Iran unveils Fattah-2 hypersonic missile

[Deez Nutz]

This is American version, du you support American point of view ?

Feelings are mutual, I was just kidding you after Qaher 313 I stop taking Iranians seriously.

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Can your country even make this without ordering a kit online?

 

[Deez Nutz]

This is American version, du you support American point of view ?

No, it is not just an American version. It is a fact. Khan stole the designed from Europe, and sold it to Iran, NK, and Lybia to make more money for his own nuke program which was a smart thing to do compare to these azari mullahs in Iran, who enrich uranium not to make the bomb for protection of Iran, but only to give it to russia for free, and get more sanctioned so they enrich even more to give away.

isn't that what this looks like no matter what they all say?

Pakistan and NK make the bombs, Iran mullahs installs IAEA cameras on its secret facilities so Iran never makes the bomb.

I really do not like to knock down azaris or anyone without merits, but can you all see what they are doing?

 

[Mehdipersian]

Will Iran share this tech with Pakistan?

Why not?
Only need a good military relationship between two countries

 

[Mehdipersian]

that guy was a rogue criminal who stole designs from URENCO then sold them on the black market to anyone who was interested

not quite the same thing is it

I do not agree with you. Abdul Qadeer Khan was a legend.

 

[HGV]

I do not agree with you. Abdul Qadeer Khan was a legend.

which part do you disagree with specifically?

he was, by definition, a criminal who stole blueprints from URENCO

and a rogue because he sold those on the black market without permission from anyone

you can acknowledge these things and still like him

 

[Mehdipersian]

which part do you disagree with specifically?

he was, by definition, a criminal who stole blueprints from URENCO

and a rogue because he sold those on the black market without permission from anyone

you can acknowledge these things and still like him

What he did was for the benefit of Pakistan, Iran, North Korea, etc

 

[DoubleYouSee]

 

[aziqbal]

Hypersonic missiles

very hard to detect, even harder to track and almost impossible to intercept because of the speed and ballistics involved

they should be kept for the Israeli F35I air force base in any opening war

 

[PakAlp]

What he did was for the benefit of Pakistan, Iran, North Korea, etc

How do people believe countries like Iran North Korea and Pakistan are building cutting edge technologies based missiles. They are ofcourse getting outside help, either through black market or through other nations, its possible they have deep military relations between themselves, adding their own hard work aswell. Good job, they have every right to defend themselves.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Hypersonic missiles

very hard to detect, even harder to track and almost impossible to intercept because of the speed and ballistics involved

they should be kept for the Israeli F35I air force base in any opening war

Easy to detect because of their speed ( excessive infrared signature) and tracking is also possible because of excessive IR and big RCS but interceptions are nearly impossible for current technology

 

[Beny Karachun]

Easy to detect because of their speed ( excessive infrared signature) and tracking is also possible because of excessive IR and big RCS but interceptions are nearly impossible for current technology

Russian style HGV are hard to intercept at their midphase due to their flat trajectory and their capability to maneuever. However, this capability will work only against *large countries* over *long distances*.

For example, if Russia launches such a missile at the US through Europe, it would probably be able to evade air defenses above Europe and the ocean. The US does not know where the missile is heading, so it doesn't know what's the best place to launch an anti-ballistic missile to.

However, if the US intelligence would know the precise location the missile is heading to, for example, Washington D.C, they would know with certainty where to launch the interceptor to and the interceptor would be able to adjust itself and hit the missile, because it is possible to calculate an area which the missile has to go through in order to be able to hit the target. The closer the missile gets to the target, the smaller that area gets. All that's left is to launch an interceptor through that area.

Now, when you're dealing with way wider, generally parabolic trajectories the newer Iranian missiles are using, against a small, short distance known target like Israel, that area the missile has to pass through is small and known. The capability of HGVs to escape air defenses lies within the uncertainty of where the missile is heading to. Once you know where the missile is heading to, you generally know where to fire missiles at, and the missile will make the micro adjustments needed in order to hit the target.

 

[Stryker1982]

I think Iran get some centrifuges designs from somewhere ?

Um no. It's alleged the original iR-1 first gen was acquired from Pakistan decades ago but that's very old now and the tech is well beyond that.

Now, when you're dealing with way wider, generally parabolic trajectories the newer Iranian missiles are using, against a small, short distance known target like Israel, that area the missile has to pass through is small and known. The capability of HGVs to escape air defenses lies within the uncertainty of where the missile is heading to. Once you know where the missile is heading to, you generally know where to fire missiles at, and the missile will make the micro adjustments needed in order to hit the target.

By the time it reaches near engagement zone, the time crunch doesn't give time to predict, say low hypersonic around Mach 5 speed. you'd have only seconds. you'd have to launch SAMs immediately and pray.

How do people believe countries like Iran North Korea and Pakistan are building cutting edge technologies based missiles. They are ofcourse getting outside help,

No need to guess, you'd study the missile and look for hints.

For example, NK's Hypersonic glider is truly impressive and very much unlikely they built it on their own. How ever in Pakistan and Iran you can see missiles that look purely indigenous mostly because other countries have not employed the same subsystems that are use.

For example in this new missile, you have indigenous engine with a unqiue diameter with no foreign engine that can meet specifications. The warhead also features a liquid fuel engine inside which isn't exactly something that would indicate outside cooperation since that is well within Iran's technical reach and performance.

However, if we saw a scramjet engine employed on the 2nd stage, I would be suspicious their was Russian cooperation to create an Iranian zircon missile. This is a hypersonic CM, but it's performance is not at the level of Russian Zircon, It's on the lower end and cheaper end of HCMs but still HCM. Although I suspect due to maneuvering it loses a considerable amount of speed by the time it impacts, but would stay HCM for most of it's flight time.

 

[NotSure]

Russian style HGV are hard to intercept at their midphase due to their flat trajectory and their capability to maneuever. However, this capability will work only against *large countries* over *long distances*.

For example, if Russia launches such a missile at the US through Europe, it would probably be able to evade air defenses above Europe and the ocean. The US does not know where the missile is heading, so it doesn't know what's the best place to launch an anti-ballistic missile to.

However, if the US intelligence would know the precise location the missile is heading to, for example, Washington D.C, they would know with certainty where to launch the interceptor to and the interceptor would be able to adjust itself and hit the missile, because it is possible to calculate an area which the missile has to go through in order to be able to hit the target. The closer the missile gets to the target, the smaller that area gets. All that's left is to launch an interceptor through that area.

Now, when you're dealing with way wider, generally parabolic trajectories the newer Iranian missiles are using, against a small, short distance known target like Israel, that area the missile has to pass through is small and known. The capability of HGVs to escape air defenses lies within the uncertainty of where the missile is heading to. Once you know where the missile is heading to, you generally know where to fire missiles at, and the missile will make the micro adjustments needed in order to hit the target.

Beeing able to calculate the general space v at the time t and beeing able to hit the target are two complete different things. Because the interceptors still have their kinematic limits ...

 

[Trango Towers]

The real question is,

DOES PAKISTAN HAVE THE BALLS TO ASK IRAN FOR TECH-SHARING.

Pakistani rulers have no balls at all. We have khusra bilo rani

that guy was a rogue criminal who stole designs from URENCO then sold them on the black market to anyone who was interested

not quite the same thing is it

U think all the military technology each country creates is indigenous? Example every missile is based on v2 rockets. Drones based v1 rockets. Aircraft tech etc etc etc...so everyone spies on each other and buys and sells tech. J10 form purchased design of the Levi.
You sadly are repeating the western propaganda line to isolate and vilify an individual.

 

[Beny Karachun]

Beeing able to calculate the general space v at the time t and beeing able to hit the target are two complete different things. Because the interceptors still have their kinematic limits ...

That space is within those kinematic limits, especially the limits of Arrow 3.