Iranian Chill Thread

[rmi5]

I don't know if you have learned this 'dogmatism' word just recently, since you like so much to use it. Why should I change my opinion when I'm not convinced that I'm wrong? Can't I say the same thing about you since you always let your hatred drive your opinion and are even also ready to lie for it?

There is no law that says non-Persian languages should use 50% Persian words. Even a 2 year old will laugh at it. Who the hell is going to count percentage of Farsi words used? You could use another more appropriate lie at least.

Before I write the previous post, I did search for it and found nothing, because no such stupid law exists, perhaps except for you.

You prove to me that this 'law' exists and then I won't be 'dogmatic' and will change my opinion. I have heard Turkish on tv and I haven't noticed any '50% Farsi words. Are there Farsi words in Azeri Turkish spoken in Iran? Of course, there are many words, because we are living in the same country, just like there are many Turkish words in Farsi, and it's a fact.

You are dogmatic and racist.
You were/are also denying racism, while the representative of your parliament himself, said that the budget spent for Isfahan(Persian city) has been 90 times more than the one spent for West Azerbaijan during the whole Pahlavi + islamic republic era. Since I know you would troll like this very quoted post of yours, I prefer not to waste my time.

 

[Serpentine]

@Serpentine

Forget about the "percentage", but it's fact that they exaggerate it somehow. So much that even I have noticed it in my few encounters with Turkish language Iranian broadcasting, and I believe rmi5 talks about what he has read in local Iranian (Turkish) websites itself, so it's pretty real. I don't know why they do that, better ask them.

My brother in law is a Turk from Urmia and I'll make sure to ask him about anything weird in Turkish spoken on national television. If he notices it, it means something is off and if not, that means that there is no problem.

Why always looking for conspiracy theories? Azeri Turks and rest of us have been part of this county since like forever, so I don't understand why this is so weird if both of our languages have affected each other. Of course you can't expect the Turkish spoken in Iran to be the same as one spoken in your country.

But if against all the odds, it's proved to me that such a stupid law exists, I'll change my mind for sure.

You are dogmatic and racist.
You were/are also denying racism, while the representative of your parliament himself, said that the budget spent for Isfahan(Persian city) has been 90 times more than the one spent for West Azerbaijan during the whole Pahlavi + islamic republic era. Since I know you would troll like this very quoted post of yours, I prefer not to waste my time.

Now it's proved again that you are out of arguments and used your amateurish ways of diversion. Just simply say that you can't prove your own word, simple as that.

Btw, since you used an example that even a 2 year old wouldn't use, would you please also compare Isfahan's budget with 'Persian' impoversihed provinces like South Khorasan, North Khorsan, Semnan and Yazd? Why only with western Azerbaijan province?

Take these 'Gunaz tv' like rants to those people who are illiterate enough to believe such stupid arguments.

 

[-SINAN-]

Tabriz - Qäydäş
Other dialects - Qardaş

A basic example of "softening" in Tabriz dialect.

Qäydäş sounds gay....

We say Kardeş

In Ankara, people say "Gardaş" more strong form.

 

[ASQ-1918]

My brother in law is a Turk from Urmia and I'll make sure to ask him about anything weird in Turkish spoken on national television. If he notices it, it means something is off and if not, that means that there is no problem.

Why always looking for conspiracy theories? Azeri Turks and rest of us have been part of this county since like forever, so I don't understand why this is so weird if both of our languages have affected each other. Of course you can't expect the Turkish spoken in Iran to be the same as one spoken in your country.

But if against all the odds, it's proved to me that such a stupid law exists, I'll change my mind for sure.

I'm not, it was mentioned and so I stated something I had noticed as well. If I could found that video, I could explain. But whatever, not really important.

I'm not saying there is some kind of "law", and I don't know the reason why some talk like that on television. Just my observation from language point of view.

 

[rmi5]

Mate these random particles popping around and between the plates.

Isn't uncertainty is the reason why these particles randomly popping in the area ?

No, the reason is time traveling to the past It simply means that causality is garbage since something in future has determined your present time. In contrast to common believe of common people about time, time is not like moving on a liner axis, but it is like a set of complex numbers forming surface of a sphere. Basically, such projection shows why asking what has happened before big bang is a non-sense question. It is like asking what is the point in the south of south pole of a sphere

 

[rmi5]

Now it's proved again that you are out of arguments and used your amateurish ways of diversion. Just simply say that you can't prove your own word, simple as that.

Btw, since you used an example that even a 2 year old wouldn't use, would you please also compare Isfahan's budget with 'Persian' impoversihed provinces like South Khorasan, North Khorsan, Semnan and Yazd? Why only with western Azerbaijan province?

Take these 'Gunaz tv' like rants to those people who are illiterate enough to believe such stupid arguments.

I told you. Your answer is always trolling and saying bunch of non-sense like this post of yours. Anyway, there is no medicine for people like you.

 

[Azizam]

that's right. cuz they can't translate it's rhythm (we call " وزن " ) or they can't give you the exact meaning or professions of a poem.



lol then why we call him lahori? maybe cuz he spent most of his life and died in lahor.

anyway you should learn persian man.
" His love of the Persian language is evident in his works and poetry. He says in one of his poems:

گرچہ ہندی در عذوبت شکر است

garche Hindi dar uzūbat shekkar ast

طرز گفتار دري شيرين تر است

tarz-e goftar-e Dari shirin tar ast

Translation: Even though in sweetness Hindi* is sugar – (but) speech method in Dari (Persian) is sweeter *


goodnight fellas

Yeah mam gotta agree. Persian language sounds better or sweeter than any other language out there but English in British accent sounds posh.

 

[Serpentine]

I'm not, it was mentioned and so I stated something I had noticed as well. If I found that video, I could explain. But whatever, not really important.
I'm not saying there is some kind of "law", and I don't know the reason.

The reason of my reaction was that this 'law' or anything like that is so stupid that I couldn't take it.
Law or not, if such thing or regulation exists for people who talk on tv, to force them to speak differently compared to their mother tongue or how they naturally speak, it will change my mind about many things.

As you said correctly, language spoken in Tabriz and Urmia use much more Persian words and it's natural. But in some rural areas, their language has remained more intact and less influenced, In a way that I have even heard there are some structures used in rural areas that are either not understood by urbanized Azeris or very odd for them. Not only for Turkish, but other languages spoken in Iran. It's natural because urbanized people have better access to media and people who speak a language other than Turkish.

I told you. Your answer is always trolling and saying bunch of non-sense like this post of yours. Anyway, there is no medicine for people like you.

Once again, out of answers.

 

[KingMamba]

that's right. cuz they can't translate it's rhythm (we call " وزن " ) or they can't give you the exact meaning or professions of a poem.



lol then why we call him lahori? maybe cuz he spent most of his life and died in lahor.

anyway you should learn persian man.
" His love of the Persian language is evident in his works and poetry. He says in one of his poems:

گرچہ ہندی در عذوبت شکر است

garche Hindi dar uzūbat shekkar ast

طرز گفتار دري شيرين تر است

tarz-e goftar-e Dari shirin tar ast

Translation: Even though in sweetness Hindi* is sugar – (but) speech method in Dari (Persian) is sweeter *


goodnight fellas

Yeah he died in Lahore probably that is why. Yeah man I will for sure.

 

[ای ایران]

I don't only mean in terms of loanwords. Certain sentence constructions of Tabriz dialect are Persian influenced, and also the vowel harmony is disrupted. There is a general "softening" of speech, almost the way Persians speak. But I don't know if this was a "newer" development or not.

But what I mean is even beyond that, it's not even just the overdose of Persian words, the way they construct sentences is totally alien. I remember seeing interviews with so-called Turkish members of Iranian majlis, the way they spoke simply amazed me, and I don't even remember it that well (everything wrong with their speech). if I find that video I can post and compare the way they talked, and the proper form they should had. It really seems like some kind of secret "law" like you describe.

I dont understand the point you are trying to make. Persian is not a foreign language to Azerbaijan. Just because it is not the mother tongue of Azeris, it is still not foreign to that region or people. The original Azeri/Azari language wasnt Turkic and even after the language of the region started changing with the Qezelbash settlements the Safavids still used and promoted Persian as their language of court and of writing. It is a precedent that was set before them and one which they maintained all over Iran, just like every other dynasty and regime that came after them.

Do you really think that some bogus Russian orientalism will detach Azerbaijan from Iran?

You must be suffering from some kind of inferiority complex vis-a-vis Russian cultural domination. Attacking Persian culture and language over the internet from a place of ignorance isnt going to help you achieve anything.

 

[ASQ-1918]

What the hell are you talking about? Anything relevant to what I said?

And keep your boring stories to yourself.

At least Serpentine has some sense, for example he's aware that rural people in most cases are not bilingual (only speaking in Turkish) and that Persian has spread only because of modern-day schools and mostly in urban areas obviously.

Your last two lines makes absolutely no sense, you don't know what the hell your talking about, or what I was talking about for that matter.

 

[ای ایران]

What the hell are you talking about? Anything relevant to what I said?

And keep your boring stories to yourself. The language of Azerbaijan is "Turki" and they are Turks, "Azeri/Azari" is a made-up term, which for example does not exist in Azerbaijan Republic.At least Serpentine has some sense, for example hes aware that rural people in most cases are not bilingual (only speaking in Turkish) and that Persian has spread only because of modern-day schools and mostly in urban areas obviously, that should tell you if Persian is foreign to them or not.

Your last two lines makes absolutely no sense, you don't know what the hell your talking about, or what I was talking about for that matter.

I dont care about Azerbaijan Republic and i see straight through your snide bullshit, so drop it. Everything about that country down to the suffixes you use on your names is a product of Russian occupation, imperialism and orientalism. It isnt an achievement of your own doing, its the result of an imposition on you right down to the drawing of its borders and choice of Baku as its capital city. But i am not sorry about that, good for them for being Russified-Turks. They still share their culture with Iran however, no matter how much that makes you feel insecure about your national identity. There's no point even trying to deny this and claim that Persian is foreign to Azerbaijan. This land is Iran as Shiraz is and will always be, and Persian will always have a place there in some form or another because the people dont oppose it or consider it foreign, unlike what you wish.

 

[ای ایران]

What the hell are you talking about? Anything relevant to what I said?

And keep your boring stories to yourself. It's especially weird when you seemingly Islamists pop-up with those ridiculous Pan-Iranist theories. @Serpentine, a part of the problem is people like these who cannot even accept Turks of Azerbaijan for what they are.

At least Serpentine has some sense, for example he's aware that rural people in most cases are not bilingual (only speaking in Turkish) and that Persian has spread only because of modern-day schools and mostly in urban areas obviously, that should tell you if Persian is foreign to them or not.

Your last two lines makes absolutely no sense, you don't know what the hell your talking about, or what I was talking about for that matter.

Ps, since you edited your post. I am not an Islamist. I dont give a shit about political Islam or velayat-e faghih. And i do accept you for what you are, and i am happy for you that your country is independent. Good for you. It is people like you that are insecure and in denial about how deeply entwined your Republic is historically and culturally with Iran.

 

[ASQ-1918]

I dont care about Azerbaijan Republic and i see straight through your snide bullshit, so drop it. Everything about that country down to the suffixes you use on your names is a product of Russian occupation, imperialism and orientalism. It isnt an achievement of your own doing, its the result of an imposition on you right down to the drawing of its borders and choice of Baku as its capital city. But i am not sorry about that, good for them for being Russified-Turks. They still share their culture with Iran however, no matter how much that makes you feel insecure about your national identity. There's no point even trying to deny this and claim that Persian is foreign to Azerbaijan. This land is Iran as Shiraz is and will always be, and Persian will always have a place there in some form or another because the people dont oppose it or consider it foreign, unlike what you wish.

Still makes no sense. None of what you wrote has any relevance with the discussion we had.

@Serpentine, just for the sake of avoiding unneccessary trolling and repetition of things said millionth times, please delete these posts.

 

[ای ایران]

Still makes no sense. None of what you wrote has any relevance with the discussion.