"Iran should not allow Pakistan to play the role of the U.S. in Afghanistan."

[Pandora]

There are certain elements in Iran that are involved in such propaganda. As long as this isn't official state stance nothing to worry. Let the few dogs bark. The caravan moves on.

Irani FM did gave an official statement regarding Panjshir. Basically he peddled the same Indian propaganda that Pakistanis were there in Panjshir. This is a huge escalation on Part of Iran peddling propaganda on such a high level.

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

Irani FM did gave an official statement regarding Panjshir. Basically he peddled the same Indian propaganda that Pakistanis were there in Panjshir. This is a huge escalation on Part of Iran peddling propaganda on such a high level.

He never mentioned Pakistan by name!

 

[Pandora]

He never mentioned Pakistan by name!

OH yeah
https://iranintl.com/en/world/taliban-claim-victory-panjshir-iran-slams-pakistan-militarys-role

Iran's Foreign Ministry’s Spokesman Saeed Khatibzadeh has criticized Sunday evening’s aerial attacks on the Panjshir valley in northern Afghanistan allegedly carried out by Pakistan in support of the Taliban, who claimed Monday that they have captured the opposition stronghold

Then Ahmedinijad comes forward and repeats same propoganda.
Then your MPs start off with same propoganda.

In Iran no one can even move feather without permission of IRGC and Ayatullah. All your media outlets since churning out propaganda against Pakistan non stop.

 

[SalarHaqq]

OH yeah
https://iranintl.com/en/world/taliban-claim-victory-panjshir-iran-slams-pakistan-militarys-role


Then Ahmedinijad comes forward and repeats same propoganda.
Then your MPs start off with same propoganda.

In Iran no one can even move feather without permission of IRGC and Ayatullah. All your media outlets since churning out propaganda against Pakistan non stop.

It was the Foreign Ministry spokesperson rather than the FM himself. And not only did he not mention Pakistan by name, he did not make any indirect suggestions either. A journalist asked him about purported reports on Pakistani intervention, to which he replied that these reports will need to be investigated ie he refused to confirm or validate them.

Ahmadinejad's a sidelined element, he has had several of his top aides jailed, was barred from running at the recent presidential election and is reduced to peddling anti-establishment diatribe on hostile foreign TV channels. As for the MP, that was one out of 290.

Also the media landscape in Iran is diverse. As an example, see the kind of articles many of them publish, making fun of reformists and their calls for intervention against the Taleban:

Iranian Newspaper Editor Taunts Reformists: BesmEllah, Please Enlist with the "Eslahatiyoun Brigade" [If You Want to Fight the Taleban]

First of all, a few words to introduce Hossein Shariatmadari, editor in chief of Iran's Keyhan daily newspaper. Keyhan is known as one of the ideologically most orthodox media in Iran, insofar as it is staunchly loyal to the spirit and principles of the 1979 Islamic Revolution. Even though...

defence.pk

 

[Muhammed45]

He had a Mental background about Pakistan USA former relations. Just a hint to the curious people

 

[JackTheRipper]

He joined them on a personal level after retirement

They wanted our millitary for full operations in Yemen, like PAF bombing raids, our tanks and ground forces leading invasions

Nothing like that happened

But he was our respectable general due to his family background. and he was leading Saudi alliance.

It was better if he helped to train CTD like departments to crush Anti Pakistani elements.

Anyway, my comment was just because there are lot of people who always wants Pakistan should become anti Iran, just for Saudi's interests, they did same against Iraq..

Now, Saudis are angry, because they want Pakistan should be Anti Turk, like they want Anti Iran in Past.

Tehran Times seems propaganda news agency created by India.

 

[Maula Jatt]

and bomb civilians in yemen?
for that is what the saudis would have us do.

The Saudis are not worth allying with. Neither are the Iranians as we are seeing. Erdogan talks big but does trade deals with Israel in the shadows.
Pakistan should be making its own block and others should be rallying around, adjusting their foreign policies to suit us.
That will only happen when the current military is backed with economic muscle and that takes decades to develop with good leadership and long term planning.

Our policies suit with China on almost every level like it's hard to find where we disagree and it's been like that for decades

Build your economy, take thier help as they're willing to do that, keep out of middle eastern affairs except for doing trade etc

Meanwhile build yourself up to be a top 10 economy atleast in decades down the line

No BS only peace but use your muscle if someone is trying to use your neighborhood against you

 

[kingQamaR]

let’s hope your visiting Iranian official doesn’t become an idiot by making anti statements on Pakhtuns and Pakistan in Delhi.

 

[SQ8]

Its back to the 90s with the indian-Iran alliance … except back then Pakistan had GCC support which isn’t coming now since India essentially controls the UAE government bureaucracy and the Saudis have too much money involved in India as well.

As far as the United States is concerned, it will let India&Iran play their game because at the end national interests dictate keeping the Taliban off balance and civil war In Afghanistan that keeps Pakistan unstable. Keeping Pakistan unstable means China cannot leverage CPEC as envisioned and that is the final goal.

Bigger picture…
Joining the GCC alliance against Iran in Yemen would have set of an initial sectarian bloodbath and created massive political upheaval at a time Pakistan was already vulnerable. But today that might have been useful - however, today that Pakistan would have been different too.

Every path had its opportunity cost and this is the one for choosing that then.

 

[El Sidd]

Ok thanks, but do not worry. Here my wording was actually pretty tame compared to how Iranian activists from competing political camps engage each other. If interested, take a look at the thread I opened about the Keyhan editorialist's criticism of reformists and their anti-Taliban stance:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/iran...gade-if-you-want-to-fight-the-taleban.723036/

Funny but also incisive stuff.

It's borderline imperialism too

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Its back to the 90s with the indian-Iran alliance … except back then Pakistan had GCC support which isn’t coming now since India essentially controls the UAE government bureaucracy and the Saudis have too much money involved in India as well.

As far as the United States is concerned, it will let India&Iran play their game because at the end national interests dictate keeping the Taliban off balance and civil war In Afghanistan that keeps Pakistan unstable. Keeping Pakistan unstable means China cannot leverage CPEC as envisioned and that is the final goal.

Bigger picture…
Joining the GCC alliance against Iran in Yemen would have set of an initial sectarian bloodbath and created massive political upheaval at a time Pakistan was already vulnerable. But today that might have been useful - however, today that Pakistan would have been different too.

Every path had its opportunity cost and this is the one for choosing that then.

The indian/Iran alliance is null and void now that China is a superpower and is going to invest over $400 billion in Iran:

China-Iran $400 Billion Accord: A Power Shift Threatens Western Energy

The specifics of the agreement are largely in line with China’s ongoing Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), spending billions in infrastructure investment with an eye on long term economic and security hegemony.

www.google.co.uk

 

[Goritoes]

Don't make too much of the Sunni tag. Scratch under the surface and many wahhabi scholars consider the Barelvi majority of Pakistan as committing shirk. Likewise the majority of our barelvi scholars consider the wahhabi as not sunni because they don't follow one school of fiqh.

There is a lot of Inter sunni sectarianism too. The only people who get along with the Saudi are the few Pakistani wahhabi and the deobandi who find a partner to play "shirk, biddah, kufr" with.

The reality is Islam in Pakistani politics is like haathi ke daand.

Have you ever see a Sunni Insulting Sahabah or Mothers of Believers? ever See a Sunni invoking Ali RA or other " Imams " and ask for help? I don't want to go in detail but you or anyone else can not change my mind when I have done my own extensive research on this subject.

 

[Goritoes]

Its back to the 90s with the indian-Iran alliance … except back then Pakistan had GCC support which isn’t coming now since India essentially controls the UAE government bureaucracy and the Saudis have too much money involved in India as well.

As far as the United States is concerned, it will let India&Iran play their game because at the end national interests dictate keeping the Taliban off balance and civil war In Afghanistan that keeps Pakistan unstable. Keeping Pakistan unstable means China cannot leverage CPEC as envisioned and that is the final goal.

Bigger picture…
Joining the GCC alliance against Iran in Yemen would have set of an initial sectarian bloodbath and created massive political upheaval at a time Pakistan was already vulnerable. But today that might have been useful - however, today that Pakistan would have been different too.

Every path had its opportunity cost and this is the one for choosing that then.

You know what I feel, when It comes to making Pakistan's foreign Policy there are no right decision, some decision might seems right at the moment or for the time being but eventually we are like, wish we had/had not have done it or etc...I think Pakistan fate and future was change the day we decided to go nuclear and since then major Power are constantly trying to destabilize it one way or another...

Iran, many don't want to accept is extremists Shia and their sectarian ideology drive their Policies for creating allies and enemies on a worldly scale, Yemen and Syria are prime example of it, they are just as you said with India try to keep this dead Panjshir resistance alive or some pockets of resistance from Tajikistan, to make sure that Afghanistan and Pakistan remain unstable, unfortunately our Habibi's in GCC will look at us and remind us about the Alliance they were so eager for us to join, but it all comes down to that when it comes to Pakistan there are no right decisions.

That’s rich coming from you who got defeated by India with 90% of your population is radical terrorist and who gets droned from time to time and don’t forget how the Americans killed bin laden without the knowledge of your isi aka the stronkest intell agency in the world

I smell Khatmal

 

[Dalit]

That’s rich coming from you who got defeated by India with 90% of your population is radical terrorist and who gets droned from time to time and don’t forget how the Americans killed bin laden without the knowledge of your isi aka the stronkest intell agency in the world

Because most of your generals live in their palaces like dostum or Gul while they let the others die in their wars unlike the martyr soleimani which none of your generals dare even to step out of their palaces let alone lead battles in person

LOL look at this troll fuming with anger. We won. End of story troll. Lick your wounds. Nothing that you say or do will change our victory.

Ask your papa US/NATO and India why they are terming this as their biggest defeat in decades LOL

You know what I feel, when It comes to making Pakistan's foreign Policy there are no right decision, some decision might seems right at the moment or for the time being but eventually we are like, wish we had/had not have done it or etc...I think Pakistan fate and future was change the day we decided to go nuclear and since then major Power are constantly trying to destabilize it one way or another...

Iran, many don't want to accept is extremists Shia and their sectarian ideology drive their Policies for creating allies and enemies on a worldly scale, Yemen and Syria are prime example of it, they are just as you said with India try to keep this dead Panjshir resistance alive or some pockets of resistance from Tajikistan, to make sure that Afghanistan and Pakistan remain unstable, unfortunately our Habibi's in GCC will look at us and remind us about the Alliance they were so eager for us to join, but it all comes down to that when it comes to Pakistan there are no right decisions.


I smell Khatmal

He is definitely a dirty Indian.

 

[Salmanov]

LOL look at this troll fuming with anger. We won. End of story troll. Lick your wounds. Nothing that you say or do will change our victory.

Ask your papa US/NATO and India why they are terming this as their biggest defeat in decades LOL


He is definitely a dirty Indian.

Won what??