Iran vs. Saudi Arabia

[Mosamania]

Brother, please don't compare yourself with the US. I don't know if you were around in 91. But the US & Co had to amass thousands of planes near the Iraqi border and fly an insane number sorties on a daily basis before they were able to achieve their intended results. Now, I grant you that your airforce hardware is superior to that of Iran. But you're nowhere near that level of capability and will likely never be. And I'm not even talking about pilot training, morale and military doctrine.

All this talk of war is just childish. It will be a disaster for EVERYBODY in the region. We'd better learn to talk to each other.

I agree that there should be no war and this rivalry for influence nonsense must stop. But I am only stating the facts here. Again a day a war starts will be a sad day for everyone in the region.

 

[King Solomon]

If missiles are the only thing it takes to win a war then Nations around the world would only concentrate on missiles instead of Air Forces. It is that simple

Your analogy is like saying if WWI only required guns, why did everybody build ships?

A well balanced force is what is required. Missiles provide more deterrent than air force, this is a fact well established. In Iran's case, the balance is more on missile and sensibly so since they cannot import airplanes de to sanctions, unlike Saudi arabia.

 

[Mosamania]

Not to de-moralize you, I have also studied the subject. And trust me, Saudi Arabia won't have a chance when that happens. Iranian missiles are silo launched, stored underground, well dispersed.

Again, we must face reality. Lets not live in fantasy-world.

The only one living in fantasy world here is you. They can have a 1000 missile silos which will ONLY shut down 5 airports for only 24 hours before repair is complete. But then what??

 

[King Solomon]

The only one living in fantasy world here is you. They can have a 1000 missile silos which will ONLY shut down 5 airports for only 24 hours before repair is complete. But then what??

Lets leave it to others to judge who is living in fantasy world. They will also destroy all Saudi oil refineries, locations of whom are well known. They will also destroy the airports. They are more than capable for that. They can cripple Saudi Arabia within a short time via that.

Again, only option for Saudi might be to repeat what they did in Gulf - Call in US forces.

 

[Mosamania]

Your analogy is like saying if WWI only required guns, why did everybody build ships?

A well balanced force is what is required. Missiles provide more deterrent than air force, this is a fact well established. In Iran's case, the balance is more on missile and sensibly so since they cannot import airplanes de to sanctions, unlike Saudi arabia.

No my analogy is based on military well documented facts. Iran built missiles because it will lose in the air no matter what. You are right onnthe fact that since they can not import jets they build missiles. But all the world agree that missiles are much inferior to jets when it comes to operational capability. A hundred scud like missile will only do the job of an AirForce one squadron sortie. You have to take into account many things including accuracy and range and destruction. A jet can carry in one sortie 12 missiles worth of bombs.

Lets leave it to others to judge who is living in fantasy world. They will also destroy all Saudi oil refineries, locations of whom are well known. They will also destroy the airports. They are more than capable for that. They can cripple Saudi Arabia within a short time via that.

Again, only option for Saudi might be to repeat what they did in Gulf - Call in US forces.

Saudi Arabia is actively urging other GCC countries to kick out the US army from the region because our military leadersbelieve that we are more than capable of taking care of Iran alone.

 

[King Solomon]

No my analogy is based on military well documented facts. Iran built missiles because it will lose in the air no matter what. You are right onnthe fact that since they can not import jets they build missiles. But all the world agree that missiles are much inferior to jets when it comes to operational capability. A hundred scud like missile will only do the job of an AirForce one squadron sortie. You have to take into account many things including accuracy and range and destruction. A jet can carry in one sortie 12 missiles worth of bombs.

Iranian missiles are no Scuds. I urge you to look at their missile tech first before saying something like that.

 

[Mosamania]

Iranian missiles are no Scuds. I urge you to look at their missile tech first before saying something like that.

Same rule apply to the Shahab 3s as scuds. Besides there is no way any country can launch more than a thousand missile at once of the kind and they can't mass produce such missiles in large number. Iran's bet with it's missiles is to kill as many civilians and destroy as much infrastructre with it as possible at the end of the day.

 

[bozorgmehr]

I agree that there should be no war and this rivalry for influence nonsense must stop. But I am only stating the facts here. Again a day a war starts will be a sad day for everyone in the region.

Yes, but considering the statements of intent that have consistently been coming out of SA in the past few years, it'd be more natural to assume the above conflict in the context of SA taking on Iran. And in that case, I think your airforce will have very little chance of success. Your planes will be shot down by Iranian air defence or f-14s. And those who make it back may find that their bases no longer have suitable runways for landing (that's were those missiles come in). And I don't think there's any need to get into the land or naval war. I think the results will be lopsided there.

 

[Mosamania]

And S-19 you forgot to take into account our own Ballistic missile force.

 

[lem34]

Shouldn't Iranian and Arab weapons be pointed at Israel?

 

[King Solomon]

Same rule apply to the Shahab 3s as scuds. Besides there is no way any country can launch more than a thousand missile at once of the kind and they can't mass produce such missiles in large number. Iran's bet with it's missiles is to kill as many civilians and destroy as much infrastructre with it as possible at the end of the day.

You are extremely underestimating their ballistic missile tech.

Civilians? Infrastructure? That's what amateurs assume. Say, in case of a war between US and Russia, will Russia target US cities at first? No, Russia will target the US military at first. After taking out military capability, there is no need to take our population centres, they will easily surrender or they can then be targeted.

Similarly, Iran would target the Saudi military targets, oil refineries, ports and financial centres (like central bank) rather than civilian infrastructure. Maybe some tall buildings will be targeted, but thats it. The priority at first would be to destroy military targets, not civilian. Any sensible military general would attest to this.

And S-19 you forgot to take into account our own Ballistic missile force.

Saudi does, they are mainly imported from China, and their missile bases are concentrated rather than dispersed. However, they are nowhere as large quantity as that Iran possesses and mass produces regularly.

Shouldn't Iranian and Arab weapons be pointed at Israel?

Yes indeed, but the philosophy behind creating this topic was that I see Saudi members regularly threatening to "destroy Iran". This topic should be a good comparison at who can destroy what.

 

[no_koadsheding_plz]

apparently saudi arabia has advantage in having realy advanced armaments but the fact is its of foreign origin,,who gains profit when their item is sold,, so those foreigns may destroy most of saudis armaments themselves just in order to sale more and to squeaze more money from saudiz,,

this will be true to 'maximum' extent.. but they would certainly not allow saudi arabia to be defeated or allow saudi to clean bold iran,, they would like to use max saudi armament and yet make a close victory for saudi,,,

iran has the disadvantage of hi tech equipment but its at the advantage that it got its armaments under better control and their army is not mercenary,, like saudi,,who are foreign army man,,,

 

[Serpentine]

Shouldn't Iranian and Arab weapons be pointed at Israel?

Iran's weapons are nor pointed at Arabs.They are big mouthing about us,we ignore them.
Just look how all Arab countries gathered together to talk about Ahmadinejad's visit to Abu Musa.We visit our islands,they become horrified.

 

[lem34]

Yes indeed, but the philosophy behind creating this topic was that I see Saudi members regularly threatening to "destroy Iran". This topic should be a good comparison at who can destroy what.

Yea but everyone except a few Arabs on here accept they do not stand a chance without American assistance

 

[Xestan]

What on earth are we discussing people? Wake up! There shouldn't be any wars between Muslim countries, and we should refrain from such comparisons which invite flames.