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Iran warns India on gas (IPI) pipeline

Lol... the Indians were never really interested in the IPI project. They were just exploring new possibilities and probably used it as a tool to pressurize the Americans to make more concessions on the nuclear deal.

An interesting read which summarizes why India never really took the IPI project seriously -

Why IPI gas pipeline is a risky project

The Iran-Pakistan-India (IPI) gas pipeline project often called the ‘peace pipeline’ is seen as a “win-win-win” project for all the three countries and a confidence-building measure and stimulus for regional cooperation.

Despite these attractions, some critical unresolved non-economic issues need to be addressed, as they pose major risks for the project, which impact differently on each of the three countries. Also, this is not the only way for gas to be transported to India.

Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) offers a viable alternative, without the risk of blockage by a hostile Pakistan. This factor assumes considerable significance in view of the Indo-Pak tensions following the involvement of Pakistani elements in the terrorist attacks in Mumbai.

The IPI project is a 2,775 km overland pipeline for carrying natural gas from Assaluyeh, Iran, near the rich South Pars gas fields (reserves 360 trillion cubic metres (tcm) on the Iran part and 900 tcm on the Qatar part) to the fast growing gas market of India, landing at Barmer, in Rajasthan, where it would link up with the domestic gas network of India.

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The pipeline would cost around $7.4 billion and three-five years to build, and would carry 22 billion cubic metres (bcm) of gas per annum, to be raised further to 55 bcm per annum.

The project seems justified on purely economic grounds taking into account India’s gas needs, projected to rise from 49 bcm per annum in 2006-7 to 125 bcm by 2025. Pakistan would be a transit country as well as a consumer, taking some of the gas.

Trade and transit issues

The physical security of the pipeline and compressor stations en route could be compromised by unrest in Baluchistan, the scene of an ongoing insurgency. The transit country, Pakistan, through which 1,035 km of the pipeline would run, could shut down the pipeline in the event of a conflict or tension with India. Trade and transit with Pakistan has always been a hostage to the Kashmir issue, and Pakistan has still not accorded India the most-favoured nation (MFN) status (which India extended to Pakistan in 1996, and which is the normal trade relationship between countries), and rejects normalisation of trade relations. There would be no legal recourse in case Pakistan decides to shut down the pipeline.

Pakistan has suggested that the pipeline could extend to China in case issues with India are not resolved. Iran and China have reacted positively to this suggestion. This would imply that gas supply, if cut off to India, could still be made to China, thereby increasing the risk for India.

The gas transit fee demanded by Pakistan remains unresolved, and could easily be a victim of political considerations. The transit country can squeeze out profitability from the operation of the line without the risk of closing it. Once the line is built, bargaining power rests entirely with the transit country. Single country transit oil or gas lines are extremely vulnerable to economic pressures.

Disagreement over pricing

Iran would like to lock-in India into a situation of dependence on supply, rendering it vulnerable to political pressures. Recently, there was speculation that Iran’s decision to scrap the LNG deal with India was influenced by India’s vote against Iran in the IAEA.

The basis for calculating the gas prices remains unresolved. Iran has asked for higher prices $8 per million BTU, while India would agree to $4 per million BTU. The five-million-tonne per year LNG supply contract between NIOC (Iran) and GAIL/BPCL (India) has also been scrapped by Iran due to disagreement over pricing, though this may be linked to other factors.

There exists no trilateral agreement that provides a comprehensive intergovernmental legal framework governing the energy cooperation regime, such as the Energy Charter Treaty (ECT) which has 51 countries in Europe as members.

The ECT strengthens the rule of law on energy issues, by creating a level-playing field of rules to be observed by all participating governments, thereby mitigating risks associated with energy-related investment and trade.

India and Iran have conflicting positions on the liability for disruption of gas supply and obligation to arrange alternative supply by means such as LNG, especially in the event of a conflict. The US remains opposed to the IPI project, which it sees as undermining economic sanctions imposed against Iran, in view of its perceived support to terrorist entities in the region.

Therefore, the IPI project is seen as a direct challenge to US strategic policy, and its advancement could negatively impact India-US relations. If, however, Iran-US tensions could be resolved, this factor would disappear.

Alternative route

Given these problems, it would be reasonable to go in for an alternative more secure system of gas supply via liquefied natural gas (LNG). This mode of supply would be more expensive than the pipeline route, due to the investments required in the supply chain, such as liquefaction plants, tankers, terminals, and re-gasification plants. However, it would offer certain advantages.

The LNG market is growing, with large consumers such as Japan, South Korea increasing imports, and supplying countries setting up LNG facilities. The technology for LNG production, storage, transport and use has matured, and is now easily accessible. Investment in LNG tankers and LNG terminals would be more economic in the expanding LNG global market. If new gas reserves are discovered in other parts of the world, these could be integrated into the global LNG market.

In the case of LNG supply, both the supplier and consumer would not necessarily be bound to each other, and a range of suppliers and consumers could be available in the rapidly growing LNG market. This would introduce some competition in pricing and delivery. There would not be any problems with transit countries, since LNG would be carried directly between the exporting and importing ports.

LNG imports

Global LNG imports are expected to go up from 155 million tonnes per annum (mmtpa) in 2006 to 400 mmtpa by 2015. Japan and South Korea alone accounted for 86 mmtpa of imports in 2006. The LNG industry is set for rapid and sustained expansion as improved technology has reduced transportation costs of isolated natural gas reserves as a liquid to consumer markets. Global LNG tanker fleet is presently around 230 and LNG production capacity is 220 mmtpa, while regasification capacity is 400 mmtpa. Qatar by itself will have the world’s largest LNG facility of capacity 77 mmtpa by 2012.

India already has one LNG terminal at Dahej (5 mmtpa) and another coming up in Kochi (2.5 mmtpa). It has a contract with Qatar for import of 5 mmtpa LNG for 25 years at a very favourable price of $2.53 per million BTU. Qatar is considered a reliable long-term supplier for India.

LNG could be brought to a variety of terminals along the Indian coast, both on the West and East side. This could provide flexibility in supply covering also south, west and east India, and reduce internal distribution costs.

For these reasons, India should continue to pursue LNG import deals with exporting countries, while seeking a comprehensive Energy Charter Treaty for the South Asian region as a whole. The IPI project now remains a risky venture, and extreme caution is called for.

Why IPI gas pipeline is a risky project

As described in the article above, India already had plans for a huge LNG tanker fleet and is constructing LNG terminals on its east and west coast.

Nobody will shed a tear in India over the loss of this "peace pipeline" which was basically more of a "headache pipeline" for the Indians.
 
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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...-interest-in-pipeline/articleshow/5228604.cms

India to tell Iran of interest in pipeline

NEW DELHI: India will express its continued interest in the Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline project when Iranian foreign minister Manouchehr Mottaki visits India next week. This stand, however, has more to do with New Delhi’s desire to checkmate China.

New Delhi’s renewed expression of interest in the pipeline project comes in the backdrop of Iran’s very public statement that China is interested in joining the project. In fact Tehran has been using the China angle to push New Delhi back to the negotiating mode. Of course Pakistan immediately embraced the idea saying it could become the Iran-Pakistan-China pipeline.

``We are interested and it is very much on the agenda,’’ sources said when asked about the pipeline project. The issue is expected to be taken up during bilateral discussions between external affairs minister S.M. Krishna and Mr Mottaki. Sources further said that the two sides will go into greater detail during the meeting of the joint working group on energy that is expected to be held soon. In fact Mr Mottaki’s delegation also has senior representatives from the petroleum sector.

The negotiations on the pipeline have been stuck over the issue of pricing and security. India and Iran have differences of opinion on the point of delivery of the gas and on pricing. ``There are issues that need to be resolved,’’ sources said and added that this was a project would require patience. The issue of security in particular has come into greater focus thanks to the increased instability in Pakistan and now due to Iran’s own problem with Pakistan on the terror front. The pipeline is expected to go through Pakistan’s troubled areas which India, especially after the Mumbai terror attacks, is not keen on.

Though these sticking points are unlikely to be resolved anytime soon, India wants to send the message across that it is still part of the IPI project and is not quitting the project.

The issue of security has also come into sharp focus for Iran which is also facing the problem of terror on its own border with Pakistan. The October incident where commanders of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps were killed in terror attacks in the province of Sistan-Balochistan near Iran’s border with Pakistan.
 
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India to tell Iran of interest in pipeline- Politics/Nation-News-The Economic Times

India to tell Iran of interest in pipeline

NEW DELHI: India will express its continued interest in the Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline project when Iranian foreign minister Manouchehr Mottaki visits India next week. This stand, however, has more to do with New Delhi’s desire to checkmate China.

New Delhi’s renewed expression of interest in the pipeline project comes in the backdrop of Iran’s very public statement that China is interested in joining the project. In fact Tehran has been using the China angle to push New Delhi back to the negotiating mode. Of course Pakistan immediately embraced the idea saying it could become the Iran-Pakistan-China pipeline.

``We are interested and it is very much on the agenda,’’ sources said when asked about the pipeline project. The issue is expected to be taken up during bilateral discussions between external affairs minister S.M. Krishna and Mr Mottaki. Sources further said that the two sides will go into greater detail during the meeting of the joint working group on energy that is expected to be held soon. In fact Mr Mottaki’s delegation also has senior representatives from the petroleum sector.

The negotiations on the pipeline have been stuck over the issue of pricing and security. India and Iran have differences of opinion on the point of delivery of the gas and on pricing. ``There are issues that need to be resolved,’’ sources said and added that this was a project would require patience. The issue of security in particular has come into greater focus thanks to the increased instability in Pakistan and now due to Iran’s own problem with Pakistan on the terror front. The pipeline is expected to go through Pakistan’s troubled areas which India, especially after the Mumbai terror attacks, is not keen on.

Though these sticking points are unlikely to be resolved anytime soon, India wants to send the message across that it is still part of the IPI project and is not quitting the project.

The issue of security has also come into sharp focus for Iran which is also facing the problem of terror on its own border with Pakistan. The October incident where commanders of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps were killed in terror attacks in the province of Sistan-Balochistan near Iran’s border with Pakistan.

India is a time waste ! they are just playing games and wasting damn time they are not gona do a anything get rid of them.. prob solved :cheers::toast_sign::lol:
 
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Please keep India out of discussion regarding IPI.
It should be Iran Pakistan or Iran India. Problem solved.

Absolutely no heartburn for Pakistani friends.
 
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strategically... IPI is as much as important as avoiding any economic dependence on pakistan..from an Indian perspective, one can't depend on pakistan economically... and for which India demands the purchase of gas only after it crosses indian borders to which iran doesn't accept for it doesn't want to own the risk of unrest in pakistan and also pakistan's govt policies...

Tomorrow if some gas disruption comes from some terrorists with or without the backing of pakistan.. it wud simply be labeled as NON-State actors..and India has to pay a price for that.... we we can resolve this may be by having pakistan a greater stake in this project than indians... i don't see IPI a reality in near future like 15-20 yrs.....
 
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New Delhi committed to IPI project: Singh


NEW DELHI: Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Monday reportedly reiterated New Delhi’s commitment to take forward the three-nation gas pipeline also involving Pakistan. Meanwhile, Indian External Affairs Minister SM Krishna held delegation-level talks with his Iranian counterpart Manouchehr Mottaki on a range of bilateral and regional issues including energy security, trade, Iran’s nuclear ambitions and enhanced collaboration in science and technology. The volatile situation in Afghanistan and the role of terrorist outfits in fomenting unrest in the region dominated the discussions, diplomatic sources said. The Iranian side pressed for accelerating negotiations to resolve and address Indian concerns about the pricing of Iranian gas and the security of the pipeline, which is expected to pass through violence-prone areas of Pakistan. Mottaki began his two-day visit on Monday by calling on Manmohan Singh, who assured him about India’s commitment to taking the pipeline project forward, they said. iftikhar gilani

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
 
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If baluchistan and Sindh gain independece from Pakistan then we can think of the IBSI pipeline, otherwise , no use. Let China take it.
 
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India, Iran discuss energy, transit routes

NEW DELHI: India and Iran on Monday held talks on closer cooperation in energy, transit routes to central Asia and sharing of information on militant activity in the Pakistan-Afghanistan belt.

In the first high-level talks after elections in both countries, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna, in talks with visiting Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki, flagged New Delhi’s interest in the Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline.

Trilateral dialogue
They also discussed prospects of trilateral dialogue between India, Iran and Afghanistan on transit routes to central Asia, with the Iranian port of Chabar to be the staging point for goods.

In four hours of talks with Mr. Krishna, including a luncheon in his honour, Mr. Mottaki discussed issues relating to security, pricing and guaranteed supply, and resolved to convene a meeting of the Joint Working Group to discuss the finer details of this and other energy related projects.

“Our interest in having a trilateral agreement was underlined,” said informed sources about the transit route beginning from the Chabar port.

It was planned to construct a railway line from Chabar to Bam. From there, goods would be taken from the Afghan border town of Zaranj to Delaram on an Indian-built road to the Afghan garland highways, which provide access to several central Asian republics.

The need to add greater economic content was also recognised during delegation-level talks between the two Foreign Ministers. Both sides touched upon increasing contacts in the banking sector, civil aviation cooperation, double taxation avoidance agreement, bilateral investment protection agreement and civil aviation cooperation.

Mr. Mottaki renewed an invitation to Dr. Singh to visit Tehran, and it was agreed to work out the details through diplomatic channels.

LNG deal
India also raised the issue of the implementation of the Liquefied Natural Gas deal signed in 2005 for the supply of five million tonnes per annum of gas.

New Delhi maintained that as far as it was concerned, the agreement was signed and reopening it to accommodate Tehran’s desire for higher rates was unacceptable.

The Hindu : Front Page : India, Iran discuss energy, transit routes
 
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If baluchistan and Sindh gain independece from Pakistan then we can think of the IBSI pipeline, otherwise , no use. Let China take it.

Never gona happen in your wildest dreams sorry... :smokin::pakistan:
 
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Never gona happen in your wildest dreams sorry... :smokin::pakistan:
Never say never. Just 70 yrs ago (or 80) Pakistan was no there in anyones wildest dreams. With the Baluch unrest by its people , if there were some liberators who supported them , its just a matter of time maybe, especially with the Army busy in Afghan border. I dont know much about Sindh, but I think there were some unrest there too.
 
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It is a impossible task to even think about liberation of Baluchistan or Sindh. People those who are referring to past are not getting these facts in equation that now state unions owns massive powers and every act of anarchy can be tackled with strong hands. People responsible for such acts should understand these facts. Sooner or later(better sooner) people (not state) involved have to solve all differences by mutual understanding and through democratic process. This logic implies both on PAK and IND. If someone has doubt on it please see result of civil war of SL.

Now lets talk about this thread and be adherent to the topic.
Regards.
 
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It is a impossible task to even think about liberation of Baluchistan or Sindh. People those who are referring to past are not getting these facts in equation that now state unions owns massive powers and every act of anarchy can be tackled with strong hands. People responsible for such acts should understand these facts. Sooner or later(better sooner) people (not state) involved have to solve all differences by mutual understanding and through democratic process. This logic implies both on PAK and IND. If someone has doubt on it please see result of civil war of SL.

Now lets talk about this thread and be adherent to the topic.
Regards.

This is imp to this topic because to reliably get the gas to India we need friendly transit route. I think Baluchis are friendly, but Sindh I dont know. But is the gas worth all the trouble.. well , i dont think so. So if it happens , great. If not, we should not be involved in this project.
 
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If baluchistan and Sindh gain independece from Pakistan then we can think of the IBSI pipeline, otherwise , no use. Let China take it.

The leaders of the largest political party in Pakistan (PPP) have all been Sindhis so Sindh is going to stay in Pakistan forever besides there's no separatist movements going on in Sindh.

Balochistan is the least populated province in Pakistan, and most people belonging to that province are Pakhtuns, who dont want Balochistan to be a separate independent country, only some people belonging to the bugti tribe are a problem and they dont even make up 1% of Pakistan's population.

If indians think this IPI project is a bad idea, tell your government to quit the deal and quit wasting our time.
 
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If India backed off bcoz of Americans pressure or not Natural Gas is a non renewable energy while Nuclear energy can be reused depends on the sophistication of technology. Nuclear energy is much cleaner than fossil fuels, my friend, why did u think Iran is determined to go nuclear by pissing of every nations? bcoz they know its the only way ahead as of now and this natural gas is not going to last long. from 50yrs from now, this pipe line could be useless u realize that?

:) Despite so many benefits related to backing out Still INDIA Is confused and uncertain wehther you guys want to join or leave????

why still blowing hot and cold over the project?
 
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