Iranian Chill Thread

[-SINAN-]

It didn't work for me, then again I was just an innocent casually strolling into the thread only to be bombarded with that.

This is much more understandable...

But you have to be familiar with the Heisenberg's uncertainty princible to get a meaning out of it;

 

[rmi5]

So bro how did you learn Azeri Turkish? I know you are fluent in both Farsi and Turkish, did you learn it in Iran as well? I would like to learn Farsi and Turkish myself but if I learn Turkish it will probably be the one that people in Turkey speak.

I am not fluent in Turkish, but I am fluent in Farsi. No, there is no turkish education in Iran. I have learnt some turkish from my parents, and pretty recently started to learn the Turkish writing as well. I think now I am getting mastered at Azeri keyboard. Hopefully, it is extremely easy.

 

[rmi5]

at the moment i have so many questions about it .but one thing i know. you absolutely made my day and opened a new door on my worldview and thank you very much for the time you spent to give a complete answer . i am reading it. i don't know how i missed it till now .

No problem

INSHAALLAH it's my pleasure .thanks.

 

[ASQ-1918]

the reason for that exaggeration is the law that I mentioned

That's not true, bro. Specially if you look at how older people talk in Tabriz, that's not the case. Also, there is a trend among youth and children to getting their spoken language closer to Istanbul turkish(We call Turkish as "Istanbul Turkish", and call Azerbaijani as "Turkish"), which is because of the heavy influence of Turkish channels.

I don't only mean in terms of loanwords. Certain sentence constructions of Tabriz dialect are Persian influenced, and also the vowel harmony is disrupted. There is a general "softening" of speech, almost the way Persians speak. But I don't know if this was a "newer" development or not.

But what I mean is even beyond that, it's not even just the overdose of Persian words, the way they construct sentences is totally alien. I remember seeing interviews with so-called Turkish members of Iranian majlis, the way they spoke simply amazed me, and I don't even remember it that well (everything wrong with their speech). if I find that video I can post and compare the way they talked, and the proper form they should had. It really seems like some kind of secret "law" like you describe.

 

[Serpentine]

some languages have limited hours of TV broadcasting(1 TV channel), but they need to use at least 50% of Farsi words in their

the reason for that exaggeration is the law that I mentioned

Where is that 'law'? I have never heard of any stupid law like this and since you say it's a law, provide a link or source for it.

 

[rmi5]

This is much more understandable...

But you have to be familiar with the Heisenberg's uncertainty princible to get a meaning out of it;

Uncertainty and Casimir effect are not directly related, bro. but it is good to know them both. Both have immense philosophical connotations. One rejects the absolutism, and made tons of discussion in Copenhagen interpretation, and another one discredits causality

 

[rmi5]

I don't only mean in terms of loanwords. Certain sentence constructions of Tabriz dialect are Persian influenced, and also the vowel harmony is disrupted. There is a general "softening" of speech, almost the way Persians speak. But I don't know if this was a "newer" development or not.

But what I mean is even beyond that, it's not even just the overdose of Persian words, the way they construct sentences is totally alien. I remember seeing interviews with so-called Turkish members of Iranian majlis, the way they spoke simply amazed me, if I find that video I can post and compare the way they talked, and the proper form they should had. It really seems like some kind of secret "law" like you describe.

I know what you mean bro. I do endorse that Tabriz accent has some differences with the rest of South Azerbaijani accent. But, it was something that is fading away.

 

[rmi5]

Where is that 'law'? I have never heard of any stupid law like this and since you say it's a law, provide a link or source for it.

The law is for the national TV. Anyway, I have never seen you change your opinions in a discussion, which is alarming something called "Dogmatism". As far as sources are concerned, just do a simple search in Farsi, and you would find out tons of material about it I am not falling in your trap of asking sources, then talking BS about every single one of them, even if Zarghami, himself, has said that.

 

[ASQ-1918]

I know what you mean bro. I do endorse that Tabriz accent has some differences with the rest of South Azerbaijani accent. But, it was something that is fading away.

Tabriz - Qäydäş
Other dialects - Qardaş

A basic example of "softening" in Tabriz dialect.

 

[rahi2357]

Hello rahi, I would like to know if you guys read Allama Iqbal's farsi works in Iran still today?

Hi . off course. here we call him " Iqbal lahoori " . we know him more as a poet. we had also 2 literature lessons about him during school time .
ای غنچه خوابیده چو نرگس نگران خیز

کاشانه ما رفت به تاراج غمان خیز

از ناله مرغ چمن از بانگ اذان خیز

از گرمی هنگامه آتش نفسان خیز

از خواب گران، خواب گران، خواب گران خیز،

ازخواب گران خیز!

 

[KingMamba]

Hi . off course. here we call him " Iqbal lahoori " . we know him more as a poet. we had also 2 literature lessons about him during school time .

دل ما بیدلان بردند و رفتند

مثال شعله افسردند و رفتند



بیا یک لحظه با عامان درآمیز

که خاصان باده ها خوردند و رفتند

Good to know, one of the reasons I want to learn farsi is to read his works. Many of his works I cannot read because they are in farsi, only his urdu or english works. I can read the english translations but that takes away from the poem.

Funny you call him Lahori but he was not from Lahore but my city of Sailkot.

 

[rmi5]

Tabriz - Qäydäş
Other dialects - Qardaş

A basic example of "softening" in Tabriz dialect.

Yup, exactly. Anyway, İ am not tebrizli, so I need to ask my tebrizli friends to understand why they have such thing. I think it's maybe not related to farsi, like in your example, but I need to do some search about it then get back to you.

 

[Serpentine]

The law is for the national TV. Anyway, I have never seen you change your opinions in a discussion, which is alarming something called "Dogmatism". As far as sources are concerned, just do a simple search in Farsi, and you would find out tons of material about it I am not falling in your trap of asking sources, then talking BS about every single one of them, even if Zarghami, himself, has said that.

I don't know if you have learned this 'dogmatism' word just recently, since you like so much to use it. Why should I change my opinion when I'm not convinced that I'm wrong? Can't I say the same thing about you since you always let your hatred drive your opinion and are even also ready to lie for it?

There is no law that says non-Persian languages should use 50% Persian words. Even a 2 year old will laugh at it. Who the hell is going to count percentage of Farsi words used? You could use another more appropriate lie at least.

Before I write the previous post, I did search for it and found nothing, because no such stupid law exists, perhaps except for you.

You prove to me that this 'law' exists and then I won't be 'dogmatic' and will change my opinion. I have heard Turkish on tv and I haven't noticed any '50% Farsi words. Are there Farsi words in Azeri Turkish spoken in Iran? Of course, there are many words, because we are living in the same country, just like there are many Turkish words in Farsi, and it's a fact.

 

[ASQ-1918]

@Serpentine

Forget about the "percentage", but it's a fact that they exaggerate it somehow (not just words). So much that even I have noticed it in my few encounters with Turkish language Iranian broadcasting, and I believe rmi5 talks about what he has read in local Iranian (Turkish) websites itself, so it's actually true. I don't know why they do that, better ask them.

 

[-SINAN-]

Uncertainty and Casimir effect are not directly related, bro. but it is good to know them both. Both have immense philosophical connotations. One rejects the absolutism, and made tons of discussion in Copenhagen interpretation, and another one discredits causality

Mate these random particles popping around and between the plates.

Isn't uncertainty is the reason why these particles randomly popping in the area ?