandi.

Some people aren't well acquainted with the history of the 1980's, hence the off track moaning.

In the 1980's:

* A President of the Islamic Republic, shahid Rajai was assassinated.
* A Prime Minister of the Islamic Republic, shahid Bahonar, was assassinated.
* The headquarters of the main political formation, the Islamic Republic Party, were bombed resulting in the martyrdom of dozens including key figures of the Revolution and founding architects of the IR such as shahid Beheshti.
* There was an attempt on the life of another President, namely current Supreme Leader Khamenei (h.a.).
* Other leading personalities such as shahid Qoddusi were martyred in separate attacks.
* An Iranian civilian airliner was shot down by the US Navy, killing all on board.
* Several coup attempts were made including with the involvement of members of the armed forces. In one case, the judiciary found that there was a plan to dig a tunnel toward the humble residence of Imam Khomeini (r.a.) and martyr the latter.
* Infiltrators inside the system tried to sabotage Iranian policy (Mehdi Hashemi etc).
* Daily attacks, sabotage, killings by foreign-backed terrorist groups (MKO, separatists etc) for multiple years after the victory of the Revolution.

Did Iran follow a narrow tit for tat approach in retaliation? Negative. Did this absence of tit for tat cause defeat or lasting setbacks for Iran? Not at all, quite the opposite.

And the exact same is holding true nowadays. No difference whatsoever.

Those who try to contrast Iranian policy of the 1980's with today, and suggest Iran is now on the defensive are either inadequately informed, emotionally immature, or manipulators banking on readers' lack of historic knowledge to conduct psy-ops on the cheap.

You are clearly intelligent, you choose to obscure and run on a unrelated tangent.

The 1980’s example was that Revolutionary Iran was more willing to take risk even in the midst of a massive war and quite limited capabilities. Even in the midst of all that you said above that happened to Iran, they conducted major operations.

I mean revolutionary Iran could only dream of having 1/4 of Iran’s current capabilities. There was no drones, missiles, etc.

I should add Rafsanjani clan weren’t yet billonaires and other corrupt clans didn’t have the chance to enrich themselves. Now various factions are risk averse and rather defend what they have than engage in risky global operations.

If you say Iran shouldn’t engage in Tit for tat that is fine. That is your opinion. But Israel has already gone on record saying that they are taking the shadow war to Iran.

Iran established a red line and General Salami went on record saying that killing IRGC officers (even in Syria) will no longer go unanswered. So why establish a redline if you don’t plan to keep it?

 

[SalarHaqq]

The 1980’s example was that Revolutionary Iran was more willing to take risk even in the midst of a massive war and quite limited capabilities.

Wrong deduction right there. Being in the midst of a massive war makes one take off the gloves, not the other way around.

Even in the midst of all that you said above that happened to Iran, they conducted major operations.

As said, if another major war was imposed on Iran, Iran would certainly conduct operations even more spectacular than those of the 1980's.

If today Iran was subjected to the same levels of destruction as during the west's proxy war waged via Saddam, then Iran's reaction would be more devastating than any of the blows she gave the enemy from 1980 to 1988.

Proportionally to intensity of enemy attacks and damage incurred, Iran today is hitting back more forcefully than during the 1980's. Iran has not become defensive nor weary of retaliating, contexts and thus warranted types of response are just different.

I should add Rafsanjani clan weren’t yet billonaires and other corrupt clans didn’t have the chance to enrich themselves.

In Rafsanjani's case, his family had been quite well off before the Revolution already.

Now various factions are risk averse and rather defend what they have than engage in risky global operations.

1) Iran never acted irrationally, as in taking potentially suicidal decisions. Not today and not during the 1980's.
2) The phrase risk averse can hardly apply to a government which is choosing to challenge the zio-American world order head on.
3) The enemy's hostility is existential in nature. To destroy Iran, they will do everything in their power that they deem affordable. Iranian officials know this and are aware that no amount of moderation will change it.

If you say Iran shouldn’t engage in Tit for tat that is fine. That is your opinion. But Israel has already gone on record saying that they are taking the shadow war to Iran.

I did not make any prescriptions but merely reminded some historic facts to underscore that in order to arrive where she is now, Iran never needed to rely on tit for tat measures in the strict mechanical sense.

Iran established a red line and General Salami went on record saying that killing IRGC officers (even in Syria) will no longer go unanswered. So why establish a redline if you don’t plan to keep it?

Such statements should be quoted precisely and their context explained to check whether they are relevant to the discussion.

Then, who says Iran isn't going to respond to shahid Khodayari's assassination in due time? Who says the zionist military intelligence official perished only days after shahid Khodayari's martyrdom, wasn't in fact eliminated by Iran? That the zionist regime is portraying it as a suicide is of no relevance, since if it wasn't suicide they wouldn't admit it to it anyway.

Speaking of red lines the zionist regime attempted to establish a red line with their regular air strikes on Syria by saying Iranian military presence there will no longer be tolerated. Well Iran has been calling the bluff in the last four to five years.

 

[TheImmortal]

Wrong deduction right there. Being in the midst of a massive war makes one take off the gloves, not the other way around.

As said, if another major war was imposed on Iran, Iran would conduct much more spectacular operations than she did in the 1980's.

Iran is in the midst of a major economic war. Cut off from the financial system. Cut off from foreign reserves. Oil tankers being attacked by Israel or seized by US or it’s puppets. Is this not a major war? This was not even happening in 1980.

And the war in 1980 was with Saddam not America in Lebanon/Saudi Arabia/etc

Rafsanjani's family had been wealthy even before the Revolution.

Again missing the overarching point to stick to literal counterpoints. The factions in Iran have a lot more to “lose” financially then back in 1980. And 5th column would love for Iran to sit back and do nothing.

1) Iran never acted irrationally, as in taking potentially suicidal decisions. Not today and not during the 1980's either.

No one is asking for irrationality. In fact, we are asking for rationality in the face of grave war crimes. No one is saying to launch 100
Missiles at Tel Aviv here.

2) The expression 'risk averse' hardly applies to a government that is choosing to challenge the zio-American world order head on.

You can be kinetically risk averse and still be anti America world order.

3) The enemy's hostility is existential in nature. To destroy Iran, they will do everything in their power that they deem affordable. Iranian officials know this, and are aware that no amount of moderation will change it.

agree with first half of your statement. Disagree with second half. What would you suggest in the face of ever increasing assassinations and sabotage on Iranian soil?

Then, who says Iran is not going to respond to shahid Khodayari's assassination in due time? Who says the zionist military intelligence official who perished only days after shahid Khodayari's martyrdom, wasn't eliminated by Iran? That the zionist regime is portraying it as a suicide is of no relevance, since if it wasn't suicide they wouldn't admit it to it anyway.

The issue is “due” time is starting to look like “never”. Which again is “fine”. Just don’t announce it anymore. Saudi Arabia also says that to Iran, but we all know Saudi Arabia won’t do anything. Maybe send some weapons to balouchi’s.

Secondly, Suicides in military is nothing new. Just Google how many Suicides happened on a single US military base and a single US navy ship. It’s astounding how many are happening. Did Iran do these as well?

Speaking of red lines the zionist regime attempted to establish a red line with their regular air strikes on Syria by saying Iranian military presence there will no longer be tolerated. Well Iran has just been calling the bluff in the last four to five years.

I believe they said they would strike to prevent Iranian entrenchment. They have largely adhered to that and then some (moved into Iraq and Iran).

Wether they accomplish their goals (unlikely) is another story.

Wrong deduction right there. Being in the midst of a massive war makes one take off the gloves, not the other way around.



As said, if another major war was imposed on Iran, Iran would conduct much more spectacular operations than she did in the 1980's.

Proportionally to intensity of enemy attacks and damage incurred, Iran today is hitting back more forcefully than during the 1980's.



Rafsanjani's family had been wealthy even before the Revolution.



1) Iran never acted irrationally, as in taking potentially suicidal decisions. Not today and not during the 1980's either.
2) The expression 'risk averse' hardly applies to a government that is choosing to challenge the zio-American world order head on.
3) The enemy's hostility is existential in nature. To destroy Iran, they will do everything in their power that they deem affordable. Iranian officials know this, and are aware that no amount of moderation will change it.



I did not make any prescriptions, but merely reminded some historic facts to underscore that in order to arrive where she is now, Iran never needed to rely on tit for tat in the strict mechanical sense.



Such statements should be quoted precisely and their context explained to see if they apply to the discussion or not.

Then, who says Iran is not going to respond to shahid Khodayari's assassination in due time? Who says the zionist military intelligence official who perished only days after shahid Khodayari's martyrdom, wasn't eliminated by Iran? That the zionist regime is portraying it as a suicide is of no relevance, since if it wasn't suicide they wouldn't admit it to it anyway.

Speaking of red lines the zionist regime attempted to establish a red line with their regular air strikes on Syria by saying Iranian military presence there will no longer be tolerated. Well Iran has just been calling the bluff in the last four to five years.