Iran Seeks Strategic Partnership with India

[Capt.Popeye]

What USA wants and what Iran wants will be completely different when the topic is not Afghanistan, doubt that Iran will suddenly become all friendly with USA. Just like we and USA they have our differences they too will, however Iran will not try to cut out Russian and China just for Afghanistan. It is too costly a gamble.

It all depends on Iran's diplomatic strength and its ability to negotiate.

@indushek; Arey Baba, why do you think that international relations are a "zero-sum game". The Cold War is over and gone; so theses of "if you're not with us, then you're against us" don't work any more. Iran can co-operate with USA without cutting out Russia. Just as Russia can co-operate with USA without cutting out Iran. And all three of them can work together on Afghanistan without working together anywhere else. Nowadays things are tackled on an "issue-based" approach. That is precisely what India has been doing. On some issues it works with China, while on others it works with USA. That has been India's line with Iran as well and so on. It is a multi-polar world now. Recognise it.

 

[Sam1980]

Try it.......You have enough problems of your own to keep you occupied for a long time.........the motley bunch of Ayotollahs being the biggest among them.......

Ok, since you brought it up I have to clarify some issues here and I don't mean to offend any Indian by them:

1- India suffers from having a collection of incompetent intelligence agencies (and I thank god you're not at any official war otherwise I don't know what would have happened to India)
2- Incompetent police force
3- Rising radicalism
etc...

I just wanted to point out the relevant security issues! On the other hand we are officially at war with the West, Israel and bunch of other (unimportant Persian Gulf arab) counties in addition to traitors such as MKO scumbags, but we still managed to discover most of their plots! So I don't think if you're in any position to $@#@ with us!

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Ok, since you brought it up I have to clarify some issues here and I don't mean to offend any Indian by them:

1- India suffers from having a collection of incompetent intelligence agencies (and I thank god you're not at any official war otherwise I don't know what would have happened to India)
2- Incompetent police force
3- Rising radicalism
etc...

I just wanted to point out the relevant security issues! On the other hand we are officially at war with the West, Israel and bunch of other (unimportant Persian Gulf arab) counties in addition to traitors such as MKO scumbags, but we still managed to discover most of their plots! So I don't think if you're in any position to $@#@ with us!

Good Luck to you then....

And even more Good Luck with the motley crew of Ayatollahs.....

 

[Sam1980]

Good Luck to you then....

And even more Good Luck with the motley crew of Ayatollahs.....

Thank you!

I wouldn't trade my Ayatollahs with 1 million Wallstreet Bankers

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Thank you!

I wouldn't trade my Ayatollahs with 1 million Wallstreet Bankers

I'll tell you this; nobody but nobody wants those Ayatollahs. You'll just have to keep them.

 

[SOHEIL]

girls girls ... stop it here , OK ?

 

[BATMAN]

@LoveIcon

 

[Paan Singh]

Ok, since you brought it up I have to clarify some issues here and I don't mean to offend any Indian by them:

1- India suffers from having a collection of incompetent intelligence agencies (and I thank god you're not at any official war otherwise I don't know what would have happened to India)
2- Incompetent police force
3- Rising radicalism
etc...

I just wanted to point out the relevant security issues! On the other hand we are officially at war with the West, Israel and bunch of other (unimportant Persian Gulf arab) counties in addition to traitors such as MKO scumbags, but we still managed to discover most of their plots! So I don't think if you're in any position to $@#@ with us!

who told you this BS?

 

[Sugarcane]

@LoveIcon

Chaudhary kay sochnay say kuch faraq nahi parta, If Pakistan want to avoid sanctions than it's diplomats to work for Pakistan and if we can't secure our interests than we must shove this so called strategic location on cross roads.

 

[BATMAN]

Chaudhary kay sochnay say kuch faraq nahi parta, If Pakistan want to avoid sanctions than it's diplomats to work for Pakistan and if we can't secure our interests than we must shove this so called strategic location on cross roads.

What are you talking man? does our diplomats need to sleep with Americans?

Infact, our diplomats are American nationals.... so where is the problem in your opinion?

In any case our diplomats cannot change a blanket American policy.

Let's talk about American senate... what kind of pressure does India have over them?

If American senate and President is so weak against Indian diplomats, than why would India allow to hurt its friend Iran.

 

[Sugarcane]

What are you talking man? does our diplomats need to sleep with Americans?

Infact, our diplomats are American nationals.... so where is the problem in your opinion?

In any case our diplomats cannot change a blanket American policy.

Let's talk about American senate... what kind of pressure does India have over them?

If American senate and President is so weak against Indian diplomats, than why would India allow to hurt its friend Iran.

Our diplomats already sleep with Americans, not for Pakistan but for their own interests.

If our location is really strategic as claimed than why our policy makers can't take advantage of it and can't secure our interests, instead our failed policies and diplomacy turned our country into football field. Our policies are either based on emotion or driven from interest of other powers.

For example by maintaining balanced relations with Iran, Pakistan would have been already buying oil & gas from Iran & would be having enough economic relations to counter Indian influence, but our almost zero relations resulted in our 100% dependance on arab for energy which is being used by them and US to mold our policies as per their wish. We have no relations with Russia to counter US pressure. On other hand India is best friend of Israel (who's lobby can influence US policies) and have better relations with Arab world than Pakistan. They maintained equally good relations with both KSA & Iran, they are best friend of Russia but still have lot better relation with US than Pakistan, their trade with China is even many time more than ours - that's called diplomacy. Going and begging for AID and soft loans at cost of sovereignty can be called anything but diplomacy.

India can use it's economy and also big weapon market to influence, India is backup plan for US to access Afghanistan (via Iran) and they used it when Pakistan blocked supplies, We don't have any leverage on Iran to persuade them to support us. India is weapon customer of Europe as well who can also influence US influence, India is defense customer of Israel & Russia who can also influence US.

 

[Sam1980]

who told you this BS?

Bro, we are not living in stone age, one hear things, see things, read things!

For example: India recent rape incidents are all over the news.

1- Indian intelligence service incompetence was mentioned several times (by Indian members) on this forum in 2008, 2011 and 2012 after the bombings. But let's not limit ourselves to what PDF members said:

India criticised for failing to prevent Hyderabad attack - Telegraph
RAW left with egg on its face as terror plot unravels - The Hindu

I could refer you to dozens of them, but I don't think that's necessary.

2- Please refer to this link: India's rising crime epidemic - 1 of 2 - NewsX - YouTube

3- I don't think if I need to refer you to any link for this one! You have to thank your Saudi brothers for this!

 

[LURKER]

Bro, we are not living in stone age, one hear things, see things, read things!

For example: India recent rape incidents are all over the news.

1- Indian intelligence service incompetence was mentioned several times (by Indian members) on this forum in 2008, 2011 and 2012 after the bombings. But let's not limit ourselves to what PDF members said:

India criticised for failing to prevent Hyderabad attack - Telegraph
RAW left with egg on its face as terror plot unravels - The Hindu

I could refer you to dozens of them, but I don't think that's necessary.

2- Please refer to this link:

3- I don't think if I need to refer you to any link for this one! You have to thank your Saudi brothers for this!

We like to address our shortcomings not hide them under them under the carpet. India's rape crimes are much less than that in the US in proportion to the population .Media plays a very proactive role hence we see most of these cases are taken up by media to put pressure on the government ....

We Indians expect highest level of efficiency from our intelligence agencies not like some of our neighbouring friends who proclaim their intelligence agency to be the best in the world despite daily terrorist attacks and bombings. Behind every terrorist attack there are 100s that are foiled by our agencies given our neighbour works overtime to bleed us with 1000 cuts.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Our diplomats already sleep with Americans, not for Pakistan but for their own interests.

If our location is really strategic as claimed than why our policy makers can't take advantage of it and can't secure our interests, instead our failed policies and diplomacy turned our country into football field. Our policies are either based on emotion or driven from interest of other powers.

For example by maintaining balanced relations with Iran, Pakistan would have been already buying oil & gas from Iran & would be having enough economic relations to counter Indian influence, but our almost zero relations resulted in our 100% dependance on arab for energy which is being used by them and US to mold our policies as per their wish. We have no relations with Russia to counter US pressure. On other hand India is best friend of Israel (who's lobby can influence US policies) and have better relations with Arab world than Pakistan. They maintained equally good relations with both KSA & Iran, they are best friend of Russia but still have lot better relation with US than Pakistan, their trade with China is even many time more than ours - that's called diplomacy. Going and begging for AID and soft loans at cost of sovereignty can be called anything but diplomacy.

India can use it's economy and also big weapon market to influence, India is backup plan for US to access Afghanistan (via Iran) and they used it when Pakistan blocked supplies, We don't have any leverage on Iran to persuade them to support us. India is weapon customer of Europe as well who can also influence US influence, India is defense customer of Israel & Russia who can also influence US.

You are correct in most of your opinions there. The fact of the matter is that the Pakistani shut-down of the Torkham route woke up the Americans to a great vulnerabilty. They then activated the NDN route through the CARs; but the fact is that the route via Chahbahar into Afghanistan via Iran is far better in that it is both economical as well as secured. The Americans now recognise that Afghanistan needs that route going into the future. And will depend on Iran and India to operate it. What can be Pakistan's loss will become Iran's gain. Without Americans getting directly involved.

The mistake that Pakistan made was boxing itself up by its intransigence. Now all countries whether Russia or EU are wary of giving Pakistan too much leverage in Afghanistan. The Taliban (of all types; good, bad and ugly) are like a "Red Rag" to world opinion. Pakistan needs to give up the fixation that its had with anchoring its Afghan policy on the "T-Factor". It has been hugely counter-productive.

 

[Sam1980]

India's rape crimes are much less than that in the US in proportion to the population .Media plays a very proactive role hence we see most of these cases are taken up by media to put pressure on the government ....

I didn't even mean to bring up the issue of rape, I was just pointing out that flow of information can't be stopped and basically everyone will be able to access information one way or the other, because our friend here, said: "Where did you get all this bullsh1t?" I merely wanted to let him know that what I stated earlier is not fabrication, the information is available, you just need to know how to use Google!

But now that you mentioned the proactive role of media in this issue, I have read somewhere that only %20 of rape cases in India are reported to the police?

I hope police catch these animals, by the way, U.S. is not a good example to compare India with in that criteria!

We Indians expect highest level of efficiency from our intelligence agencies not like some of our neighbouring friends who proclaim their intelligence agency to be the best in the world despite daily terrorist attacks and bombings.

May I ask which country is that?

Behind every terrorist attack there are 100s that are foiled by our agencies given our neighbour works overtime to bleed us with 1000 cuts.

True, but in Iran the number of situations are much more than what an Indian intelligence agency should expect to encounter, however most of these threats are neutralized before they can do any harm. And when we catch spies West tries to make it a human right issue!