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one kowsar is 100kg and has a range of about 20km
nasr-e-basir is not that heavier and have a range of 35km
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nasr-e-basir is not that heavier and have a range of 35km
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107mm MRL only makes sense for coastal bombardment, but those small craft won't have enough fuel to reach coast on other side except strait of Hormuz.
Also have two of those close range anti ship missiles would certainly degrade performance of the fast craft and I find it funny that some have ZU-23-2...
ZU-23-2 would be more useful in canyons and mountains for low flying targets and on ships it should be replaced with MANPADS and heavier.
Then with that and air surveillance radar on some fast craft on patrol could potentially in case of war come across LACMs and shot it down.
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Those boats already have a small radar and a single kowsar is more useful than 9 of those rockets and is actually lighter
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They have maritime radars, there are bigger craft that have two ASM.
There should be some small craft with SAM capability enough to out range UH-60 and AH-64 armed with Hellfire ATGM.
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Good for cruise missiles weak against drones
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It is high time to down another US drone, even if they are not near our territories.
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I updated my Bavar-373 article with analysis of the new information, text is below. Full article at https://irangeomil.blogspot.com/2019/08/irans-bavar-373-profile.html
Update 4th January 2022
Bavar-373 has appeared on the Ministry of Defence's export page as AD-200, with a detailed specsheet improving public understanding of the system, specifically the Sayyad-4 missile.
The missile's basic proportions are very close to the 48N6E2 missile used in the S-300PMU2. Sayyad-4 has a large 180kg warhead, the same as its Russian counterpart. It has the same airframe diameter and length (not including aerodynamic control surfaces) as the 48N6E2, but is 150kg heavier at 2050kg. Despite this, it has a 200km range to the 48N6E2's 195km. This kinematic performance is quite impressive considering the extra weight, and it is reasonable to assume that later versions of the Sayyad-4 will reach similar performance to the more mature 48N6E3.
The main difference between the two is the seekers. The 48N6E2 found on the S-300PMU2 already had a very robust mode of guidance called SAGG. With the release of the specsheet, this guidance mode can also be confirmed on Sayyad-4, which has "Inertial + Update Via Data Link Semi-active". On its own, that description would describe at least a TVM system as used on the MIM-104 Patriot PAC-2. TVM sends receiver data back to the ground radar via a datalink. The ground radar then calculates the appropriate guidance commands and sends these back to the missile.
However, the specsheet says "Semi-active/ Active Radar Homing". Active Radar Homing uses a self-contained radar set which none of the 48N6 series use. ARH on long-range missiles is a feature also used on the 40N6 missile of the S-400. This also confirms that Sayyad-4 would have onboard computation, making it capable of SAGG. SAGG is best described as a more robust form of TVM, because in addition to the raw receiver data sent to the ground radar, the missile can calculate its own guidance commands, which can be datalinked to the ground radar to check for errors between the missile-computed commands and the ground radar commands. The missile can also act on its own if guidance commands from the radar are being jammed but the target is still being painted by the ground radar.
However, when defending against the S-300 or Patriot series, a defending aircraft could hide below the horizon or behind terrain to break line of sight with the ground radar. This would defeat even SAGG, which is fundamentally a SARH-based guidance mode relying on line of sight. By including an active seeker, Sayyad-4 has the ability to guide on to the target even if line of sight to the ground radar has been broken in the little time the target has to react. The use of inertial guidance also allows the ARH mode to be used based on the target's predicted flight path at the time the radar lock was broken. This is particularly useful in Iran's mountainous terrain, but also makes Bavar-373 potent in naval applications where most targets will drop to very low altitude in the final phases of flight. Bavar-373 has clearly been designed for maximum resilience against jamming and reducing the ability of the target to defend to an absolute minimum.
Update 4th January 2022
Bavar-373 has appeared on the Ministry of Defence's export page as AD-200, with a detailed specsheet improving public understanding of the system, specifically the Sayyad-4 missile.
The missile's basic proportions are very close to the 48N6E2 missile used in the S-300PMU2. Sayyad-4 has a large 180kg warhead, the same as its Russian counterpart. It has the same airframe diameter and length (not including aerodynamic control surfaces) as the 48N6E2, but is 150kg heavier at 2050kg. Despite this, it has a 200km range to the 48N6E2's 195km. This kinematic performance is quite impressive considering the extra weight, and it is reasonable to assume that later versions of the Sayyad-4 will reach similar performance to the more mature 48N6E3.
The main difference between the two is the seekers. The 48N6E2 found on the S-300PMU2 already had a very robust mode of guidance called SAGG. With the release of the specsheet, this guidance mode can also be confirmed on Sayyad-4, which has "Inertial + Update Via Data Link Semi-active". On its own, that description would describe at least a TVM system as used on the MIM-104 Patriot PAC-2. TVM sends receiver data back to the ground radar via a datalink. The ground radar then calculates the appropriate guidance commands and sends these back to the missile.
However, the specsheet says "Semi-active/ Active Radar Homing". Active Radar Homing uses a self-contained radar set which none of the 48N6 series use. ARH on long-range missiles is a feature also used on the 40N6 missile of the S-400. This also confirms that Sayyad-4 would have onboard computation, making it capable of SAGG. SAGG is best described as a more robust form of TVM, because in addition to the raw receiver data sent to the ground radar, the missile can calculate its own guidance commands, which can be datalinked to the ground radar to check for errors between the missile-computed commands and the ground radar commands. The missile can also act on its own if guidance commands from the radar are being jammed but the target is still being painted by the ground radar.
However, when defending against the S-300 or Patriot series, a defending aircraft could hide below the horizon or behind terrain to break line of sight with the ground radar. This would defeat even SAGG, which is fundamentally a SARH-based guidance mode relying on line of sight. By including an active seeker, Sayyad-4 has the ability to guide on to the target even if line of sight to the ground radar has been broken in the little time the target has to react. The use of inertial guidance also allows the ARH mode to be used based on the target's predicted flight path at the time the radar lock was broken. This is particularly useful in Iran's mountainous terrain, but also makes Bavar-373 potent in naval applications where most targets will drop to very low altitude in the final phases of flight. Bavar-373 has clearly been designed for maximum resilience against jamming and reducing the ability of the target to defend to an absolute minimum.
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New mystery AD radar sighted....
The radar on the right hand side of the pic is clearly not a Quds radar,its far too long,indeed just using crude measurements based on the actual Quds radar on the left hand side of the pic,this thing is almost two thirds longer than the Quds.In addition the transporter is very long,perhaps with 6 axles,and it looks like the radar might fold into 2 pieces with one on each side of the transporter.
So,an interesting mystery.
The radar on the right hand side of the pic is clearly not a Quds radar,its far too long,indeed just using crude measurements based on the actual Quds radar on the left hand side of the pic,this thing is almost two thirds longer than the Quds.In addition the transporter is very long,perhaps with 6 axles,and it looks like the radar might fold into 2 pieces with one on each side of the transporter.
So,an interesting mystery.
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New mystery AD radar sighted....
The radar on the right hand side of the pic is clearly not a Quds radar,its far too long,indeed just using crude measurements based on the actual Quds radar on the left hand side of the pic,this thing is almost two thirds longer than the Quds.In addition the transporter is very long,perhaps with 6 axles,and it looks like the radar might fold into 2 pieces with one on each side of the transporter.
So,an interesting mystery.
Likely high altitude very long range radar for Al-Hoda system.
System hasn’t been fully declassified, but is likely used against high value US assets like B-21/U-2/AWACS, Tankers.
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Interview With gen. Esmaili:
www.tasnimnews.com
Some Highlights:
I will give an example of whether the Islamic Republic is capable of detecting stealth fighters and aircraft. It was once said that the American U2 plane flies over Iran at an altitude of 80,000 feet and that Iran could not deal with it, but we made published the sound of a conversation and a warning to this plane and was broadcasted on radio and TV.
The plane was traveling from the coast of Pakistan to Afghanistan, which was warned by two radars of our country, while in the international tradition, only one radar warns the plane, but with two radars, we warned this plane - which Itself processes the defense systems of other countries - to let it know that it's being processed through two radars with two different frequencies. In addition, a radar lock was performed on it at 67,000 feet, and the aircraft itself realized this through its Doppler system and side looking radars.
Today we have the technology to detect and intercept even a ballistic missile that dives toward the ground at an altitude of 150,000 feet.
Fate of any intruding bird is the same as befell the American Archive 170, and Obama was willing to pay more than the cost of it's production to get it's wreckage back.
When we still had not received the S300 from Russia, General Bondarev, the commander of the Russian Air Force, once came to Iran. He asked me two questions: one, did you really hit the American Archive 170, and the second, did you build the Iranian S300 or not? After our meeting and his return to Russia almost two months later, the S300 systems were delivered to Iran.
In fact, they came to the conclusion that we could do it, but maybe a little later. It is very good that we can go and buy a system from a country and use it. For example, we bought the S300 system from Russia, but it's good to go to one of our war games to see if the S300 which we use is it the same one used in the Russian army.
The day we tested and evaluated this system in the Semnan desert during the Damavand wargame, was outside the instructions which Russians expected from us.
Our trained friends defined something for the S300 that was not defined in Russia itself. We received the upgraded PMU2 S300 but changed it according to our needs. Of course, we also changed the S200 system with a very high percentage, and even fired medium-range missiles with it.
The Russians themselves said that they fired dozens of missiles for the test of S300 against ballistic missiles. But we did it with a very limited number of missiles. This also shows the capabilities of our air defense. Of course, after that, there was a ballistic missile that we could not hit with the S300 and we hit it with the Bavar 373 system.
The S300 is very successful against semi-ballistic missiles and cruise missiles, but better than the S300 are systems like the Talash, B373 and other systems we have. Achieving such systems is very costly, and to say that a system has high reliability, we have to do a lot of shots that cost a lot, but we have been able to design systems in the shortest time and with the lowest cost, the least shots and depreciation, and made them operational in several war games.
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گفتگوی صریح با امیر فرزاد اسماعیلی درباره شایعات اخیر/ هیچ فامیلی در نیروهای مسلح ندارم/ ورود جنگندههای اسرائیل به آسمان ایران دروغ است - تسنیم
«شایعات دروغ همیشه وجود دارد. در مورد تقرب جنگندههای اف 35 رژیم اشغالگر قدس به مرزهای کشور که قبلاً هم منتشر شده بود، رژیم اشغالگر قدس میداند استفاده نادرست از امکاناتی که دارند، کمترین تبعاتش نابودی موجودیت آنهاست.»
Some Highlights:
I will give an example of whether the Islamic Republic is capable of detecting stealth fighters and aircraft. It was once said that the American U2 plane flies over Iran at an altitude of 80,000 feet and that Iran could not deal with it, but we made published the sound of a conversation and a warning to this plane and was broadcasted on radio and TV.
The plane was traveling from the coast of Pakistan to Afghanistan, which was warned by two radars of our country, while in the international tradition, only one radar warns the plane, but with two radars, we warned this plane - which Itself processes the defense systems of other countries - to let it know that it's being processed through two radars with two different frequencies. In addition, a radar lock was performed on it at 67,000 feet, and the aircraft itself realized this through its Doppler system and side looking radars.
Today we have the technology to detect and intercept even a ballistic missile that dives toward the ground at an altitude of 150,000 feet.
Fate of any intruding bird is the same as befell the American Archive 170, and Obama was willing to pay more than the cost of it's production to get it's wreckage back.
When we still had not received the S300 from Russia, General Bondarev, the commander of the Russian Air Force, once came to Iran. He asked me two questions: one, did you really hit the American Archive 170, and the second, did you build the Iranian S300 or not? After our meeting and his return to Russia almost two months later, the S300 systems were delivered to Iran.
In fact, they came to the conclusion that we could do it, but maybe a little later. It is very good that we can go and buy a system from a country and use it. For example, we bought the S300 system from Russia, but it's good to go to one of our war games to see if the S300 which we use is it the same one used in the Russian army.
The day we tested and evaluated this system in the Semnan desert during the Damavand wargame, was outside the instructions which Russians expected from us.
Our trained friends defined something for the S300 that was not defined in Russia itself. We received the upgraded PMU2 S300 but changed it according to our needs. Of course, we also changed the S200 system with a very high percentage, and even fired medium-range missiles with it.
The Russians themselves said that they fired dozens of missiles for the test of S300 against ballistic missiles. But we did it with a very limited number of missiles. This also shows the capabilities of our air defense. Of course, after that, there was a ballistic missile that we could not hit with the S300 and we hit it with the Bavar 373 system.
The S300 is very successful against semi-ballistic missiles and cruise missiles, but better than the S300 are systems like the Talash, B373 and other systems we have. Achieving such systems is very costly, and to say that a system has high reliability, we have to do a lot of shots that cost a lot, but we have been able to design systems in the shortest time and with the lowest cost, the least shots and depreciation, and made them operational in several war games.
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