Iranian Air Defense Systems

[Ich]

We might be seeing these in Al-Burkamal soon enough.

Iran needs a plan to provide adequate protection for the base in the Syria-Iraq border. You can't drive a 3rd Khordad through Iraq into Syria but you can deploy a civilian truck like the pictures here. A simple tarp would suffice in transportation.

Iran needs a runway there, so they can transport Khordad with C130 to Al-Burkamal.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Iran needs a runway there, so they can transport Khordad with C130 to Al-Burkamal.

3rd of Khordad have a purpose and be assured its not protecting a base from saturated suicide drone and cruise missile attack

 

[TheImmortal]

Iran has impressive home grown capabilities as far as ground based radar systems, and SAM systems go. About 100x better than Pakistan's right now(no real home grown radar in use anywhere of any value - other than a tiny ground survellance radar ).....

Even Indian's has mastered this space and have significant systems that are home grown, and Egypt has announced some systems recently aswel..

This systems are progressive and iterative in their development and take time to mature, so the fact that Pakistan essentially has nothing now is shocking.

Why is Pakistan so far behind in this radar development?!? ie it is not even in contention right now..

Because Pakistan main enemy is India and any major war would likely turn hot (nuclear). Plus with Pakistan’s close relationship with China they can get access to many radars if needed.

If Iran had a patron (Russia or China) that would supply Iran anytime they needed something then Iran would have no incentive to spend costly time consuming efforts to build its own defense products.

Iran’s domestic industry is a by product of no one selling it anything. Don’t trust Egyptian or Indian products they all use foreign parts to make their product and thus are sanctionable by the host country if the need arises.

Iran needs a runway there, so they can transport Khordad with C130 to Al-Burkamal.

Doesn’t matter, when Iran transported 3rd Khordad to T4 it was destroyed after being unloaded and even an Iranian 747 was damaged by shrapnel in the process.

The key is deterrence which Iran lacks. Israel doesn’t have military assets outside of Israel that Iran can attack for deterrence.

Attacking Israeli soil is not the same thing as it represents a few levels higher on escalation ladder because you are basically saying Syrian soil = Iranian soil. Which even Iran will agree is not true. So true deterrence would be attacking a HVT Israeli target on foreign soil.

 

[Stryker1982]

Doesn’t matter, when Iran transported 3rd Khordad to T4 it was destroyed after being unloaded and even an Iranian 747 was damaged by shrapnel in the process.

Yup, they need something with a lower footprint, in many ways asymmetric, simple to use, low cost, and suitable for saturation attacks rather than HVTs that a 3rd Khordad would target.

 

[sha ah]

They should taken it apart, transported it clandestinely in various pieces and then put it back together in an underground facility. Realistically they would actually have to do that in a large enough quantity to reach a critical mass. Otherwise it's pointless.

Maybe if they transport the system to Hmeimim airbase ? That base for example is well defended by the S-400 and they have shot down dozens of drones and projectiles launched at them throughout the years. That would be IF the Russians would be willing to cooperate in that regard, which is doubtful.

Actually if the Syrians were smart, they would lure the Israeli's into a trap by feeding them false into. Counter intelligence is extremely important in a setting like Syria. However I don't see the Syrians being ambitious enough for something like that. That's the difference between the Houthi's and Syrians. The Houthi's are bold and ambitious enough to try and when you keep trying you eventually succeed.

Anyways, right now I doubt if the Syrians can even pay for decent systems. Like I've said before, if jets fly through Lebanese airspace before reaching Syria, then why not have spotters on the ground engage them with manpads while they fly low ? It would cost peanuts to do that and atleast show some kind of resistance and you never know, they might be successful one time if they keep launching from multiple points at a target.

Because Pakistan main enemy is India and any major war would likely turn hot (nuclear). Plus with Pakistan’s close relationship with China they can get access to many radars if needed.

If Iran had a patron (Russia or China) that would supply Iran anytime they needed something then Iran would have no incentive to spend costly time consuming efforts to build its own defense products.

Iran’s domestic industry is a by product of no one selling it anything. Don’t trust Egyptian or Indian products they all use foreign parts to make their product and thus are sanctionable by the host country if the need arises.


Doesn’t matter, when Iran transported 3rd Khordad to T4 it was destroyed after being unloaded and even an Iranian 747 was damaged by shrapnel in the process.

The key is deterrence which Iran lacks. Israel doesn’t have military assets outside of Israel that Iran can attack for deterrence.

Attacking Israeli soil is not the same thing as it represents a few levels higher on escalation ladder because you are basically saying Syrian soil = Iranian soil. Which even Iran will agree is not true. So true deterrence would be attacking a HVT Israeli target on foreign soil.

 

[925boy]

I have a curious question - Do Iranians in general(or a good %) have any religious closeness/affinity/connection with Zaydi Shia Islam that Houthis practice? Both are Shia, but i am curous to know if there are inter-religious links/travel/seminars/education/conferences etc between Iranian Shia and Yemeni Shia? thanks!

 

[Surenas]

I have a curious question - Do Iranians in general(or a good %) have any religious closeness/affinity/connection with Zaydi Shia Islam that Houthis practice? Both are Shia, but i am curous to know if there are inter-religious links/travel/seminars/education/conferences etc between Iranian Shia and Yemeni Shia? thanks!

This article might help:

Yemen's Zaidis: A Window for Iranian Influence

The receptiveness that many Yemeni Shiite leaders have shown toward Iran's foreign policy and religious practice give Tehran a ready means to expand its reach in Yemen.

www.washingtoninstitute.org

''According to the aforementioned Zaidi cleric Morteza Mohatwari, Iran's government and clerical institutions -- including those affiliated with leading Shiite clerics Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani and Javad Shahristani in Qom -- provide religious training and educational tools to Yemenis in both countries. During a trip to Iran last month, Mohatwari asked for financial and educational support from the University of Religions and Denominations, an organization created thirteen years ago under Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei's supervision to train non-Twelver Shiites and Twelvers who want to study other branches of Islam. A few weeks prior, Iran had invited Mohatwari and seventy other Yemeni Zaidi leaders to visit the shrine of Nasr al-Haq, a ninth-century Zaidi Imam, in northern Iran. Khamenei had ordered the shrine's renovation to reinforce the ties between Yemen and Iran, according to remarks made in 2014 by Sattar Alizadeh, head of the Endowment and Charity Organization of Mazandaran province. When Mohatwari visited the shrine last October, he said, "Having relations with Iran's Supreme Leader is an honor for Yemen...Now we know him more than Nasr al-Haq."

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

Novelties in the Iranian anti-aircraft force: an “unparalleled” radar and a “autonomous mobility” HQ


The Iranian military has unveiled the unique radar system, unmatched in the world, and an autonomous mobility headquarters.

Named Bahman, it was presented at a ceremony attended by Iranian Army Anti-Air Force Commander Ali Reza Sabahi Fard.

The latter spoke of "new achievements in the organization of research and the struggle for self-sufficiency in the field of anti-aircraft weapons".
“One of the achievements that has been unveiled today is the Bahman radar system. It is unique and unprecedented in the world, ”he said.

Among the characteristics of this radar system "is that it operates at idle speed, as well as its ability to detect all planes and flying objects flying at very low altitudes, such as drones and very tiny flying objects," he said. He specifies.
He continued, “We can use this system functionally from today. "


Mr. Sabahi Farid also reported on the entry into action of an autonomous mobility operations headquarters, which can be used in all military confrontations, as well as during natural disasters, such as floods and earthquakes. of land, because "he can carry out his tasks independently".

He pointed out that these achievements are manufactured for the first time by the Iranian anti-aircraft army.

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

Iranian Defense Industry Unveils New Series of Indigenous MANPADS


As part of a new initiative by the defense industries of the IIR to increase mobility and create a short-range defense umbrella to counter enemy cruise missiles, a new mobile defense system unmanned was developed in the country.

In recent weeks, the production lines for the new series of portable air defense systems (MANPADS) have been inaugurated in Iran.

It was at the end of the imposed Iran-Iraq war and the beginning of the program to further develop the country's defense capabilities that the question of the design and manufacture of new portable air defense systems (MANPADS) was also raised. raised.

Finally, in the 80s of the Persian calendar, the first generation Iranian MANPADS called “Misagh” were built and presented to the whole world. Some foreign sources have claimed that these missiles were in fact developed based on the Chinese model QW-1. To date, three models of this missile have been developed

The 1.5 meter long "Misagh1" missile has a minimum range of 500 meters and a maximum range of 5,000 meters. It has the ability to hit targets on the 4000 meter flight ceiling.


This missile has a speed of 600 meters per second and weighs about 11 kilograms, of which 1.42 kilograms is the weight of its warhead, and the mass of the missile with a launcher to carry is about 17 kilograms.

Considering the characteristics of the launcher, the storage life of this missile is long, it has simple launch instruction and high rate of fire, and it can be used in temperatures ranging from minus 40 to over 60 degrees.

Its automatic guidance system allows you to operate in a "fire-and-forget" mode, allowing the user to quickly exit the launch position and reduce the risk of enemy damage.

In the years that followed, the "Misagh 2" missile entered service as an improved version of the "Misagh 1", and one of the important points that was taken into account was the increased sensitivity of the sensor. infrared of this missile to face cruise missiles.

These missiles generally have weak infrared radiation and can be hidden from view of many detection systems.


The range and combat height in the "Misagh 2" missile remained the same, but its speed increased from 600 meters per second to 850 meters per second.

In appearance, the "Misagh 3" missile hardly differs from previous models of this missile and is almost in the same category in terms of flight characteristics, but the use of new technology makes the " Misagh 3 ”much more fatal against low flying targets, especially cruise missiles.

This missile uses new fuses which greatly increase the possibility of detonating and hitting the target.

This is a laser fuse which operates as follows: once the missile is launched in the direction of the target to be reached, a source of laser radiation inside the missile is triggered and spreads a light beam in a ray of 360 degrees. As it nears its objective, it reflects the laser light that hits the target, before activating the missile's warhead and causing the explosion.


Mobile platform for Iranian MANPADS

The production line of portable air defense systems (MANPADS) which, according to General Baqeri, have a range of about 5 kilometers was inaugurated in recent days, in the presence of the Minister of Defense and the Chief of Staff of the armed forces.

There is no specific name for this missile, but the published image of it shows the same upgrade or model of the "Misagh 3" series missile.

In the images linked to this unveiling ceremony, there is an image of a mobile system, which appears to be a new medium for MANPADS.

In this design, which is also used overseas, a number of MANPADS are installed on a platform with targeting systems and the human factor is removed from the missile transport process. Thus, more missiles are carried on a platform and can be fired more quickly at different targets.

In today's world, these models have been developed in countries like Russia and France on a stationary basis on speedboats or personnel carriers.


With this simple, but important and practical measure, the volume of portable missiles will increase and in turn the required manpower will be reduced, ultimately reducing financial costs and loss of life.

At the same time, thanks to the mobility of this defense system, a high-speed mobile air defense layer will be added to the country's low-altitude defense systems, and the level of reliability in order to face threats. , especially in the category of cruise missiles will increase.

 

[vizier]

Iranian Defense Industry Unveils New Series of Indigenous MANPADS


As part of a new initiative by the defense industries of the IIR to increase mobility and create a short-range defense umbrella to counter enemy cruise missiles, a new mobile defense system unmanned was developed in the country.

In recent weeks, the production lines for the new series of portable air defense systems (MANPADS) have been inaugurated in Iran.

It was at the end of the imposed Iran-Iraq war and the beginning of the program to further develop the country's defense capabilities that the question of the design and manufacture of new portable air defense systems (MANPADS) was also raised. raised.

Finally, in the 80s of the Persian calendar, the first generation Iranian MANPADS called “Misagh” were built and presented to the whole world. Some foreign sources have claimed that these missiles were in fact developed based on the Chinese model QW-1. To date, three models of this missile have been developed

The 1.5 meter long "Misagh1" missile has a minimum range of 500 meters and a maximum range of 5,000 meters. It has the ability to hit targets on the 4000 meter flight ceiling.


This missile has a speed of 600 meters per second and weighs about 11 kilograms, of which 1.42 kilograms is the weight of its warhead, and the mass of the missile with a launcher to carry is about 17 kilograms.

Considering the characteristics of the launcher, the storage life of this missile is long, it has simple launch instruction and high rate of fire, and it can be used in temperatures ranging from minus 40 to over 60 degrees.

Its automatic guidance system allows you to operate in a "fire-and-forget" mode, allowing the user to quickly exit the launch position and reduce the risk of enemy damage.

In the years that followed, the "Misagh 2" missile entered service as an improved version of the "Misagh 1", and one of the important points that was taken into account was the increased sensitivity of the sensor. infrared of this missile to face cruise missiles.

These missiles generally have weak infrared radiation and can be hidden from view of many detection systems.


The range and combat height in the "Misagh 2" missile remained the same, but its speed increased from 600 meters per second to 850 meters per second.

In appearance, the "Misagh 3" missile hardly differs from previous models of this missile and is almost in the same category in terms of flight characteristics, but the use of new technology makes the " Misagh 3 ”much more fatal against low flying targets, especially cruise missiles.

This missile uses new fuses which greatly increase the possibility of detonating and hitting the target.

This is a laser fuse which operates as follows: once the missile is launched in the direction of the target to be reached, a source of laser radiation inside the missile is triggered and spreads a light beam in a ray of 360 degrees. As it nears its objective, it reflects the laser light that hits the target, before activating the missile's warhead and causing the explosion.


Mobile platform for Iranian MANPADS

The production line of portable air defense systems (MANPADS) which, according to General Baqeri, have a range of about 5 kilometers was inaugurated in recent days, in the presence of the Minister of Defense and the Chief of Staff of the armed forces.

There is no specific name for this missile, but the published image of it shows the same upgrade or model of the "Misagh 3" series missile.

In the images linked to this unveiling ceremony, there is an image of a mobile system, which appears to be a new medium for MANPADS.

In this design, which is also used overseas, a number of MANPADS are installed on a platform with targeting systems and the human factor is removed from the missile transport process. Thus, more missiles are carried on a platform and can be fired more quickly at different targets.

In today's world, these models have been developed in countries like Russia and France on a stationary basis on speedboats or personnel carriers.


With this simple, but important and practical measure, the volume of portable missiles will increase and in turn the required manpower will be reduced, ultimately reducing financial costs and loss of life.

At the same time, thanks to the mobility of this defense system, a high-speed mobile air defense layer will be added to the country's low-altitude defense systems, and the level of reliability in order to face threats. , especially in the category of cruise missiles will increase.

I also think that manpads have a future especially being low cost last tier defense against cruise missiles.
Cruise missiles may have a low ir signature. Modern manpad seekers are multiband ir and can counter them. I think however a laser guidance can be added to manpads as well. This way even if the target has very low infrared signature like a gps glide bomb(sdbs have 100+km ranges) it can be locked on.

Additionally instead of a radar a Lidar can be used for point defense which can be small about 3km radius-altitude. Stealthy cruise missiles, glide bombs, smaller dumb bombs, mini drone swarms can be detected by Lidar. Even if the radar is powerful it can be jammed, detection range reduces and can be located-targeted from very long ranges but jamming the lidar would be much more difficult and cant be made from long ranges like em jamming.

This example uses for example a prism to get data using refraction of light.

10 Technical Advantages - Baraja

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For example a single rotating laser can get direction and a prism in front of it also rotating with the laser can provide the altitude data using refraction of light.


For slower targets like gravity bombs, glide bombs, drone swarms I think this can be useful as well.

metal storm grenade launcher mode around 5:10. Ofcourse the "grenade" here would need to have control surfaces at its back like a missile and on its nose a laser seeker. You only need to point the laser to incoming bomb and fire the weapon.

laser guided grenade. It can be difficult to hit a fast moving target with it but we are talking about hitting dumb bombs, gliders and slow moving drone swarms. It has a rocket engine giving it about 2km range

Faster targets like supersonic-hypersonic cruise missiles, rocket bombs can be handled by faster sams and radar systems.

 

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[Sineva]

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Heres a very good debunking of those claims...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1371895207399198726

https://twitter.com/x/status/1371896969354969090

Seriously tho...manpads sent from iran intended for the saa,or perhaps more likely its allied and/or auxiliary forces,were instead diverted to the TURKS!?......yeah!,right!,f@ck off!!.
"Experts",my ar$ehole,what in the f@ck are these idiots smoking?
I couldnt help but notice the stinky stink of our old friend,supposed "journalist and military expert" babak taghvaee,who is listed as one of the social media sources in this "report",whats the bet hes the one whos behind these idiotic claims?,it would certainly fit his previous mo.

 

[TheImmortal]

Heres a very good debunking of those claims...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1371895207399198726

https://twitter.com/x/status/1371896969354969090

Seriously tho...manpads sent from iran intended for the saa,or perhaps more likely its allied and/or auxiliary forces,were instead diverted to the TURKS!?......yeah!,right!,f@ck off!!.
"Experts",my ar$ehole,what in the f@ck are these idiots smoking?
I couldnt help but notice the stinky stink of our old friend,supposed "journalist and military expert" babak taghvaee,who is listed as one of the social media sources in this "report",whats the bet hes the one whos behind these idiotic claims?,it would certainly fit his previous mo.

Iranian arms flow across the world it’s a black market. If an international arms dealer requests from Iran 100 manpads why wouldn’t Iran fulfill it? Where the manpads end up isn’t their problem as long as assurances are made that it won’t be used to Iran’s detriment (acts of terror/ against Iranian interests).

People act like Iran needs to keep track of every weapon down to the last bullet it makes.

But an Iranian manpad being found is cause of concern, but Turkish weapons or Russian or Chinese are not? UN is a hypocrisy.

 

[sha ah]

Those MANPADS could have easily been captured by the GNA from the LNA. Yes it does seem unlikely for Turkey to buy from Iran since Turkey produces its own MANPADS, however recent sanctions (CAATSA) have been preventing Turkey from accessing spare parts for their UAVs, F-16s and much more.

Also during wars weapons always get spread around. Iranian TOW ATGM copies (Toofan) have ended up in the hands of every player in Syria for example, including Turkish proxies, YPG, Al Qaeda militants, Syrian army, etc.

Also keep in mind Oryx is a heavily pro Turkish pro Azerbaijan source and nothing in his tweet debunks anything really. To be honest it seems like an emotional outburst based on assumptions more than anything else.

Heres a very good debunking of those claims...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1371895207399198726

https://twitter.com/x/status/1371896969354969090

Seriously tho...manpads sent from iran intended for the saa,or perhaps more likely its allied and/or auxiliary forces,were instead diverted to the TURKS!?......yeah!,right!,f@ck off!!.
"Experts",my ar$ehole,what in the f@ck are these idiots smoking?
I couldnt help but notice the stinky stink of our old friend,supposed "journalist and military expert" babak taghvaee,who is listed as one of the social media sources in this "report",whats the bet hes the one whos behind these idiotic claims?,it would certainly fit his previous mo.

 

[WudangMaster]

There were statements from General Esmaili a few years back regarding Iran achieving 3000 air defense nodes through out the country by 1400 solar hejira. Considering the covid setbacks, how far along do you suppose the national air defense grid has come in this endeavour?