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Iran to Dispatch about 80,000 Hajj Pilgrims to Saudi Arabia This Year: Official



March, 05, 2017

TEHRAN (Tasnim) – Iran plans to send at least 80,000 nationals to Saudi Arabia for Hajj pilgrimage this summer provided that remaining issues are resolved in the ongoing talks with Riyadh, the representative of the Leader of the Islamic Revolution in Hajj and pilgrimage affairs said.

Speaking to reporters in Tehran on Sunday, Ali Qazi-Askar highlighted the talks between Iran and Saudi Arabia on the Hajj pilgrimage of Iranians and said most of the disputed issues have been resolved in the negotiations, expressing the hope that the remaining problems would be resolved in coming days.

He said if the issues are completely resolved, the two sides will witness the dispatch of Iranian nationals for Hajj pilgrimage.

“In the next (Iranian) year, we will dispatch at least 80,000 Hajj pilgrims to the Land of Revelation (Mecca),” he said.

An Iranian delegation traveled to Saudi Arabia on February 23 for the talks on the Hajj pilgrimage of Iranians.

More than 1.8 million faithful took part in last year’s Hajj, but Iranians stayed at home after tensions between Riyadh and Tehran boiled over following a deadly crush of people during the 2015 pilgrimage.

On September 24, 2015, thousands of people lost their lives in the crush after Saudi authorities blocked a road in Mina during a ritual, forcing large crowds of pilgrims to collide.

The crush was the deadliest incident in the history of the pilgrimage. Saudi Arabia claims nearly 770 people were killed in the incident, but officials at Iran’s Hajj and Pilgrimage Organization say about 7,000 people, including over 460 Iranian pilgrims, lost their lives.

https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2...-year-official

Very good. I especially look forward to seeing the Iranian Arabs back again.
 
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Iranian pilgrims will participate in the Hajj season of this year
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In the past year, no Iranian participated in the Hajj, which was a first in three decades, following a diplomatic crisis between Tehran and Riyadh. (AFP)​

Staff writer, Al Arabiya English
Friday, 17 March 2017

The Saudi Ministry of Hajj and Umra and the Pilgrimage Organization of Iran completed all the necessary arrangements for the participation of Iranian pilgrims in the Hajj season of 2017 (1438AH), according to the approved procedures with various Islamic countries.

This comes from the directives of the Saudi Government led by Saudi King Salman bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud, the Crown Prince and the deputy Crown Prince.

The Minister of Hajj and Umra Dr. Mohammed Benten met with the President of the Pilgrimage Organization Hamid Mohammedi and his accompanying delegation, to discuss Iranian pilgrims’ affairs arrangements for Hajj this year 2017 (1438AH).

In the past year, no Iranian participated in the Hajj, which was a first in three decades, following a diplomatic crisis between Tehran and Riyadh after Iranian protesters attacked the Saudi Embassy in Tehran.

Last Update: Friday, 17 March 2017 KSA 16:10 - GMT 13:10

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/Ne...ticipate-in-the-Hajj-season-of-this-year.html

Non-Muslim Iranians are crying that their countrymen are going to waste 100's of millions if not a few billions in KSA. Too bad that their Zoroastrian religion is dead and has 0,01% the following that Islam has. It must hurt them tremendously.

Anyway we will welcome Iranian Muslims with open arms and in particular the Iranian Arabs.
 
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Arabs like to waste their money on buying western weapons a minority Iranian arabs like haj Tourism, no big deal as mashad and Emam Reza shrine is also great source of income and will stay like that even if whole Iran would become atheïst. Saudi shias, kuwaiti shias and Bahrainis shias are welcome as tourists.

Meanwhile secularization of our culture started in early 20th century and is active and moving forward.

The wealth of the Arab world and Arabs is at least 100 if not 500 times bigger than the combined wealth of Iran and Iranians. I am being generous here.

In fact 1 single diaspora Arab (Carlos Slim - the 3 richest man in the world) out of 30 + millions in Latin America of Arab ancestry alone, is probably worth more than the entire Western European Iranian diaspora.

So that a few 1000 Arab Shias visit some mosque and shrine of a long dead Arab, built by Arabs in a city once controlled/ruled by Arabs, with an Arab name moreover, is no big deal compared to the millions upon millions of Iranians who have visited Makkah and Madinah just during your lifetime and the many more that will visit.

Half of the Arab world was secular and republican before Mullah rule in Iran and when Iran was ruled by a absolute monarch (as for all of recorded history - even currently as the current system can be considered a Wilayat al-Faqih monarchy).

Anyway we will look forward to Iranian pilgrims, in particular Iranian Arabs, coming again as long as they can behave themselves which most of them can.

Moreover there are 1.7 billion Muslims. 80.000 Iranians or not changes absolutely nothing but it is better that they spend their money in KSA and not inside Iran as that money spent inside Iran will likely be used to finance the Mullah regime.

And I very much support you leaving Islam so you can focus on your eastern brothers in tiny Tajikistan and heavily impoverished Afghanistan and leave beautiful and ancient lands such as Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Bahrain and Yemen alone. Might as well try to convert them to that dead religion while at it. This would make the GCC more secure given the number of Afghan troublemakers (murderers, rapists, drug smugglers, low-skilled laborers, illegal migrants etc.).

However sadly that won't happen as you will become an completely isolated entity in the region so the rulers of Iran will stick to Islam as has been the case for 1400 years as without it, they are seen as aliens in the region. Without that element you would have zero influence anywhere outside of Tajikistan and Afghanistan although those two happen to be some of the most Muslim nations and peoples (Sunni moreover) so I even doubt about that.

Anyway good luck and may a few anti-Arab/anti-Muslim Iranian "pilgrims" infiltrate that 80.000 group of people so they can be dealt with and be made an example of.

I am sure that @Full Moon is in agreement with me.

Anyway for my part this post is only aimed at the anti-Arab Iranians as 90% of the 500 million Arabs do not bother the slightest about Iran or Iranians (too small and too weak a country for us to bother about it - Israel is 1000 times the topic let alone the US), and the remaining 10% only bother about Iran due to the actions of the Iranian Mullah's. Pre-1979 nobody bothered about Iran or Iranians or had a negative or positive view. It is mostly Iranians who obsess about Arabs and hold ancient grudges due to how history worked. Only more recently have Arabs tried to "pay a bit of the obsession" back. Arabs have 100 times more reason to despise Mongols for instance than Iranians however nobody even gives Mongols or Mongolia a thought other than during history classes.
 
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The wealth of the Arab world and Arabs is at least 100 if not 500 times bigger than the combined wealth of Iran and Iranians. I am being generous here.

In fact 1 single diaspora Arab (Carlos Slim - the 3 richest man in the world) out of 30 + millions in Latin America of Arab ancestry alone, is probably worth more than the entire Western European Iranian diaspora.

So that a few 1000 Arab Shias visit some mosque and shrine of a long dead Arab, built by Arabs in a city once controlled/ruled by Arabs, with an Arab name moreover, is no big deal compared to the millions upon millions of Iranians who have visited Makkah and Madinah just during your lifetime and the many more that will visit.

Half of the Arab world was secular and republican before Mullah rule in Iran and when Iran was ruled by a absolute monarch (as for all of recorded history - even currently as the current system can be considered a Wilayat al-Faqih monarchy).

Anyway we will look forward to Iranian pilgrims, in particular Iranian Arabs, coming again as long as they can behave themselves which most of them can.

Moreover there are 1.7 billion Muslims. 80.000 Iranians or not changes absolutely nothing but it is better that they spend their money in KSA and not inside Iran as that money spent inside Iran will likely be used to finance the Mullah regime.

And I very much support you leaving Islam so you can focus on your eastern brothers in tiny Tajikistan and heavily impoverished Afghanistan and leave beautiful and ancient lands such as Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Bahrain and Yemen alone. Might as well try to convert them to that dead religion while at it. This would make the GCC more secure given the number of Afghan troublemakers (murderers, rapists, drug smugglers, low-skilled laborers, illegal migrants etc.).

However sadly that won't happen as you will become an completely isolated entity in the region so the rulers of Iran will stick to Islam as has been the case for 1400 years as without it, they are seen as aliens in the region. Without that element you would have zero influence anywhere outside of Tajikistan and Afghanistan although those two happen to be some of the most Muslim nations and peoples (Sunni moreover) so I even doubt about that.

Anyway good luck and may a few anti-Arab/anti-Muslim Iranian "pilgrims" infiltrate that 80.000 group of people so they can be dealt with and be made an example of.

I am sure that @Full Moon is in agreement with me.
  • Arab league per capita income is just 9,347. that's not something to say they have a strong economy.
  • Yes GCC has strong economy (if we look to income per capita ppp as a measuring tool), mainly because of a lower population than Iran, but having more resources.
  • saudi tourism sector is not that impressive while they were open to whole world. For example Turkey receives 40 million tourists every year.
  • Mashhad is not visited by few thousands people, some say that it receives even more visitors than mecca!
  • Arab diaspora is 13 million in total from which 6 million leave in other arab countries, so that makes it 7 million people in total. There are conflicting sources about how large they are, so it's somewhere in the middle. The rich ones are the christians who are almost wiped out from Gcc, Iraq, Syria etc. So they mix with the population of the countries they went to, since the locals there are also Christian. An example is Shakira (the singer)
  • Visiting of mecca left millions of non-arabs stay in Saudi arabia in the last 1400 years and mix with the locals because of Islam as common religion. Now Saudi arabia is abusing labourers and forcefully deporting some, because they're scared that the millions will stay there.
  • Arab world has no affinity or connection to each other. Faith is only thing that connects them and after that language. North african call themselves Moroccan, algerian etc instead of arab.
  • Iranian neth worth of Iranian diaspora in 2006 $1.3 trillion
  • Arabs had secular dictators yes, we had the constitutional revolution between 1905 and 1911
  • Saudi has ruined beautiful Syria, Iraq, Yemen and they have to pay back to build up those countries.
  • 1.7 billion Muslims is nice by birth rate, but whole nations are moving towards secularism and those who don't do that get destroyed by wars. These 1.7 billion people didnt help saudi to win against bare foot Yemenis. Nice numbers, no meaning.
  • Lastly our focus will be on giants of asia (India, China, Pakistan etc). Silk road is being rebuilt now, ports are connecting us etc.
  • Our culture has mostly a look towards East (asia), yours more towards afrika, somalia, djibouti etc. Your future will also be closer connected to theirs. So I welcome saudi trade with east, it will also benefit Iran indirectly. I especially like oil-for-goods deals, or putting oil money in asian companies to make them great.
 
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Except for that number being wrong but wealth here also means the wealth of 500 million people and the wealth that the Arab world is home to in terms of resources which are second to none. Already the economies of the GCC alone are 5-6 times larger than the Iranian economy let alone the remaining Arab world. It's a joke to make any comparisons. The Arab diaspora alone is many times richer than the Iranian one. In fact the Arab diaspora in Latin America alone.

There is no tourism sector in KSA yet KSA is the 14th most visited country in the world. Once KSA opens up few countries in the world will be able to compete let alone regional ones.

Mashhad is nowhere near close to being as much visited as Makkah and Madinah. It would not surprise me if the vast majority of the visitors were local Iranians. A very old habit of theirs to visit the shrines of long dead Arabs.

The Arab diaspora in Latin America (people of Arab ancestry) is around 30 million alone. 10-15 million in Brazil so those numbers are obviously nonsense numbers.

There are 3.5 million Arab-Americans alone. At least 2 million Iranian-Arabs and even more Turkish Arabs nowadays. In Germany alone you have nowadays more than 1 million German-Arabs. Obviously those numbers are baseless.

In any case the wealth of the Arab diaspora and number of billionaires is many times greater than the Iranian one even per capita.

There has hardly been any mixing and most foreign communities are recent arrivals. And Iranians should not talk about mixing. You are basically Arabs genetically to a large degree as all of your most common haplogroups originate in the Arab world and were first born by people native to the Arab world. Not only being conquered left and right by everyone and their dog.

The Arab world has affinity on all possible fronts. More affinity than minorities in Iran have with Persians.

Comparing Islam with your irrelevant and dead religion (Zoroastrianism) is as big a joke as comparing Arabs with Iranians and the Arab world with Iran.

The Arab world was the center of the world and is the cradle of civilization and the geographic center of the world connecting Europe, Asia and Africa with each other.
We reached Southeast Asia before anyone had heard about Iran in that part of the world. Arab empires reached an influence, size and global outreach that Iranians can only dream about. Something that is felt to this very day which cannot be said about your equivalents. They are most dead or have stagnated completely and influenced by foreign, shown to be clearly superior and stronger, cultures. That's the harsh reality that your likes have to live with 24/7.

In any case may I tell you once again, like every historian can attest to, that you first encountered civilization (something crucial such as writing and an alphabet) when you met the ancestors of modern-day Arabs (Semites) who built the first civilizations on the planet and basically invented the wheel, writing, the first alphabets, the first cities, agriculture, mathematics, science etc. Most of your pre-Islamic history is basically a ripoff.
  • Semitism/afro-asiatism is comparable to Indo-europeanism. Indo-europeans dwarf semites in all fields, whealth, technology, number of coutries, people, amount of land, influence left on earth.
  • Semites left some religions which is dying in europe, canada, america (look to christianity in west) and the rest of the world will follow eventually with this progress (not during our lifetime, but it will happen).
  • Their religion is influenced by sumerian mythology, zoroastrianism with even traces of Iranian words in quran while quran claims it's pure arabic.
  • Judaism took it final form and wrote almost all its books while being ruled by achaemenids, being influenced by Iranian religion. Iranian kings are seen as prophets (cyrus the great) by original semitic religion (not copies of judaism and christianity later)
  • Arab Dna/haplogroup among non-arabs in Iran is barely 4,5% average, and it's not even sure if that is correct or lated to post-islam arab migrations.
  • Mecca and Medina have for 1400 years been international holy sites for muslims to come and stay there, it was their dream land, so they stayed and mixed with arabs, at leas 16% of saudis have black african ancestors for example. Look at the soccer team (I admit saudi blacks are overrepresented in sport, but it gives an indication
  • Further Iranians build up half of Islamic religion (hadith collecting, writing etc else you wouldnt know how to pray etc)
  • Iranians ruled 40-50% of the world population, making them the biggest empire ever.
  • Writing was already in the region (hittites, sumerians, chinese, possible bmac writing, indus vally civilization, Greek linear A and B, old elamite) all being local inventions, as old-persian alphabet was also native invention by the Persians. Arabic abjad writing isnt even a complete alphabet, it's a stupid alphabet which should be changed like ataturk did. Before arabs we produced also alphabets based on semitic system, but not the arabic ones.
  • Without the Indo-Iranian nummeral base 10 nummeral system which is a standard in world we would still live in caves. So don't talk about science please, it gets funny.
  • Try to defeat houthis, then we'll talk about your mighty power :lol: after that rebuild the houses of 30 million yemenis.
 
  • Semitism/afro-asiatism is comparable to Indo-europeanism. Indo-europeans dwarf semites in all fields, whealth, technology, number of coutries, people, amount of land, influence left on earth.
  • Semites left some religions which is dying in europe, canada, america (look to christianity in west) and the rest of the world will follow eventually with this progress (not during our lifetime, but it will happen).
  • Their religion is influenced by sumerian mythology, zoroastrianism with even traces of Iranian words in quran while quran claims it's pure arabic.
  • Judaism took it final form and wrote almost all its books while being ruled by achaemenids, being influenced by Iranian religion. Iranian kings are seen as prophets (cyrus the great) by original semitic religion (not copies of judaism and christianity later)
  • Arab Dna/haplogroup among non-arabs in Iran is barely 4,5% average, and it's not even sure if that is correct or lated to post-islam arab migrations.
  • Mecca and Medina have for 1400 years been international holy sites for muslims to come and stay there, it was their dream land, so they stayed and mixed with arabs, at leas 16% of saudis have black african ancestors for example. Look at the soccer team (I admit saudi blacks are overrepresented in sport, but it gives an indication
  • Further Iranians build up half of Islamic religion (hadith collecting, writing etc else you wouldnt know how to pray etc)
  • Iranians ruled 40-50% of the world population, making them the biggest empire ever.
  • Writing was already in the region (hittites, sumerians, chinese, possible bmac writing, indus vally civilization, Greek linear A and B, old elamite) all being local inventions, as old-persian alphabet was also native invention by the Persians. Arabic abjad writing isnt even a complete alphabet, it's a stupid alphabet which should be changed like ataturk did. Before arabs we produced also alphabets based on semitic system, but not the arabic ones.
  • Without the Indo-Iranian nummeral base 10 nummeral system which is a standard in world we would still live in caves. So don't talk about science please, it gets funny.
  • Try to defeat houthis, then we'll talk about your mighty power :lol: after that rebuild the houses of 30 million yemenis.

Except for the fact that it is not. There is no ethnicity called Indo-European. It is purely a language family. 95% of its speakers have absolutely no genetic affinity.

Unlike Semitic speakers who are all native to the same region, share very similar cultures and are genetically closely related as confirmed by modern-day genetics. Or modern-day Arabs.

Once again, Arabs (overall) have a closer genetic affinity to Europeans in particular neighboring Southern Europeans than Iranians have. So have Turkic-speaking Turks.

And to compare Semitic civilizations and culture with Iranian is a joke considering everything that I mentioned before and which all historians are well aware of and even more so when Iranian culture is heavily influenced by Semitic civilization and culture (pre-Islamic and Islamic) and considering the fact that your first encounter with civilization itself was when you met our ancestors.

Sumerians are natives of Southern Iraq and Eastern Arabia. They are part of our legacy and have nothing to do with Iran and Iranians.

The Qur'an has not a single Iranian word, lol.

Judaism predates the notion of Iran by 500 years.

All the most common haplogroups J1, J2 and E originate from the Arab world.

Afro-Arabs in KSA number 10%. Actual numbers 2 million. Afro-Iranians number 1 million.

No, Arabs created 3 empires that were bigger alone. The Umayyad empire was 3 times as big as the biggest Iranian empire. Also the Arabs left a much greater legacy and changed world history much more profoundly.

Pre-Islamic Iran was basically copying ancient Semitic culture and civilizations and also the first empires in history (Akkadian and Assyrian empires).

A few Arabized Iranians (who could might as well have been of Arab origin or partial Arab origin - quite a few of them were that, and who originated in mostly modern-day Tajikistan and Afghanistan - people proven to be less genetically related to modern-day Iranians than neighboring Arabs are, lol) only helped collect what was already written and known. No achievement.

All alphabets derive from Semitic alphabets created by our ancestors as all the other things I mentioned (civilization itself basically).

The oldest alphabet in the world.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Sinaitic_script

Anyway there is a reason why you, when you first became relevant in history some 2500 years ago, made the Semitic Akkadian a state language, copied Semitic alphabets to create a copy that you called "Persian" alphabet, made Babylon (the most famous ancient city and built by our ancestors) your capital, copied previous Semitic empires, copied their clothing, architecture and even national symbols. Every historian knows this very well so it is a joke to even make any comparisons similar to the joke of this discussion and its nature.

I honestly believe that you should try to convince yourself and everyone you know of Islam being a much less influential and important religion than your Zoroastrianism and also that Iran is comparable to the GCC let alone the entire Arab world when it comes to economy, influence, legacy, history, diaspora, wealth etc. while you are it.


In the meantime enjoy the fact that almost 100.000 of your compatriots are going to KSA and that your people and entity is heavily influenced by events that took place 1400 years ago let alone pre-Islamic events that I will skip for now other than what I have written already.

So no wonder that most of you guys have the psyche and obsession that you have. Something that cannot be repaid unless your likes beg for such a reply.
 
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Iran to Dispatch about 80,000 Hajj Pilgrims to Saudi Arabia This Year: Official



March, 05, 2017

TEHRAN (Tasnim) – Iran plans to send at least 80,000 nationals to Saudi Arabia for Hajj pilgrimage this summer provided that remaining issues are resolved in the ongoing talks with Riyadh, the representative of the Leader of the Islamic Revolution in Hajj and pilgrimage affairs said.

Speaking to reporters in Tehran on Sunday, Ali Qazi-Askar highlighted the talks between Iran and Saudi Arabia on the Hajj pilgrimage of Iranians and said most of the disputed issues have been resolved in the negotiations, expressing the hope that the remaining problems would be resolved in coming days.

He said if the issues are completely resolved, the two sides will witness the dispatch of Iranian nationals for Hajj pilgrimage.

“In the next (Iranian) year, we will dispatch at least 80,000 Hajj pilgrims to the Land of Revelation (Mecca),” he said.

An Iranian delegation traveled to Saudi Arabia on February 23 for the talks on the Hajj pilgrimage of Iranians.

More than 1.8 million faithful took part in last year’s Hajj, but Iranians stayed at home after tensions between Riyadh and Tehran boiled over following a deadly crush of people during the 2015 pilgrimage.

On September 24, 2015, thousands of people lost their lives in the crush after Saudi authorities blocked a road in Mina during a ritual, forcing large crowds of pilgrims to collide.

The crush was the deadliest incident in the history of the pilgrimage. Saudi Arabia claims nearly 770 people were killed in the incident, but officials at Iran’s Hajj and Pilgrimage Organization say about 7,000 people, including over 460 Iranian pilgrims, lost their lives.

https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2...-year-official
Good to see you active again my friend after very long time
 
A final remark:

Please continue denying the historical reality and ground realities (which every well-informed historian and person knows about) and create an alternative reality. It does not bother me the slightest as I wrote most of what I intended to write although it only took me a few minutes to write the replies. Basically I consider the nature of this discussion to be self-evident as well as the conclusions drawn from it. After all it is not us Arabs that have something to prove or whose entire history was profoundly changed on every imaginable front by an foreign entity but the other way around hence my previous conclusions about psyche, obsession, this not being repaid historically and only nowadays due to the political tensions and yet other adversaries are given much more thought.

Anyway as I wrote initially 80.000 Iranian pilgrims or not is irrelevant when there are 1.7 billion Muslims out there (growing constantly) and the fact that millions upon millions of Pakistanis alone have waited/are willing to wait years if not half a life-time in order to get the chance to perform Hajj or Umrah.

All I care about is that those 80.000 won't cause a security problem as earlier but other than that they will be welcomed as any other people and we especially look forward to seeing the Iranian Arabs again.

However it is nice knowing that such news is really a pain in a certain body part for the minority (albeit a loud one) of obsessive anti-Arabs and anti-Muslim Iranians. Mostly seen among the confused diaspora. Ironically most of those people have no idea how much they have been influenced by Arabs and other Semitic peoples on almost every front. Hell, most of them even have Arabic names as the most obvious manifestation of their losing position and tragicomical behavior. One (an objective observer) would feel pity with such people, I do too, but it is funnier to poke to them a bit and bring them down to earth as the reality is not something they like to hear. Hence the delusion.

Good to see you active again my friend after very long time

Good to see you active as well brother. Hopefully everything is well in beautiful Oman.:-)
 
Except for the fact that it is not. There is no ethnicity called Indo-European. It is purely a language family. 95% of its speakers have absolutely no genetic affinity.

Unlike Semitic speakers who are all native to the same region, share very similar cultures and are genetically closely related as confirmed by modern-day genetics. Or modern-day Arabs.

Once again, Arabs (overall) have a closer genetic affinity to Europeans in particular neighboring Southern Europeans than Iranians have. So have Turkic-speaking Turks.


Technically, Afro-Asiatic speakers don't have much of a close genetic affinity either. e.g Ashkenazi Jews cluster with other Eastern Europeans rather than Peninsular/Gulf Arabs. Same case with Maghrebis and Berbers. And do you have a source for Arabs (Peninsular and Gulf ones) being closer to Southern Europeans than Iranians? Levantines are definitely, but they are mostly Arabized.
 
I pray that all muslim ummah unite despite difference in this hours of time.. as day by day things are getting worse for mulsims...
 
Technically, Afro-Asiatic speakers don't have much of a close genetic affinity either. e.g Ashkenazi Jews cluster with other Eastern Europeans rather than Peninsular/Gulf Arabs. Same case with Maghrebis and Berbers. And do you have a source for Arabs (Peninsular and Gulf ones) being closer to Southern Europeans than Iranians? Levantines are definitely, but they are mostly Arabized.

Nobody was speaking about "Afro-Asiatic" speakers anywhere in this thread other than you. It is evident that Afro-Asiatic speakers outside of the Arab world who happen to speak languages belonging to that language family (the oldest language family in the world) have no genetic affinity (other than what binds all humans together genetically since we are all related) similar to how 95% of all Indo-European speakers have no genetic affinity best exemplified by my previous examples that you are quoting. Or similar to how Indo-European speaking Persians have no genetic affinity to Indo-European speaking Spaniards or how Indo-European speaking Sri Lankans have no genetic affinity to English-speaking Brits.

I was talking about Semitic speakers specifically who are native to the same region (Arab world), have very similar languages, have had very similar ancient civilizations and cultures (the first recorded in the world in fact) and who cluster with each other genetically more than any other outsiders to this very day.

Your information is wrong btw.

Genetic Evidence for the Expansion of Arabian Tribes into the Southern Levant and North Africa

"In a recent publication, Bosch et al. (2001) reported on Y-chromosome variation in populations from northwestern (NW) Africa and the Iberian peninsula. They observed a high degree of genetic homogeneity among the NW African Y chromosomes of Moroccan Arabs, Moroccan Berbers, and Saharawis, leading the authors to hypothesize that “the Arabization and Islamization of NW Africa, starting during the 7th century ad, … [were] cultural phenomena without extensive genetic replacement” (p. 1023). H71 (Eu10) was found to be the second-most-frequent haplogroup in that area. Following the hypothesis of Semino et al. (2000), the authors suggested that this haplogroup had spread out from the Middle East with the Neolithic wave of advance. Our recent findings (Nebel et al. 2000, 2001), however, suggest that the majority of Eu10 chromosomes in NW Africa are due to recent gene flow caused by the migration of Arabian tribes in the first millennium of the Common Era (ce).

In the sample of NW Africans (Bosch et al. 2001), 16 (9.1%) of the 176 Y chromosomes studied were of Eu10 (H71 on a haplogroup 9 background). Of these 16 chromosomes, 14 formed a compact microsatellite network: 7 individuals shared a single haplotype, and the haplotypes of the other 7 were one or two mutational steps removed. This low diversity may be indicative of a recent founder effect. Where did these chromosomes come from?

The highest frequency of Eu10 (30%–62.5%) has been observed so far in various Moslem Arab populations in the Middle East (Semino et al. 2000; Nebel et al. 2001). The most frequent Eu10 microsatellite haplotype in NW Africans is identical to a modal haplotype (DYS19-14, DYS388-17, DYS390-23, DYS391-11, DYS392-11, DYS393-12) of Moslem Arabs who live in a small area in the north of Israel, the Galilee (Nebel et al. 2000). This haplotype, which is present in the Galilee at 18.5%, was termed the modal haplotype of the Galilee (MH Galilee) (Nebel et al. 2000). Notably, it is absent from two distinct non-Arab Middle Eastern populations, Jews and Muslim Kurds, both of whom have significant Eu10 frequencies—18% and 12%, respectively (Nebel et al. 2001). Interestingly, this modal haplotype is also the most frequent haplotype (11 [∼41%] of 27 individuals) in the population from the town of Sena, in Yemen (Thomas et al. 2000). Its single-step neighbor is the most common haplotype of the Yemeni Hadramaut sample (5 [∼10%] of 49 chromosomes; Thomas et al. 2000). The presence of this particular modal haplotype at a significant frequency in three separate geographic locales (NW Africa, the Southern Levant, and Yemen) makes independent genetic-drift events unlikely.

It should be noted that the Yemeni samples (Thomas et al. 2000) were not typed for the binary markers (p12f2 and M172) that define Eu10. However, both Yemeni modal haplotypes are present on a haplogroup background compatible with Eu10. These haplotypes carry a DYS388 allele with a high number of repeats (i.e., 17). High repeat numbers of DYS388, ⩾15, were found to occur almost exclusively on Hg9, which comprises Eu9 and Eu10. Furthermore, in a sample of a six Middle Eastern populations, chromosomes with 17 repeats are frequent (40%) in Eu10 and rare (7%) in Eu9 (Nebel et al. 2001).

The term “Arab,” as well as the presence of Arabs in the Syrian desert and the Fertile Crescent, is first seen in the Assyrian sources from the 9th century bce (Eph'al 1984). Originally referring to nomads of central and northern Arabia, the term “Arabs” later came to include the sedentary population of the south, which had its own language and culture. The term thus covers two different stocks that became linguistically and culturally unified yet retained consciousness of their discrete origins (Grohmann et al. 1960; Rentz 1960; Caskel 1966, pp. 19–47; Goldziher 1967, pp. 45–97, 164–190; Beeston 1995; also see Peters 1999). Migrations of southern Arabian tribes northwards have been recorded mainly since the 3d century ce. These tribes settled in various places in central and northern Arabia, as well as in the Fertile Crescent, including areas that are now part of Israel (Dussaud 1955; Ricci 1984). The emergence of Islam in the 7th century ce furthered the unification of the Arabian tribal populations. This unified Arab-Islamic community engaged in a large movement of expansion, the Fertile Crescent and Egypt being the first areas to have been conquered. It is very difficult to trace the tribal composition of the Muslim armies, but it is known that tribes of Yemeni origin formed the bulk of those Muslim contingents that conquered Egypt in the middle of the 7th century ce. Egypt was the primary base for raids further west into the Maghrib. The conquest of North Africa was difficult and took a few decades to complete (Abun-Nasr 1987). The region was militarily and administratively attached to Egypt until the beginning of the 8th century ce. Arab tribes of northern origin entered North Africa as well, both as troops and as migrants. A major wave of migration of such tribes, the Banu Hilal and Banu Sulaym, occurred during the 11th century ce (Abun-Nasr 1987). Thus, the Arabs, both southern (Yemeni) and northern, added to the heterogeneous Maghribi ethnic melting pot.

Little is known of the origins of the indigenous population of the Maghrib, the Berbers, except that they have always been a composite people. After the 8th century ce, a process of Arabization affected the bulk of the Berbers, while the Arab-Islamic culture and population absorbed local elements as well. Under the unifying framework of Islam, on the one hand, and as a result of the Arab settlement, on the other, a fusion took place that resulted in a new ethnocultural entity all over the Maghrib. In addition, Berber tribes sometimes claimed Arab descent in order to enhance their prestige. For example, the Berber nomadic tribe of the western Sahara, the Lamtuna, claimed descent from one of the South Arabian eponyms, Himyar. One of the chiefs of this Berber tribe, Lamtuna, is sometimes referred to as Saharawi, meaning “one of the nomads” or “one who comes from the Sahara” (Ibn al-Athir 1898, p. 462; Ibn Khallikan 1972, pp. 113, 128–129; Lewicki 1986). In Arabic sources, however, the name Saharawi is seldom used and does not seem to refer to a specific genealogical group. In light of these historical data, it is not surprising to find, among the Berbers and contemporary Saharawis of northern Africa, Y chromosomes that may have been introduced by recurrent waves of invaders from the Arabian Peninsula.

These documented historical events, together with the finding of a particular Eu10 haplotype in Yemenis, Palestinians, and NW Africans, are suggestive of a recent common origin of these chromosomes. Remarkably, the only non-Arabs in whom this haplotype has been observed to date are the Berbers (Bosch et al. 2001). It appears that the Eu10 chromosome pool in NW Africa is derived not only from early Neolithic dispersions but also from recent expansions from the Arabian peninsula.

American Society of Human Genetics"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC379148/


Also I was not aware of their being an "Arab" or "North African" genome considering the fact that all haplogroups predate all living ethnic groups by millennia and given that all ethnic groups are social constructs.

Anyway this runs contrary to ground realities which show the following:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J_(Y-DNA)

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Basically across the entire Arab world (which shares a millennia long common Semitic and Afro-Asiatic history and ancestry that predates the Neolithic period and all existing ethnic groups in the Arab world) the same haplogroups are found. The only difference is their frequency but Arabs cluster with each other more than any other people on all genetic tests which is not strange given history.


Genetics

Haplogroup J and E1b1b are the most frequent Y-DNA haplogroups in the Arab world. E1b1b is the most frequent paternal clade among the populations in the western part of the Arab world (Maghreb, Nile Valley and Horn of Africa), whereas haplogroup J is the most frequent paternal clade toward the east (Arabian peninsula and Near East). Other less common haplogroups are R1a, R1b, G, I, L and T.[304][305][306][307][308][309][310][311][312][313][314][315][316]


J-M267

J-M172

E-M215

Listed here are the human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroups in Arabian peninsula, Mashriq/Levant, Maghreb and Nile Valley.[317][318][319][320][321][322][323] Yemeni Arabs J(82.3%), E1b1b (12.9%) and E1b1a (3.2%).[324][325] Saudi Arabs J1 (58%), E1b1b(7.6%), E1b1a (7.6%), R1a (5.1%), T (5.1%), G (3.2%) and L (1.9%).[326][327] Emirati Arabs J (45.1%), E1b1b (11.6%), R1a (7.3%), E1b1a (5.5%), T(4.9%), R1b (4.3%) and L (3%).[324] Omani Arabs J (47.9%), E1b1b (15.7%), R1a (9.1%), T (8.3%), E1b1a (7.4%), R1b (1.7%), G (1.7%) and L (0.8%).[328] Qatari Arabs J (66.7%), R1a (6.9%), E1b1b (5.6%), E1b1a (2.8%), G (2.8%) and L (2.8%).[329][330] Lebanese Arabs J (45.2%), E1b1b (25.8%), R1a (9.7%), R1b (6.4%), G, I and I (3.2%), (3.2%), (3.2%).[331] Syrian Arabs J (58.3%),[332][333] E1b1b (12.0%), I(5.0%), R1a (10.0%) and R1b 15.0%.[331][333] Palestinian Arabs J (55.2%), E1b1b (20.3%), R1b (8.4%), I(6.3%), G (7%), R1a and T (1.4%), (1.4%).[334][335] Jordanian Arabs J (43.8%), E1b1b (26%), R1b (17.8%), G (4.1%), I (3.4%) and R1a (1.4%).[336] Iraqi Arabs J (50.6%), E1b1b (10.8%), R1b (10.8%), R1a (6.9%) and T (5.9%).[337][338] Egyptian Arabs E1b1b (36.7%) and J (32%), G (8.8%), T (8.2% R1b (4.1%), E1b1a (2.8%) and I(0.7%).[319][339] Sudanese Arabs J (47.1%), E1b1b (16.3%), R1b (15.7%) and I(3.13%).[340][341] Moroccan Arabs E1b1b (75.5%) and J1 (20.4%).[342][343] Tunisian ArabsE1b1b(49.3%), J1 (35.8%), R1b (6.8%) and E1b1a (1.4%).[344] Algerian Arabs E1b1b (54%), J1 (35%), R1b(13%).[344] Libyan Arabs E1b1b (35.88%), J (30.53%), E1b1a (8.78%), G (4.20%), R1a/R1b (3.43%) and E (1.53%).[345][346]

The mtDNA haplogroup J has been observed at notable frequencies among overall populations in the Arab world.[347] The maternal clade R0 reaches its highest frequency in the Arabian peninsula,[348] while K and T(specifically subclade T2) is more common in the Levant.[347] In the Nile Valley and Horn of Africa, haplogroups N1and M1;[348] in the Maghreb, haplogroups H1 and U6 are more significant.[349]

There are four principal West Eurasian autosomal DNA components that characterize the populations in the Arab world: the Arabian, Levantine, Coptic and Maghrebi components.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs#Genetics

Another thing, Arabs and Berbers are closely related people and where that long before the Arab conquests, expansion and Islam. As all genetic tests confirm. Let alone linguistic and cultural similarities.



Haplogroup J and E are those that dominate the Arab world and surprise, surprise, those two haplogroups are found at its highest frequencies in all as in all, Arab countries and populations.

Not only that almost everyone in the Arab world identifies as an Arab and follows Arab culture, excluding closely related fellow Semitic and Afro-Asiatic peoples, which is the most important thing, even if we assume that there was no genetic relation, which is obviously the case.

You go and tell an Libyan Arab that he is not an Arab and see the reaction, lol.

We share language, Islamic history as well as ancient pre-Islamic history, ancestry, culture, religion (s), geography, cuisine, climate and we look alike, excluding our Afro-Arab minorities.

I guess more than 99% of all other ethnic groups.




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Case closed and we are off-topic too.
 
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A final remark:

Please continue denying the historical reality and ground realities (which every well-informed historian and person knows about) and create an alternative reality. It does not bother me the slightest as I wrote most of what I intended to write although it only took me a few minutes to write the replies. Basically I consider the nature of this discussion to be self-evident as well as the conclusions drawn from it. After all it is not us Arabs that have something to prove or whose entire history was profoundly changed on every imaginable front by an foreign entity but the other way around hence my previous conclusions about psyche, obsession, this not being repaid historically and only nowadays due to the political tensions and yet other adversaries are given much more thought.

Anyway as I wrote initially 80.000 Iranian pilgrims or not is irrelevant when there are 1.7 billion Muslims out there (growing constantly) and the fact that millions upon millions of Pakistanis alone have waited/are willing to wait years if not half a life-time in order to get the chance to perform Hajj or Umrah.

All I care about is that those 80.000 won't cause a security problem as earlier but other than that they will be welcomed as any other people and we especially look forward to seeing the Iranian Arabs again.

However it is nice knowing that such news is really a pain in a certain body part for the minority (albeit a loud one) of obsessive anti-Arabs and anti-Muslim Iranians. Mostly seen among the confused diaspora. Ironically most of those people have no idea how much they have been influenced by Arabs and other Semitic peoples on almost every front. Hell, most of them even have Arabic names as the most obvious manifestation of their losing position and tragicomical behavior. One (an objective observer) would feel pity with such people, I do too, but it is funnier to poke to them a bit and bring them down to earth as the reality is not something they like to hear. Hence the delusion.



Good to see you active as well brother. Hopefully everything is well in beautiful Oman.:-)

Now i am in Riyadh.
 
Arab world has no affinity or connection to each other. Faith is only thing that connects them and after that language. North african call themselves Moroccan, algerian etc instead of arab.


Why are you dragging my people into this Islamaphobe?

North Africans are Muslim first, Arab second, then their individual nationalities. Screw off with that bull.

Iranians ruled 40-50% of the world population, making them the biggest empire ever.


Wrong


Iranian/Persian empire at the height of it's power.

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VS One Arab empire at the height of its power.

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There is a reason why your people were running over each other in a pathetic attempt to re-create the Arab glory that was this. Instead you made your terrible republic.

Call us North african Arabs when you find a empire even half as large as this in your Persian history.

Until then don't act so tough Persian.
 

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