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در مورد رفتارهایی که با دانشجوهای ما در اوکراین شده، یک نکته بسیار جای گفتن داره

ما اومدیم به سفارت آمریکا حمله کردیم و بر خلاف تعهدات بین‌المللی خودمون کارمندها و دیپلمات‌های سفارت رو ۴۴۴ رو زندانی کردیم
حتی یک خبر درج نشد که آمریکایی‌ها از عمد دارن با ایرانی‌ها بد رفتاری می‌کنند و با ایرانی‌ها برخورد نژادپرستانه شده (البته شاید هم شده باشه)
در حالیکه عملاً دیپلمات‌هاشون رو گروگان گرفته بودیم و زندانی کرده بودیم
در اوکراین ما عملاً هیچ کاره هستیم و در کل این ۳ دهه رابطه با اوکراین هیچ بار بهشون بدی نکردیم اما ببینید چه برخوردی با دانشجوهای ما اونجا شده

صرفاً جهت مقایسه فرهنگ کلی آمریکا با فرهنگ عمومی اروپای شرقی​
 
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در مورد رفتارهایی که با دانشجوهای ما در اوکراین شده، یک نکته بسیار جای گفتن داره

ما اومدیم به سفارت آمریکا حمله کردیم و بر خلاف تعهدات بین‌المللی خودمون کارمندها و دیپلمات‌های سفارت رو ۴۴۴ رو زندانی کردیم
حتی یک خبر درج نشد که آمریکایی‌ها از عمد دارن با ایرانی‌ها بد رفتاری می‌کنند و با ایرانی‌ها برخورد نژادپرستانه شده (البته شاید هم شده باشه)
در حالیکه عملاً دیپلمات‌هاشون رو گروگان گرفته بودیم و زندانی کرده بودیم
در اوکراین ما عملاً هیچ کاره هستیم و در کل این ۳ دهه رابطه با اوکراین هیچ بار بهشون بدی نکردیم اما ببینید چه برخوردی با دانشجوهای ما اونجا شده

صرفاً جهت مقایسه فرهنگ کلی آمریکا با فرهنگ عمومی اروپای شرقی​
IRAN Shot down their aircraft...did Iran ever pay anything to them..I mean ACTUAL PAYMENY..

About Yemen..I put question to all interested...after UN resolution against Houthis is it time for them to declare North Yemen as independent...who will recognize them
My guess...Iran,Syria,Venezuela, may be Iraq..Cuba..Nicaragua..
 
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IRAN Shot down their aircraft...did Iran ever pay anything to them..I mean ACTUAL PAYMENY..
The authorities say we did, not as much as they claimed we had to, but

1. Are you saying we shot it down on purpose?
2. How many Ukrainians died? Last time I checked, the passengers were not Ukrainian. Only the crew.
3. Are you comparing this to holding diplomats of a country in prison for 444 days?
 
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The authorities say we did, not as much as they claimed we had to, but

1. Are you saying we shot it down on purpose?
2. How many Ukrainians died? Last time I checked, the passengers were not Ukrainian. Only the crew.
3. Are you comparing this to holding diplomats of a country in prison for 444 days?
No but to a Ukranin he does not make those distinctions..he just say you guys shot down our plane now you pay..
 
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The ridiculous role of UN in today's world...two votes one day apart:

Ukrainians fighting Russian occupation = HEROS

Houhies fighting Saudi occupation = TERRORISTS
They have the media under control, they can change people mind, even middle eastern themselves.
If you talk with average Iranian about the wars in Yemen Palestine Syria and Iraq, he will blame the victim countries for war and admire westerns for attacking them.
 
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Most of Iran's land is arid or mountainous and not really suitable for long term farming. One school of thought advocates that each country should focus exclusively on their strengths and simply trade with other nations for what they need. i mean Saudi Arabia produces 6 million barrels a day while Iran only produces something like 2.7 daily. If Iran simply doubled its crude output, the country would swimming in a healthy surplus and buying wheat or rice from say India wouldn't be an issue.

Not to say that Iran shouldn't focus on other fields but realistically Iran is an energy superpower and has huge mining potential as well. Definitely money should be spent on educating farmers and investing in more advanced and sustainable farming methods. Maybe more water regulation is the answer in regards to farming ?



Isn't Jordan a hardcore western ally ? Perhaps his people are sick and tired of the monarchy's corruption ? Ordinary Jordanians are struggling while the king leads an opulent lifestyle. He was featured in the Pandora report after all along with Aliyev. At the same time, being allied with the west is like a double edged sword, you never know when they will backstab you. Although the king of Jordan seems like a pretty loyal stooge. It would be a risk to get rid of him wouldn't it ?

1) Iran peak oil production in 1976 was 6.6M BPD.

With advancement in oil technology’s extraction tech and shale tech, Iran today if it had PROPER investment could likely be at 6M-10M BPD.

The reason most people don’t say that is because Iran would need 10 years+ of oil facility and drilling tech plus 100B+ in investments.

Just goes to show you how much WEALTH Iran missed out on. We are talking trillions of dollars add in a properly developed LNG and Gas industry and my god Iran would be a ENERGY SUPERGIANT.

If the establishment was smart, they would have struck a deal with Reagan (a popular Republican) and try to get as much ToT and investments for next 20-30 years that it could out of the US. Once it had Europe and the world dependent on its Energy Supergiant status it would be hard to be stopped with its other pursuits.

China did this path except with commercial manufacturing of consumer goods for the West.

2) I have some Jordanian friends. The economic situation is very bad. And people are no longer brainwashed to kiss the Kings feet. Islamists groups are spreading fast and Quds force has had operations to embed itself within the country covertly and overtly Iran has made economic overtures to the King but he is a Saudi pawn so he cannot accept. Jordan will be devoured by other countries when the King is ousted.

Likely will become a Muslim Brotherhood country.
 
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I don't like Rouhani but draught and shortage of water is one of key factor in past 3 years ...

So we had to import so much wheats ( we are not food secure )

its sad that I can't find this kind of info in Iran official site but USA has these ...
no ,its not a factor t all , wasting 90% of country water resources on farming like people did it 7000 year ago is the real reason for that.
 
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No but to a Ukranin he does not make those distinctions..he just say you guys shot down our plane now you pay..
Ukrainians don't give a **** about the airplane incident. After all, except for the crew, none of the passengers were Ukrainian. Don't whitewash xenophobia in Eastern Europe.
 
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If you had said this before the JCPOA, I would've agreed with you. But sadly we both saw how 4 rounds of UNSC sanctions on Iran finally convinced the leadership to negotiate over our nuclear program and accept the JCPOA.

The war in Yemen is not going to lead to severe sanctions or other threats by the UN Security Council against Iran. I doubt China and Russia are going to use Yemen-related UNSC resolutions to extract concessions from Iran. When they refrained from opposing their vetoes on Yemen, it's not Iran which they had on their minds. Of course the Iranian nuclear file is a different matter.

Again, before the Raeesi administration, I blamed the JCPOA on the Europhile liberals in the reformist camp. But recent events and the fact that as we speak, the National Security Council is busy studying the restoration of the JCPOA, shows that the JCPOA was in fact a decision made by the system and the UNSC resolutions were a big part of why they had to do it.

For almost two months now, nearly every meeting in Vienna has been portrayed by some western media as the "final concluding round" of talks. According to Mohammad Marandi, himself a member of the Iranian negotiating team, western news corporations went as far as publishing misinformation on the supposed terms of an upcoming agreement.

Whereas to this day, no understanding has been reached. And the reason is that Iran has been standing firm on its decision not to accept a return to the initial conditions of the JCPOA with its numerous flaws, and is demanding guarantees instead. Iran stands to come out on top this time around.

The way I see it, the JCPOA itself, while limiting certain aspects of Iran's peaceful civilian nuclear program - many on a temporary basis, potentially could produce some benefits for Iran as well, as long as it is not the liberals who will reap these benefits (and liberals are not in charge at the moment). The real danger of the JCPOA for Iran's geostrategic position and long-term security did not stem from the terms of the nuclear agreement per se, but from two incidental factors: one, the door it opened towards similar negotiations on Iran's missiles and regional alliances; two, the risk that Iran could end up getting fully integrated into the so-called "international community", read the western- and globalist-dominated world order, with a subsequent loss of political and cultural sovereignty resulting in definitive national and societal uprooting. But with revolutionaries / principlists in control, these risks will be averted.

در مورد رفتارهایی که با دانشجوهای ما در اوکراین شده، یک نکته بسیار جای گفتن داره

ما اومدیم به سفارت آمریکا حمله کردیم و بر خلاف تعهدات بین‌المللی خودمون کارمندها و دیپلمات‌های سفارت رو ۴۴۴ رو زندانی کردیم

The US regime was violating international norms before, by turning its so-called "embassy" into an illegal spy central used among other things to:

- Overthrow an elected government in a CIA-orchestrated military coup in 1953.
- Interfere in Iranian domestic affairs, vassalize the Iranian state, directly assist the latter in persecuting dissidents.
- Infiltrate Iranian institutions, corrupt Iranian officials, civil servants and security personnel by buying their loyalty and services.
- Interfere in the internal affairs of other states of the region with the Tehran "embassy" serving as an main operational hub.

So in terms of respecting international regulations, Iranian students were essentially reacting to violations committed by the US "embassy", which used to trample upon Iran's sovereignty. And although the arrest of "embassy" personnel was sanctioned by state authorities later on - essentially because Washington and allies were refusing to hand over the shah, at the onset it remained a spontaneous action by students in the midst of revolutionary upheaval and turmoil.

حتی یک خبر درج نشد که آمریکایی‌ها از عمد دارن با ایرانی‌ها بد رفتاری می‌کنند و با ایرانی‌ها برخورد نژادپرستانه شده (البته شاید هم شده باشه)

There was, actually. Mass hysteria ensued in America, leading to more than one instance of Iranian residents being harassed and even physically assaulted during the 1980's. Naturally that's leaving aside the many millions of US citizens too uneducated to even know there's a country named Iran.
 
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I don't like Rouhani but draught and shortage of water is one of key factor in past 3 years ...

So we had to import so much wheats ( we are not food secure )

its sad that I can't find this kind of info in Iran official site but USA has these ...

Agricultural self sufficiency is a matter of national security and should enjoy upmost priority. In addition, there can be no generalized and sustained industrial development in a country the size of Iran without a strong agricultural basis. Liberal fifth columnists seek to end agricultural production inside Iran, with the exception of a few GMO-infested crops of questionable healthiness. So they use water shortages as a pretext to push their agenda - even though these are a region-wide phenomenon that has not even spared the zionist regime, an entity historically praised by world powers for the performance of its agricultural sector. Likewise, liberals seek to make Iran a mono-sectorial exporter of crude oil and gas, shutting down almost every other industry it took such efforts to develop, under the baseless pretext of insufficient international competitivity.
 
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Follow the money: how Russia will bypass western economic warfare

The US and EU are over-reaching on Russian sanctions. The end result could be the de-dollarization of the global economy and massive commodity shortages worldwide.

By Pepe Escobar
March 01 2022

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So a congregation of NATO’s top brass ensconced in their echo chambers target the Russian Central Bank with sanctions and expect what? Cookies?

What they got instead was Russia’s deterrence forces bumped up to “a special regime of duty” – which means the Northern and Pacific fleets, the Long-Range Aviation Command, strategic bombers and the entire Russian nuclear apparatus on maximum alert.

One Pentagon general very quickly did the basic math on that, and mere minutes later, a Ukrainian delegation was dispatched to conduct negotiations with Russia in an undisclosed location in Gomel, Belarus.

Meanwhile, in the vassal realms, the German government was busy “setting limits to warmongers like Putin” – quite a rich undertaking considering that Berlin never set any such limits for western warmongers who bombed Yugoslavia, invaded Iraq, or destroyed Libya in complete violation of international law.

While openly proclaiming their desire to “stop the development of Russian industry,” damage its economy, and “ruin Russia” – echoing American edicts on Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, Cuba, Venezuela and others in the Global South – the Germans could not possibly recognize a new categorical imperative.

They were finally liberated from their WWII culpability complex by none other than Russian President Vladimir Putin. Germany is finally free to support and weaponize neo-Nazis out in the open all over again – now of the Ukrainian Azov battalion variety.

To get the hang of how these NATO sanctions will “ruin Russia,” I asked for the succinct analysis of one of the most competent economic minds on the planet, Michael Hudson, author, among others, of a revised edition of the must-read Super-Imperialism: The Economic Strategy of American Empire.

Hudson remarked how he is “simply numbed over the near-atomic escalation of the US.” On the confiscation of Russian foreign reserves and cut-off from SWIFT, the main point is “it will take some time for Russia to put in a new system, with China. The result will end dollarization for good, as countries threatened with ‘democracy’ or displaying diplomatic independence will be afraid to use US banks.”

This, Hudson says, leads us to “the great question: whether Europe and the Dollar Bloc can buy Russian raw materials – cobalt, palladium, etc, and whether China will join Russia in a minerals boycott.”

Hudson is adamant that “Russia’s Central Bank, of course, has foreign bank assets in order to intervene in exchange markets to defend its currency from fluctuations. The ruble has plunged. There will be new exchange rates. Yet it’s up to Russia to decide whether to sell its wheat to West Asia, that needs it; or to stop selling gas to Europe via Ukraine, now that the US can grab it.”

About the possible introduction of a new Russia-China payment system bypassing SWIFT, and combining the Russian SPFS (System for Transfer of Financial Messages) with the Chinese CIPS (Cross-Border Interbank Payment System), Hudson has no doubts “the Russian-China system will be implemented. The Global South will seek to join and at the same time keep SWIFT – moving their reserves into the new system.”

I’m going to de-dollarize myself

So the US itself, in another massive strategic blunder, will speed up de-dollarization. As the managing director of Bocom International Hong Hao told the Global Times, with energy trade between Europe and Russia de-dollarized, “that will be the beginning of the disintegration of dollar hegemony.”

It’s a refrain the US administration was quietly hearing last week from some of its own largest multinational banks, including notables like JPMorgan and Citigroup.

A Bloomberg article sums up their collective fears:
“Booting Russia from the critical global system – which handles 42 million messages a day and serves as a lifeline to some of the world’s biggest financial institutions – could backfire, sending inflation higher, pushing Russia closer to China, and shielding financial transactions from scrutiny by the west. It might also encourage the development of a SWIFT alternative that could eventually damage the supremacy of the US dollar.”

Those with IQs over 50 in the European Union (EU) must have understood that Russia simply could not be totally excluded from SWIFT, but maybe only a few of its banks: after all, European traders depend on Russian energy.

From Moscow’s point of view, that’s a minor issue. A number of Russian banks are already connected to China’s CIPS system. For instance, if someone wants to buy Russian oil and gas with CIPS, payment must be in the Chinese yuan currency. CIPS is independent of SWIFT.

Additionally, Moscow already linked its SPFS payment system not only to China but also to India and member nations of the Eurasia Economic Union (EAEU). SPFS already links to approximately 400 banks.

With more Russian companies using SPFS and CIPS, even before they merge, and other maneuvers to bypass SWIFT, such as barter trade – largely used by sanctioned Iran – and agent banks, Russia could make up for at least 50 percent in trade losses.

The key fact is that the flight from the US-dominated western financial system is now irreversible across Eurasia – and that will proceed in tandem with the internationalization of the yuan.

Russia has its own bag of tricks

Meanwhile, we’re not even talking yet about Russian retaliation for these sanctions. Former President Dmitry Medvedev already gave a hint: everything, from exiting all nuclear arms deals with the US to freezing the assets of western companies in Russia, is on the table.

So what does the “Empire of Lies” want? (Putin terminology, on Monday’s meeting in Moscow to discuss the response to sanctions.)

In an essay published this morning, deliciously titled America Defeats Germany for the Third Time in a Century: the MIC, OGAM and FIRE conquer NATO, Michael Hudson makes a series of crucial points, starting with how “NATO has become Europe’s foreign policy-making body, even to the point of dominating domestic economic interests.”

He outlines the three oligarchies in control of US foreign policy:

First is the military-industrial complex, which Ray McGovern memorably coined as MICIMATT (military industrial Congressional intelligence media academia think tank).

Hudson defines their economy base as “monopoly rent, obtained above all from its arms sales to NATO, to West Asian oil exporters and to other countries with a balance-of-payments surplus.”

Second is the oil and gas sector, joined by mining (OGAM). Their aim is “to maximize the price of energy and raw materials so as to maximize natural resource rent. Monopolizing the Dollar Area’s oil market and isolating it from Russian oil and gas has been a major US priority for over a year now, as the Nord Stream 2 pipeline from Russia to Germany threatened to link the western European and Russian economies together.”

Third is the “symbiotic” Finance, Insurance and Real Estate (FIRE) sector, which Hudson defines as “the counterpart to Europe’s old post-feudal landed aristocracy living by land rents.”

As he describes these three rentier sectors that completely dominate post-industrial finance capitalism at the heart of the western system, Hudson notes how “Wall Street always has been closely merged with the oil and gas industry (namely, the Citigroup and Chase Manhattan banking conglomerates).”

Hudson shows how “the most pressing US strategic aim of NATO confrontation with Russia is soaring oil and gas prices. In addition to creating profits and stock market gains for US companies, higher energy prices will take much of the steam out of the German economy.”

He warns how food prices will rise “headed by wheat.” (Russia and Ukraine account for 25 percent of world wheat exports.) From a Global South perspective, that’s a disaster: “This will squeeze many West Asian and Global South food-deficient countries, worsening their balance of payments and threatening foreign debt defaults.”

As for blocking Russian raw materials exports, “this threatens to cause breaks in supply chains for key materials, including cobalt, palladium, nickel, aluminum.”

And that leads us, once again, to the heart of the matter: “The long-term dream of the US new Cold Warriors is to break up Russia, or at least to restore its managerial kleptocracy seeking to cash in their privatizations in western stock markets.”

That’s not going to happen. Hudson clearly sees how “the most enormous unintended consequence of US foreign policy has been to drive Russia and China together, along with Iran, Central Asia and countries along the Belt and Road initiative.”

Let’s confiscate some technology

Now compare all of the above with the perspective of a central European business tycoon with vast interests, east and west, and who treasures his discretion.

In an email exchange, the business tycoon posed serious questions about the Russian Central Bank support for its national currency, the ruble, “which according to US planning is being destroyed by the west through sanctions and currency wolf packs who are exposing themselves by selling rubles short.

There is really almost no amount of money that can beat the dollar manipulators against the ruble. A 20 percent interest rate will kill the Russian economy unnecessarily.”

The businessman argues that the chief effect of the rate hike “would be to support imports that should not be imported. The fall of the ruble is thus favorable to Russia in terms of self-sufficiency. As import prices rise, these goods should start to be produced domestically. I would just let the ruble fall to find its own level which will for a while be lower than natural forces would permit as the US will be driving it lower through sanctions and short selling manipulation in this form of economic war against Russia.”

But that seems to tell only part of the story. Arguably, the lethal weapon in Russia’s arsenal of responses has been identified by the head of the Center for Economic Research of the Institute of Globalization and Social Movements (IGSO), Vasily Koltashov: the key is to confiscate technology – as in Russia ceasing to recognize US rights to patents.

In what he qualifies as “liberating American intellectual property,” Koltashov calls for passing a Russian law on “friendly and unfriendly states. If a country turns out to be on the unfriendly list, then we can start copying its technologies in pharmaceuticals, industry, manufacturing, electronics, medicine. It can be anything – from simple details to chemical compositions.” This would require amendments to the Russian constitution.

Koltashov maintains that “one of the foundations of success of American industry was copying of foreign patents for inventions.” Now, Russia could use “China’s extensive know-how with its latest technological production processes for copying western products: the release of American intellectual property will cause damage to the United States to the amount of $10 trillion, only in the first stage. It will be a disaster for them.”

As it stands, the strategic stupidity of the EU beggars belief. China is ready to grab all Russian natural resources – with Europe left as a pitiful hostage of the oceans and of wild speculators. It looks like a total EU-Russia split is ahead – with little trade left and zero diplomacy.

Now listen to the sound of champagne popping all across the MICIMATT.

 
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The ridiculous role of UN in today's world...two votes one day apart:

Ukrainians fighting Russian occupation = HEROS

Houhies fighting Saudi occupation = TERRORISTS
Yes,the vicious blood thirsty base hypocrisy on display here is truly sickening beyond all belief.
Ultimately tho,displays of hypocrisy on this scale often tend to come with a high price of one sort or another,in this case the likely further eroding of the wests moral and political authority/credibility on the global stage.
The sad part is that this entire situation should`ve been both obvious and oh-so easily avoidable long before it came to pass,so long as the political will was there of course,but then one only needs to look at the middle east to see that the west has seemingly never learned the lesson of unintended consequences.
 
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Realistically most of Iran's terrain is arid and mountainous, not really suitable for agricultural production. Every nation has strengths and weaknesses. Iran's strength is the fact that it's an energy super power, with the 2nd largest reserves of natural gas and the 4th largest reserves of crude in the world. Iran also has massive potential in the mining industry which is largely untapped.

I'm not saying that Iran should give up on all other industries, but first and foremost, the government should focus on optimizing these industries. Iran produces 2.7 million barrels a day right now. Saudis produce 6 million. During the Shah era Iran produced 6 million barrels a day. Obviously the war in the 80's had a detrimental effect on production and even in the 90's some analysts were expecting Iran to run out of oil within 20 years.

However with now know that Iran has more than enough oil to last for decades and with the industrialized world starting to lean more towards renewables for the future, it makes sense for Iran to pump out as much oil as possible. Realistically focusing on the energy sector and mining, Iran could easily have a massive surplus. The country could be extremely wealthy.

With all that accumulated wealth, Iran could then invest in modernizing its farming sector, the automotive industry, science and technology sectors. Recently the sanctions on Iran have largely failed because pretty much every nation in the world needs fuel and raw materials. If this has proven anything its that energy and raw materials are largely sanction proof. More reason to for Iran to focus on these industries.

Comparing Iran to Israel is not a fair comparison. Israel is a tiny, coastal country, with a small population that receives billions from the US government in funding, grants, technology. Israel's land is extremely fertile since its adjacent to a large body of water. This makes their land very suitable for agriculture and with all the funding and technology they receive from the west, desalination plants easily provide adequate water for their tiny population.

Agricultural self sufficiency is a matter of national security and should enjoy upmost priority. In addition, there can be no generalized and sustained industrial development in a country the size of Iran without a strong agricultural basis. Liberal fifth columnists seek to end agricultural production inside Iran, with the exception of a few GMO-infested crops of questionable healthiness. So they use water shortages as a pretext to push their agenda - even though these are a region-wide phenomenon that has not even spared the zionist regime, an entity historically praised by world powers for the performance of its agricultural sector. Likewise, liberals they seek to make Iran a mono-sectorial exporter of crude oil and gas, shutting down almost every other industry it took such efforts to develop, under the baseless pretext of insufficient international competitivity.
 
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