Iran says to jointly produce defence equipment with Pakistan

[WarKa DaNG]

Shouldnt we sell AlKhalid tank ?

 

[graphican]

"Pakistan, Iran and Turkey" will be on one side. - Niamat Allah Shah Wali's predictions are coming true.

 

[El Sidd]

Please write in a language I can read and understand what you are saying, not a mind reader.

Its pure farsi.
Dont you understand farsi?

"Pakistan, Iran and Turkey" will be on one side. - Niamat Allah Shah Wali's predictions are coming true.

Lol

Whose winning the World cup in Qatar?

Yaar bht bhari shskiyat choori kar rahi hai.
Naam lena haram hai

Tauba Tauba

Sochna bhi Haram hai

 

[graphican]

Whose winning the World cup in Qatar?

Your question is not relevant but I believe Pakistan-Iran deal is a good deal, that will stabilise the region from Pakistan's stand point.

On who's winning next world cup? These guys.

 

[El Sidd]

These guys.

Predicted almost 800 years ago from Neptune.

Oh my peer you so peer i like the peer in you

 

[Malik Alpha]

Shouldnt we sell AlKhalid tank ?

Only If we change its name to something like Ali or Haider they might be interested then . Khalid Bin Waleed(R.A) k naam se aj bhi munafiq jalte hain.

 

[BHarwana]

Pakistan and Iran can jointly produce drones. Iran has very good drones. Pakistan and Iran will jointly produce anti-air missiles.

 

[Vapnope]

Why more and more Pakistanis have a problem with Pakistan having good ties with more and more countries?
There are no permanent friends or foes, i say big yay to Iran and Pakistan ties.

 

[SQ8]

@Oscar @MastanKhan

Things are getting pace b/w Pak and Iran....What do you guys think?

Just one sided overtures for now. Pakistan and Iran have been close but when both nations werent stocked with mad mullahs and as such both socities were fairly tolerant. While Iranians are still aspiring to be tolerant again, Pakistanis are going the other way full steam. Why is this relevant? Socieities end up influencing leadership and as long as mullah’s run society and Pakistan’s own state is still run in good ties with the Saudis, anything beyond normalization of the border is going to be difficult. There are enough elements in Pakistan on payroll of Khaleejis and other interests in Saudi Arabia who are willing to rouse Shia-Sunni issues when dealing with Iran, who also have their own Shia assets along with those whom India influences through Meetings in the Khaleej and UK.

That being said, Raheel sharif serves as a good conduit for routing Saudi backchannels into Iran. Due to his presence and somewhat close interactions with MBS, the Sauds understand Pakistan’s predicament with Iran and do not comment(so far) on our attempts to create a stable baseline with our neighbor.


Then we have to contend with the US since at the end they have a massive military and also sit next door with substantial ability to influence events and encourage/look the other way when India and Afghanistan try to ruin our existence. Despite the tensions on the surface there are still decent military to military ties between the US and Pakistan. The state department and other US interests are still well embedded within our political and bureaucratic structures( the US literally has moles and double agents in every sphere of Pakistani society.. a testament to the sellout nature of Pakistanis in general for the blue passport and dollars). We cannot expect influence like that to just go away and like a lifelong disease need to manage it carefully.
Saying that russia and China will compensate is a fool’s paradise. Russia is a new love affair borne out of Putin’s need to reassert Russia in the world and the Chinese only link with the establishment and with Business communities. You wont have your O&A level schools teaching that Kashmir is a lost cause because China said so but you will if Langley or the river Thames wishes so. You wont have a MMA member speak ill of Saudi but they will of Iran if their masters choose to.
Certain leadership of MQM london were able to get you an Indian visa within 24 hours.. so lets leave the discussion on why we can “break free” and become a powerful unit with Russian and Chinese assistance.

Joint manufacturing is a step too far unless it involves remanufacturing AH-1s, which could still have a ruckus at congress or within Saudi.

Iran is desperate for some tech especially their air force which is suffering, but for right now even with money on the table the current regime in Iran and the blood thirsty nature of both Arabs and neo-evangelicals in the US government towards Iran makes anything but a normal border difficult for Pakistan to manage.

To use pitiful urdu .. jiss din apni ghatiya haram khor aur neech auqat Pakistani tasleem karien aur samjhien tu unko apne ye sunhaire khwabon ki asliyat ka pata chale. Sharam se aik doosray se mun chupate phirien ge aur harmain shareef mein sar pathkhein ge ke iss qaum ye aad,samud aur loot ki najaiz roohani aulad ko Allah apne reham se maaf farma de.

 

[El Sidd]

Just one sided overtures for now. Pakistan and Iran have been close but when both nations werent stocked with mad mullahs and as such both socities were fairly tolerant. While Iranians are still aspiring to be tolerant again, Pakistanis are going the other way full steam. Why is this relevant? Socieities end up influencing leadership and as long as mullah’s run society and Pakistan’s own state is still run in good ties with the Saudis, anything beyond normalization of the border is going to be difficult. There are enough elements in Pakistan on payroll of Khaleejis and other interests in Saudi Arabia who are willing to rouse Shia-Sunni issues when dealing with Iran, who also have their own Shia assets along with those whom India influences through Meetings in the Khaleej and UK.

That being said, Raheel sharif serves as a good conduit for routing Saudi backchannels into Iran. Due to his presence and somewhat close interactions with MBS, the Sauds understand Pakistan’s predicament with Iran and do not comment(so far) on our attempts to create a stable baseline with our neighbor.


Then we have to contend with the US since at the end they have a massive military and also sit next door with substantial ability to influence events and encourage/look the other way when India and Afghanistan try to ruin our existence. Despite the tensions on the surface there are still decent military to military ties between the US and Pakistan. The state department and other US interests are still well embedded within our political and bureaucratic structures( the US literally has moles and double agents in every sphere of Pakistani society.. a testament to the sellout nature of Pakistanis in general for the blue passport and dollars). We cannot expect influence like that to just go away and like a lifelong disease need to manage it carefully.
Saying that russia and China will compensate is a fool’s paradise. Russia is a new love affair borne out of Putin’s need to reassert Russia in the world and the Chinese only link with the establishment and with Business communities. You wont have your O&A level schools teaching that Kashmir is a lost cause because China said so but you will if Langley or the river Thames wishes so. You wont have a MMA member speak ill of Saudi but they will of Iran if their masters choose to.
Certain leadership of MQM london were able to get you an Indian visa within 24 hours.. so lets leave the discussion on why we can “break free” and become a powerful unit with Russian and Chinese assistance.

Joint manufacturing is a step too far unless it involves remanufacturing AH-1s, which could still have a ruckus at congress or within Saudi.

Iran is desperate for some tech especially their air force which is suffering, but for right now even with money on the table the current regime in Iran and the blood thirsty nature of both Arabs and neo-evangelicals in the US government towards Iran makes anything but a normal border difficult for Pakistan to manage.

To use pitiful urdu .. jiss din apni ghatiya haram khor aur neech auqat Pakistani tasleem karien aur samjhien tu unko apne ye sunhaire khwabon ki asliyat ka pata chale. Sharam se aik doosray se mun chupate phirien ge aur harmain shareef mein sar pathkhein ge ke iss qaum ye aad,samud aur loot ki najaiz roohani aulad ko Allah apne reham se maaf farma de.

Sorry to barge in on your pulpit rant but how are you Not different to the mullahs by giving religious references and alluding to same tactic of divide and rule among the Muslims?

 

[BHarwana]

Just one sided overtures for now. Pakistan and Iran have been close but when both nations werent stocked with mad mullahs and as such both socities were fairly tolerant. While Iranians are still aspiring to be tolerant again, Pakistanis are going the other way full steam. Why is this relevant? Socieities end up influencing leadership and as long as mullah’s run society and Pakistan’s own state is still run in good ties with the Saudis, anything beyond normalization of the border is going to be difficult. There are enough elements in Pakistan on payroll of Khaleejis and other interests in Saudi Arabia who are willing to rouse Shia-Sunni issues when dealing with Iran, who also have their own Shia assets along with those whom India influences through Meetings in the Khaleej and UK.

That being said, Raheel sharif serves as a good conduit for routing Saudi backchannels into Iran. Due to his presence and somewhat close interactions with MBS, the Sauds understand Pakistan’s predicament with Iran and do not comment(so far) on our attempts to create a stable baseline with our neighbor.


Then we have to contend with the US since at the end they have a massive military and also sit next door with substantial ability to influence events and encourage/look the other way when India and Afghanistan try to ruin our existence. Despite the tensions on the surface there are still decent military to military ties between the US and Pakistan. The state department and other US interests are still well embedded within our political and bureaucratic structures( the US literally has moles and double agents in every sphere of Pakistani society.. a testament to the sellout nature of Pakistanis in general for the blue passport and dollars). We cannot expect influence like that to just go away and like a lifelong disease need to manage it carefully.
Saying that russia and China will compensate is a fool’s paradise. Russia is a new love affair borne out of Putin’s need to reassert Russia in the world and the Chinese only link with the establishment and with Business communities. You wont have your O&A level schools teaching that Kashmir is a lost cause because China said so but you will if Langley or the river Thames wishes so. You wont have a MMA member speak ill of Saudi but they will of Iran if their masters choose to.
Certain leadership of MQM london were able to get you an Indian visa within 24 hours.. so lets leave the discussion on why we can “break free” and become a powerful unit with Russian and Chinese assistance.

Joint manufacturing is a step too far unless it involves remanufacturing AH-1s, which could still have a ruckus at congress or within Saudi.

Iran is desperate for some tech especially their air force which is suffering, but for right now even with money on the table the current regime in Iran and the blood thirsty nature of both Arabs and neo-evangelicals in the US government towards Iran makes anything but a normal border difficult for Pakistan to manage.

To use pitiful urdu .. jiss din apni ghatiya haram khor aur neech auqat Pakistani tasleem karien aur samjhien tu unko apne ye sunhaire khwabon ki asliyat ka pata chale. Sharam se aik doosray se mun chupate phirien ge aur harmain shareef mein sar pathkhein ge ke iss qaum ye aad,samud aur loot ki najaiz roohani aulad ko Allah apne reham se maaf farma de.

Nice analysis of whole situation. Yes USA has influence, Yes Saudis have influence, Yes China has influence, Yes Russia is gaining ground, Yes Iran has influence and Yes Turkey has influence. Pakistan is stretched in all those directions. One can consider it bad but also one can consider it good as well because it means diplomatic ties with every one.

Iran Pakistan joint military equipment development is not New this there has been talks in the past and There is no info on what they are jointly developing. My best guess is Air defence and drones.

 

[El Sidd]

Why more and more Pakistanis have a problem with Pakistan having good ties with more and more countries?
There are no permanent friends or foes, i say big yay to Iran and Pakistan ties.

What is your opinion on China Pak relations then?

 

[jupiter2007]

Possibility of small arms, small helicopters and UAV.

 

[HRK]

Why more and more Pakistanis have a problem with Pakistan having good ties with more and more countries?
There are no permanent friends or foes, i say big yay to Iran and Pakistan ties.

No one is having problem with the relation to any country including IRAN its the pace with which they are racing is questionable .... we need to have a good relations with Iran there is no question about it but for this we need to first build foundations in civilian an political sectors .... not in defence production sector ....

Having joint exercises or training is one thing but arming a country who was threatening Pakistan till the first quarter of this year with war is altogether a different level of insanity

People need to learn from the history of Pakistan and Russia relationship; we are trying mend our relationship with them from 2003-2004, but till now we have achieve only a certain level of relationship which could not be termed Ideal.

Lesson: RELATIONSHIP NEED TIME TO GROW SPECIALLY IN DIPLOMATIC WORLD

We first need to have answer very basic questions

1- IRGC and their theocratic institutions on board in this venture ???

We need to understand this same Gen. threat Pakistan with war at the time when a high level delegation of Iranian officials headed by their foreign minister was visiting Pakistan

2- Is this a decision of the current Government of President Rohani or its a collective state decision..??

3- Will this decision be followed as a consistent policy of the state no matter which government forms after the President Rohani government

There are many question which till now are unanswered so we (both PAKISTAN and IRAN) need to built mutual trust first.

 

[El Sidd]

No one is having problem with the relation to any country including IRAN its the pace with which they are racing is questionable .... we need to have a good relations with Iran there is no question about it but for this we need to first build foundations in civilian an political sectors .... not in defence production sector ....

Having joint exercises or training is one thing but arming a country who was threatening Pakistan till the first quarter of this year with war is altogether a different level of insanity

People need to learn from the history of Pakistan and Russia relationship; we are trying mend our relationship with them from 2003-2004, but till now we have achieve only a certain level of relationship which could not be termed Ideal.

Lesson: RELATIONSHIP NEED TIME TO GROW SPECIALLY IN DIPLOMATIC WORLD

We first need to have answer very basic questions

1- IRGC and their theocratic institutions on board in this venture ???

We need to understand this same Gen. threat Pakistan with war at the time when a high level delegation of Iranian officials headed by their foreign minister was visiting Pakistan

2- Is this a decision of the current Government of President Rohani or its a collective state decision..??

3- Will this decision be followed as a consistent policy of the state no matter which government forms after the President Rohani government

There are many question which till now are unanswered so we (both PAKISTAN and IRAN) need to built mutual trust first.

Wait

You did not use Religion nor reference to external influences?

I am El Sidd Nice to meet You HRK