Iranian Air Defense Systems

[Mr Iran Eye]

Stopping to say TOR M1 has already told us for a long time. It's a different version of TOR and Pantsir new genre coming up

 

[NaCon]

Is this supposed to be TOR-M1 copy?

It appears to be hot launch system from the exhaust trap underneath the canisters.

A couple of years ago there were rumors that iran wants to buy the umkhonto AD system. Iran might have copied the system after buying some batteries or there was some kind of a transfer of technology deal with South Africa.

Umkhonto | Denel Dynamics

The Umkhonto-IR missile is a vertically-launched, high-velocity, infrared homing missile

www.deneldynamics.co.za

 

[TheImmortal]

A couple of years ago there were rumors that iran wants to buy the umkhonto AD system. Iran might have copied the system after buying some batteries or there was some kind of a transfer of technology deal with South Africa.

Umkhonto | Denel Dynamics

The Umkhonto-IR missile is a vertically-launched, high-velocity, infrared homing missile

www.deneldynamics.co.za

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Systems are pretty different. For one, Iran’s combines the radar vehicle and the battery together.

Other than a somewhat similar resemblance in canisters the design seems pretty different. Until we see the missile I wouldn’t say it’s based on the South African system.

 

[NaCon]

Systems are pretty different. For one, Iran’s combines the radar vehicle and the battery together.

Other than a somewhat similar resemblance in canisters the design seems pretty different. Until we see the missile I wouldn’t say it’s based on the South African system.

Combining the missile launcher and the radar doesn’t fundamentally change anything about the system. And besides the system is offered in multiple configurations. The one in the picture were the radar is separate from the launcher was done to increase the radar detection range. So it can engage low flying tragets like suicide drones and cruise missiles. Russians have the same configurations for their engagement radars as well.
This is an article about a potential deal that might have concluded and was not publicly announced due to obvious reasons.

ایران از آفریقای جنوبی سامانه موشکی می خرد؟+عکس - مشرق نیوز

www.mashreghnews.ir

 

[Muhammed45]

Combining the missile launcher and the radar doesn’t fundamentally change anything about the system. And besides the system is offered in multiple configurations. The one in the picture were the radar is separate from the launcher was done to increase the radar detection range. So it can engage low flying tragets like suicide drones and cruise missiles. Russians have the same configurations for their engagement radars as well.
This is an article about a potential deal that might have concluded and was not publicly announced due to obvious reasons.

ایران از آفریقای جنوبی سامانه موشکی می خرد؟+عکس - مشرق نیوز

www.mashreghnews.ir

South Africa?

You must be kidding. Impossible considering the US imposed restrictions. SA is well within American sphere of influence.

 

[NaCon]

South Africa?

You must be kidding. Impossible considering the US imposed restrictions. SA is well within American sphere of influence.

When a country is cash strapped they get desperate. Remember what the US did to their F14s so spare parts wouldn’t end up in Iran, they destroyed them.
this means the US doesn’t even trust contractors that work with US government to not sell in one way or another us technologies or weapons.

 

[Messerschmitt]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1447974162509799433

https://twitter.com/x/status/1447971892187521027

https://twitter.com/x/status/1447971087363497992

 

[SalarHaqq]

You must be kidding. Impossible considering the US imposed restrictions. SA is well within American sphere of influence.

Less than many others. Which is also why one of Iran's three major mobile phone networks is a joint-venture with South Africa's MTN Group. On the whole Pretoria has had a rather constructive relationship with Iran since the fall of the apartheid system, given Iran's significant support for the opposition to that regime.

 

[WudangMaster]

I think there is a naval version of that South African system and it was discussed for Iran in this forum before.

 

[TheImmortal]

Less than many others. Which is also why one of Iran's three major mobile phone networks is a joint-venture with South Africa's MTN Group. On the whole Pretoria has had a rather constructive relationship with Iran since the fall of the apartheid system, given Iran's significant support for the opposition to that regime.

Doesn’t mean SA just magically turned over ToT to Iran and somehow also hide the funds from the prying eyes of Uncle Sam.

It’s likely that Iran’s defense industry could have built the system on its own but it would have been cheaper to first acquire and breakdown the system. When the deal fell thru, Iran decided to proceed anyway and at a higher cost than if it had access to the system.

Iran has built MRAPs that look exactly like Strykers and other foreign MRAPs, did those companies also give Iran their blueprints?

 

[Messerschmitt]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1448019061846204420

 

[Shawnee]

@PeeD

What do you think boss?
Have we ever seen the launcher for the legend, the missile 358?

 

[SalarHaqq]

Doesn’t mean SA just magically turned over ToT to Iran and somehow also hide the funds from the prying eyes of Uncle Sam.

It’s likely that Iran’s defense industry could have built the system on its own but it would have been cheaper to first acquire and breakdown the system. When the deal fell thru, Iran decided to proceed anyway and at a higher cost than if it had access to the system.

Iran has built MRAPs that look exactly like Strykers and other foreign MRAPs, did those companies also give Iran their blueprints?

I have no idea if this new Iranian short range SAM has any connection to South Africa's Umkhonto. Most probably not, although it's not completely impossible. I merely intended to address the notion that South Africa is particularly subjugated to the US in comparison to other countries.

 

[WudangMaster]

 

[Draco.IMF]

A couple of years ago there were rumors that iran wants to buy the umkhonto AD system. Iran might have copied the system after buying some batteries or there was some kind of a transfer of technology deal with South Africa.

+ many Ukhonto engineers are retired now and many lost theyr job, its possible Iran could recruit some of them for good cash

Denel’s employee numbers shrink 15% over the last year - defenceWeb

In a presentation to the Portfolio Committee on Public Enterprises today on its annual financial results for 2019/20, Denel revealed that it had lost nearly 500 employees over the last year. The presentation by Interim Group CEO William Hlakoane showed Denel’s workforce shrinking – as of 1 April...

www.defenceweb.co.za

" Many people have left Denel over the non-payment of salaries last year – a matter that went to court and is awaiting judgement by the Labour Court. Denel Dynamics, for example, has lost almost all its engineers, many of whom have gone to work for companies in the Middle East. "

I didnt say this new Iranian AD system has something to do with them, but I also read the story Iran was interested in the Umkhonto SAM missile:

IRAN LOOKS TO BUY SOUTH AFRICA’S UMKHONTO SURFACE TO AIR MISSILE – DCSS News

blogs.plymouth.ac.uk

SA hoping to sell weapons to Iran - defenceWeb

South Africa is hoping to sell some R1.5 billion worth of weapons to Iran, including Umkhonto surface-to-air missiles. This is according to an article published in Rapport, which says South Africa has requested permission from the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) to sell Iran the weapons...

www.defenceweb.co.za