Iran Seeks Strategic Partnership with India

[A1Kaid]

Iran is a good example of a nation pursuing its own interest without alignment. Pakistan needs to learn a lesson here. Pakistan, India and Iran have a potential to draw a formidable South-Asian block which can control the economy and strategic depth from Middle East to Central Asia!

India got colonized because the warring nawabs thought taking colonial help would enable them to settle scores with neighbouring kingdoms! In the end Indians lost and colonials won!

Iran is a good example of a nation pursuing its own interest without alignment. Pakistan needs to learn a lesson here.

Iran is one of the most isolated countries in the world today, severe economic sanctions have isolated Iran from the world market for the most part. Iran has some flexibility in foreign policy due to it's vast oil resources. So I would hardly consider it a "good example".

Pakistan, India and Iran have a potential to draw a formidable South-Asian block which can control the economy and strategic depth from Middle East to Central Asia!

I don't think this is a viable option.

 

[Sam1980]

Iran is one of the most isolated countries in the world today, severe economic sanctions have isolated Iran from the world market for the most part. Iran has some flexibility in foreign policy due to it's vast oil resources. So I would hardly consider it a "good example".

We are forced into "isolation" because countries are afraid of U.S. punitive measures, so they don't do business with us like they used to, not because we are threatening our neighbours or stability of the region, actually its the other way around.

It's the U.S., Israel and insignificant Persian Gulf arab countries who are starting an Arm race, support terrorism and threatening stability of the region with their radical ideologies that they spread with petrodollars.

Its no only due to our natural resources, Iran is a young country and most of its population is educated, they want to prevent us from reaching our full potential if we don't bow to them. There are thousands of Iranians who migrate to U.S. every year majority of these people are entrepreneurs, business men and in general brains, so what the West tries to do is to create a brain drain (we have this problem for decades, but its becoming more severe) in our country and further pressure us.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

We are forced into "isolation" because countries are afraid of U.S. punitive measures, so they don't do business with us like they used to, not because we are threatening our neighbours or stability of the region, actually its the other way around.

It's the U.S., Israel and insignificant Persian Gulf arab countries who are starting an Arm race, support terrorism and threatening stability of the region with their radical ideologies that they spread with petrodollars.

Its no only due to our natural resources, Iran is a young country and most of its population is educated, they want to prevent us from reaching our full potential if we don't bow to them. There are thousands of Iranians who migrate to U.S. every year majority of these people are entrepreneurs, business men and in general brains, so what the West tries to do is to create a brain drain (we have this problem for decades, but its becoming more severe) in our country and further pressure us.

maybe you should stop looking at elaborate conspiracy theories and ask you leaders why, if they wanted to build nuclear weapons, they signed CTBT and NPT? We wanted to and we didn't sign 'em. You, on the other hand, wanted to build the weapons and still signed them- not a good move.

 

[Developereo]

First of all, people should stop taking diplomatic press releases issued during head of state visit too seriously. What else did you expect the press releases to say?

Secondly, all this talk about Afghanistan, so let me tell the little truth no one wants to say. The fact is that Afghanistan is in a very crucial location and everybody (US, Russia, China, Iran, Arabs, India, Pakistan) wants to control it. All these countries want a "stable" Afghanistan only if they are in control; if the other guys are in control, then these countries will work to destabilize Afghanistan. Unfortunately, given the ethnic divisions within Afghanistan, such proxy destabilization is all too easy.

Finally, people forget that the US rules Afghansitan and the primary objective of the US is to safeguard US national interests in Afhganistan. if people think that the US invested all this effort just to walk away and let Russia or Iran waltz in, they are ignoring reality.

Russia wants to redominate the CARS (has to do with controlling Europe's energy supplies) and there is ZERO chance the US is going to allow that.

Similarly. for US-Iran relations, besides the Israeli factor already mentioned, the fact is that there is ZERO chance the US will allow its interests in Afghanistan to be held hostage to Iran.

The US had counted on India to dominate Afghanistan under US tutelage, both to counter China and to bolster its credentials as a regional power, but India failed abysmally after 11 years. India got sidetracked in its anti-Pakistan obsession to create mischief in Baluchistan, with US encouragement. Ironically, this strengthened Iran-Pakistan relations since both countries do not appreciate the India-US sponsored Baluch nationalism.

As for Chahbahar, don't read too much into it. It's Iranian infrastructure development and, if India wants to spend money, not a problem!

 

[Sam1980]

maybe you should stop looking at elaborate conspiracy theories and ask you leaders why, if they wanted to build nuclear weapons, they signed CTBT and NPT? We wanted to and we didn't sign 'em. You, on the other hand, wanted to build the weapons and still signed them- not a good move.

Who said we want to build the bomb? Do you have any proof for that?
Although I'm probably younger than you and I'm not Indian either but I know of the sanctions against India by Japan and U.S. and several other countries right after you went nuclear.

This is a fact, West doesn't want a powerful Iran, they have planned it for more than a century, Islanders used incompetency of former Iranian leaders to separate Afghanistan and Bahrain and not too long ago they unleashed their dog, Saddam upon us and supported him fully. French even tried to build him a bomb.

Even if we want nuclear bombs it's not anyone's business, we do what is necessary to sustain our long-term interests. I'm not the type who believe in brotherly relations and all this crap, our current relation with neighbouring countries doesn't guarantee our long-term interests, because these neighbours are forcibly cooperating with our enemies, so as long as we feel that regional balance doesn't pose existential threat to us we don't need a bomb, however if the pressure continues we might have to recalculate our stance on this issue.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Who said we want to build the bomb? Do you have any proof for that?
Although I'm probably younger than you and I'm not Indian either but I know of the sanctions against India by Japan and U.S. and several other countries right after you went nuclear.

This is a fact, West doesn't want a powerful Iran, they have planned it for more than a century, Islanders used incompetency of former Iranian leaders to separate Afghanistan and Bahrain and not too long ago they unleashed their dog, Saddam upon us and supported him fully. French even tried to build him a bomb.

Even if we want nuclear bombs it's not anyone's business, we do what is necessary to sustain our long-term interests. I'm not the type who believe in brotherly relations and all this crap, our current relation with neighbouring countries doesn't guarantee our long-term interests, because these neighbours are forcibly cooperating with our enemies, so as long as we feel that regional balance doesn't pose existential threat to us we don't need a bomb, however if the pressure continues we might have to recalculate our stance on this issue.

Actually we had sanctions even before we went nuclear simply because we refused to sign the NPT and CTBT. We decided to accept them coz we wanted to keep the bomb option open. It may not be obvious to you, but to majority of others, it's quite clear where all this leading up to. There are provisions in existing NPT & CTBT structures itself to allow for peaceful reactors under international safeguards. In your case, yoou have built secret facilities away from the world's watch and claim that for some strange reason, these secret facilities are for peaceful research- dude, get real. Nuclear bombs became everyone's business because you made it so. Unlike us, who asked the whole world to take a hike, you just decided to sign NPT and still develop bombs. Your security situation should have been thought of because you got into the NPT regime. The stick they're using to beat you has been given to them by you only.

 

[Sam1980]

Actually we had sanctions even before we went nuclear simply because we refused to sign the NPT and CTBT.

So had we and still have! Sanctions are nothing new we have them for more than 34 years now! Nonetheless sanctions were one of the main reasons that forced you to go nuclear (Actually you are not alone, China did the same, when they faced U.S. aggression).

India maintained (almost) the same number of nuclear warheads for past several years, however India has worked on increasing range of its delivery system. I doubt India would really go nuclear if it wasn't because of regional threats.

We decided to accept them coz we wanted to keep the bomb option open. It may not be obvious to you, but to majority of others, it's quite clear where all this leading up to. There are provisions in existing NPT & CTBT structures itself to allow for peaceful reactors under international safeguards. In your case, yoou have built secret facilities away from the world's watch and claim that for some strange reason, these secret facilities are for peaceful research- dude, get real.

We signed the NPT willingly, and we stopped all nuclear activities for more than 2 years, we cooperated with the U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, instead we faced more sanctions, and was labeled as one of the "Axis of Evil". FYI Iran didn't receive any of the promised benefits of NPT treaty that is offered to signatories, despite that we continued our full cooperation with the agency (within the limits of NPT), but they don't tell you that on Fox News and CNN, now do they?

We are not required to report construction of any new nuclear site to agency within certain time-frame (You may use Google for more information), we are not obliged to provide access to our military sites either. This is all within the NPT.

Nuclear bombs became everyone's business because you made it so. Unlike us, who asked the whole world to take a hike, you just decided to sign NPT and still develop bombs. Your security situation should have been thought of because you got into the NPT regime. The stick they're using to beat you has been given to them by you onl

If wanted to build nuclear bomb (which we don't) no one could stop us, they're doing their best to interfere in our peaceful nuclear program, but each time they face stronger response, each time they intensify the sanctions we respond by either building new centrifuges, or increasing the enrichment levels.

Recent sanctions were gift to Iranian government, I have never seen Iranians so pissed-off at the West for their economic problems. So West really shouldn't count on any revolution, because people will back the nuclear rights even if its means we have to go to a war.

And by the way, I expected more support from Indians, after all you fared the same, and in those times we didn't leave you alone.

 

[Serpentine]

maybe you should stop looking at elaborate conspiracy theories and ask you leaders why, if they wanted to build nuclear weapons, they signed CTBT and NPT? We wanted to and we didn't sign 'em. You, on the other hand, wanted to build the weapons and still signed them- not a good move.

Iran is not making any nuclear weapons.Prove me wrong.Don't believe whatever you hear in western media.If Iran ever wanted to make a bomb, it wouldn't present all of its facilities under IAEA supervision.It wouldn't inform them before starting to make a new enrichment facility.

Nuclear weapons are too 20 century-ish! And the comparison between India and Iran in case of making bombs is wrong.You had your reasons, true or not, but we don't those reason to make a bomb.

And believe me, scientifically, Iran is much better than NK, how come Iran has not been able to make the bomb after all these years? It's simple, because we haven't ever tried to build one.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

@ Sam: Dude, you AVOIDED the sanctions that came with not signing the NPT - we didn't. And no- we didn't go nuclear because of sanctions, we went nuclear because it made sense to us. Our stand on comprehensive disarmament remains the same and if we didn't fear china, we proably would have a limited arsenal even now. 'Suspending' nuclear activities for 2 years is no good when you signed NPT- that stuff is for all time and you knew it when you signed it.

Iran is not making any nuclear weapons.Prove me wrong.Don't believe whatever you here in western media.If Iran ever wanted to make a bomb, it wouldn't present all of its facilities under IAEA supervision.It wouldn't inform them before starting to make a new enrichment facility.

Nuclear weapons are too 20 century-ish! And the comparison between India and Iran in case of making bombs is wrong.You had your reasons, true or not, but we don't those reason to make a bomb.

And believe me, scientifically, Iran is much better than NK, how come Iran has not been able to make the bomb after all these years? It's simple, because we haven't ever tried to build one.

No- we call it screw-driver distance. You'll have all capabilites separately matured and will not be more than a screw driver away to build it.

 

[Sam1980]

@ Sam: Dude, you AVOIDED the sanctions that came with not signing the NPT - we didn't. And no- we didn't go nuclear because of sanctions, we went nuclear because it made sense to us.

We didn't avoid any sanctions, we have been under sanctions for the past 34 years. We signed NPT only to show our true intention which is to use nuclear energy for civilian purposes, we even suspended our nuclear activities as a way to show our goodwill in the negotiations with the West but our good gesture was met with more sanctions.

Under no treaty we were required to suspend our activities. We did that voluntarily.

Our stand on comprehensive disarmament remains the same and if we didn't fear china, we proably would have a limited arsenal even now. 'Suspending' nuclear activities for 2 years is no good when you signed NPT- that stuff is for all time and you knew it when you signed it.

I already pointed out the regional threats as one the reasons that made you build nuclear weapons, but now that you built them you are no longer under any sanctions! Are you? India was sanctioned because the West cannot tolerate any new player to enter the global arena, that resembles our current situation.

What are you talking about?! You are misinterpreting NPT, signing NPT doesn't mean that you can't have any nuclear program (that would be counterintuitive!!), in fact under the agency safeguards signatories can enrich fuel! Signing NPT means (Plainly put, of course! ) that if you abide by certain agency protocols which guarantee that you won't build nuclear weapons you can even get support from the agency (We don't get any!).

Please make sure you have sufficient knowledge about the subject before commenting! Because you are getting your facts wrong! You don't even know the purpose of NPT (based on your previous comments).

Anyway, If it was up to me I would say we exit NPT right now. But our leaders think differently.

No- we call it screw-driver distance. You'll have all capabilites separately matured and will not be more than a screw driver away to build it.

We call it energy dependence, FYI we own %10 of EURODIF shares but yet we are unable to import the necessary fuel for the use in our reactors.

 

[KS]

What Iran does with its uranium is irrelevant to us.

Yes, one more nuclear weapons state is not preferable, but the Iranians themselves are saying they don't want weapons.

So as long as they are not making weapons and are pursuing it for energy purposes (though I cant believe it) then no one must have any problem with them. AS a signatory of NPT they are entitled to that.

Only that they must reduce their jingoistic stance on Israel so that their side of the story gains more credibility and a middle ground can be worked out.

 

[LURKER]

I didn't even mean to bring up the issue of rape, I was just pointing out that flow of information can't be stopped and basically everyone will be able to access information one way or the other, because our friend here, said: "Where did you get all this bullsh1t?" I merely wanted to let him know that what I stated earlier is not fabrication, the information is available, you just need to know how to use Google!

But now that you mentioned the proactive role of media in this issue, I have read somewhere that only %20 of rape cases in India are reported to the police?

I hope police catch these animals, by the way, U.S. is not a good example to compare India with in that criteria!



May I ask which country is that?



True, but in Iran the number of situations are much more than what an Indian intelligence agency should expect to encounter, however most of these threats are neutralized before they can do any harm. And when we catch spies West tries to make it a human right issue!

1. Since you mentioned rapes in India i was pointing to out that you get to her so much about these cases because media and civil society is very proactive here.yes all cases don't get registered but that's where media and civil society plays and active role. if there wasn't such wide protests throughout the country against the recent rape case in delhi govt. would not have acted tough .
if some country's media doesn't highlight such issues the way Indian media does it that does't mean it's not happening there.

2. For your comment on competence of Indian security agencies.... no Iran does not face as many internal and external threats as does India. US and Israel are certainly not out there to carry out bomb blasts in Iran.

3. Spend some time here and you'll know which country i was talking about.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

1. Since you mentioned rapes in India i was pointing to out that you get to her so much about these cases because media and civil society is very proactive here.yes all cases don't get registered but that's where media and civil society plays and active role. if there wasn't such wide protests throughout the country against the recent rape case in delhi govt. would not have acted tough .
if some country's media doesn't highlight such issues the way Indian media does it that does't mean it's not happening there.

2. For your comment on competence of Indian security agencies.... no Iran does not face as many internal and external threats as does India. US and Israel are certainly not out there to carry out bomb blasts in Iran.

3. Spend some time here and you'll know which country i was talking about.

@LURKER; what is the topic of this thread? Please do not get diverted by some totally irrelevant post. The topics that you wish to talk about can be taken to some other RELEVANT thread. Thanks.

 

[Sam1980]

1. Since you mentioned rapes in India i was pointing to out that you get to her so much about these cases because media and civil society is very proactive here.yes all cases don't get registered but that's where media and civil society plays and active role. if there wasn't such wide protests throughout the country against the recent rape case in delhi govt. would not have acted tough .
if some country's media doesn't highlight such issues the way Indian media does it that does't mean it's not happening there.

2. For your comment on competence of Indian security agencies.... no Iran does not face as many internal and external threats as does India. US and Israel are certainly not out there to carry out bomb blasts in Iran.

3. Spend some time here and you'll know which country i was talking about.

1- I'm glad that your government listens to your media! I really hope they do something about that issue.

2- Oh believe me... we face even greater threats... you have no idea how many times we caught their spies with their pants down, there were series of bombings in early 2000s to 2009, British Intelligence Service (MI6), Mossad, CIA, Dutch Intelligence agencies, etc.. are actively involved in destabilizing Iran. interestingly in 2008 we even caught a RAW spy (Indian consulate consular attache in Zahedan) for his connection with Jundallah terrorist group.

 

[LURKER]

1- I'm glad that your government listens to your media! I really hope they do something about that issue.

2- Oh believe me... we face even greater threats... you have no idea how many times we caught their spies with their pants down, there were series of bombings in early 2000s to 2009, British Intelligence Service (MI6), Mossad, CIA, Dutch Intelligence agencies, etc.. are actively involved in destabilizing Iran. interestingly in 2008 we even caught a RAW spy (Indian consulate consular attache in Zahedan) for his connection with Jundallah terrorist group.

This is news to me Any news article supporting this ?

I thought Jundallah had ISI's backing . don't tell me ISI and RAW are co-operating to support Jundallah against Iran