Iran Ready to Export Natural Gas to India: Official!

[farhan_9909]

Clear indication of india becoming a superpower

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Old habits die hard!

Nahi yaar..... old habits blow hard.

 

[kamrananvaar]

Its very much doable. At least two pipelines of similar length are already operating.

OT : SAGE pipeline is most obvious choice for a Gas pipeline for us. It will cost us ~$6-7 Bill. But will avoid all "contentious" issues in foreseeable future.

Good luck to you

 

[Indus Pakistan]

My friend, you should conclude is false. My native place has heavy Naxalite presence and you can't do anything over there w/o paying a levy to them. Sometime back a construction company won the contract for roads near my village, that company refused to pay levy which was ~10% of net profit. Next day all their heavy equipment was burnt to ground. Loss to the company in excess of ~25 Million USD. Till date no other company has bid for a project near my village.

There is a huge CRPF camp with close to 20,000 soldiers, armored vehicles, and helo support and daily they comb the jungles nearby for Naxalites, sometimes they catch them but most times they don't as these Naxalites are sort of Robin Hood Figures and leave by daylight in the same villages as normal civilians.

Point being Naxalite belt is not suitable for industry and business. Rest of India is

Well this makes a pleasant change. At least you accept that you have a Naxalite problem. Now looking at Pakistan the only reason we have trouble in Balochistan is the incompetance of our government.

There are 4 million Baloch living a huge high plateaux desert which is far easier to regulate then the jungles of East India which makes idea guerilla territory.

The biggest gas fields in Pakistan are on ground zero of the troubles yet gas is still flowing. That itself underlies what I am saying. The coastel Makran region is even thinner in population. With new roads built law and order becomes easier to enforce. This is not the thread for it but large parts of Balochistan were left with no law and order by design from British era days.

"Balochistan Police is responsible for the law and order situation in mostly urban areas only, which are called A areas. This division has been in place, in various forms, since the time of the British Raj. Balochistan's rural areas, called B areas, are policed by the Balochistan Levies. The Frontier Corps operates in both areas. This division is seen as a severe handicap by the police as criminals based outside their limited area of jurisdiction can easily plan attacks and run away."

Balochistan Police - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Can you imagine another country doing this? Just leaving huge swathes of your terriotory as free for all? This space has been filled by drug smugglers, bandits, vagabonds and other riff raff. So fundamentally this is simple failure of law and order or neglect.

That is why in other threads when Pak members start dreaming about buying the next frigate for the navy I oppose that. Even 5 extra frigates are not going to make any differance to Pakistan unless we are thinking of invading Somalia.

Instead we need to downsize the army and build up interior security forces/police and fill these empty spaces in our country. We already left the FATA open and you know who set up home there. This space in Balochistan is now used by drug gangs who also expanded their racket by including Iranian oil from across the border.

So brazen are these gangs that Iran has had to build a wall to control them and they have lost border guards. I think now Pakwith CPEC and Gwadar in scope are building roads and laying law and order infrastructure. In doing so most of Balochistan will become A areas.

As regards SAGE best of luck. I think what we need to do asap is get IP going. That should be as simple as laying some plumbing as the Iranian's have already laid the pipe right upto the border.

I somehow expect our government to mess this up even. The problem with our people ( the government after all is reflection of people ) is they advocate the interests of foreigners. Pakistan is like a orphan.

I mean I know the IP could not be built because of no foreign funding on account of US/Saudi pressure. However I would preferred if Pakistan had shown some galls and frozen other projects inside the country. Using the Bhutto phrase "we will build the pipeline or eat grass" and got that damn pipe completed at least two years ago.

That way we would not be suffering the crippling energy shortages which is wrecking the economy.

 

[nForce]

With the kind of hostility towards India that elements within Pakistan have sown among their people, pipelines leading to India will be blown up every fortnight. Better if we avoid it altogether.

 

[Spectre]

Well this makes a pleasant change. At least you accept that you have a Naxalite problem. Now looking at Pakistan the only reason we have trouble in Balochistan is the incompetance of our government.

There are 4 million Baloch living a huge high plateaux desert which is far easier to regulate then the jungles of East India which makes idea guerilla territory.

The biggest gas fields in Pakistan are on ground zero of the troubles yet gas is still flowing. That itself underlies what I am saying. The coastel Makran region is even thinner in population. With new roads built law and order becomes easier to enforce. This is not the thread for it but large parts of Balochistan were left with no law and order by design from British era days.

"Balochistan Police is responsible for the law and order situation in mostly urban areas only, which are called A areas. This division has been in place, in various forms, since the time of the British Raj. Balochistan's rural areas, called B areas, are policed by the Balochistan Levies. The Frontier Corps operates in both areas. This division is seen as a severe handicap by the police as criminals based outside their limited area of jurisdiction can easily plan attacks and run away."

Balochistan Police - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Can you imagine another country doing this? Just leaving huge swathes of your terriotory as free for all? This space has been filled by drug smugglers, bandits, vagabonds and other riff raff. So fundamentally this is simple failure of law and order or neglect.

That is why in other threads when Pak members start dreaming about buying the next frigate for the navy I oppose that. Even 5 extra frigates are not going to make any differance to Pakistan unless we are thinking of invading Somalia.

Instead we need to downsize the army and build up interior security forces/police and fill these empty spaces in our country. We already left the FATA open and you know who set up home there. This space in Balochistan is now used by drug gangs who also expanded their racket by including Iranian oil from across the border.

So brazen are these gangs that Iran has had to build a wall to control them and they have lost border guards. I think now Pakwith CPEC and Gwadar in scope are building roads and laying law and order infrastructure. In doing so most of Balochistan will become A areas.

As regards SAGE best of luck. I think what we need to do asap is get IP going. That should be as simple as laying some plumbing as the Iranian's have already laid the pipe right upto the border.

I somehow expect our government to mess this up even. The problem with our people ( the government after all is reflection of people ) is they advocate the interests of foreigners. Pakistan is like a orphan.

I mean I know the IP could not be built because of no foreign funding on account of US/Saudi pressure. However I would preferred if Pakistan had shown some galls and frozen other projects inside the country. Using the Bhutto phrase "we will build the pipeline or eat grass" and got that damn pipe completed at least two years ago.

That way we would not be suffering the crippling energy shortages which is wrecking the economy.

Very Impressive and detailed post which has given me lot to think about as my understanding of Baluchistan situation was extremely limited. The problems and solutions highlighted by you seem to be based on realistic understanding of the on ground situation.

You are right when you say biggest factor impeding the progress of GoI in controlling Naxalite menace is the terrain. Those jungles and ravines can be brutal and we have lost thousands of Good Men in this fight.

The naxalite movement started as a socio-political uprising against the warped Govt policies and was kind of a rebellion against upper caste land owners but it has turned into whole different breed of monster today. Primary motivation for these people is easy money in form of extortion and kidnappings, it has nothing to do with politics or ideology.

The hope lies in GoI continued efforts in curbing this menace. The one smart thing which they did is to not involve Indian Army in these operations. Army might have finished things up quite quickly but would have left a trail of collateral damage which have led to resentment amongst locals and sowed roots for future conflict. Government has instead enlisted para military forces and formed self defense units composed of the people from the Naxalite villages itself. This way the fight is happening at the grass root level taking into account all the complexities and politics which army isn't equipped nor trained to handle. This way we have avoided the mess in Kashmir and N. East

The only negative is the collusion of some state level politicians and bureaucrats with these Naxalites due to huge sums of money involved in the extortion rackets.

Coming back to topic regarding IP or IPI pipeline, I do believe it will happen and hope India can also be involved and reap benefits. I don't know the truth about extent of Indian involvement in Baluchistan but some form of support could have been given to BLA and best way to stop that would be to make India a stakeholder for peace and stablity in that region by allowing IP pipeline to become IPI.

The future lies increased trade and commerce, both India and Pakistan should look towards improving conditions at home rather than playing dirty games in another's territory. No good would come out of it. Every Indian knows that poverty, corruption and filth is everywhere no matter how much trillions is our economy worth or how many billionaires our country has. While some level of defense spending is necessary to maintain deterrence, we can't win or extract any thing from Pakistan by force and same applies to Pakistan.

How would getting Lakhvi help me or my poor countrymen? Revenge is all well and good but you gotta be realistic and understand domestic compulsions in Pakistan. Various right wing terrorists in India enjoy political patronage and so do Lakhvis, Azhars and Hafiz Saeeds in Pakistan.

 

[Styx]

Various right wing terrorists in India enjoy political patronage

like who ?

 

[Spectre]

like who ?

I don't want to wash our dirty laundry at PDF but having said this if you still want me to name names, I will do that

 

[Styx]

I don't want to wash our dirty laundry at PDF but having said this if you still want me to name names, I will do that

please, go right ahead, enough of this gets discussed around here anyway.

 

[Spectre]

please, go right ahead, enough of this gets discussed around here anyway.

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[JanjaWeed]

Iran, India talks on subsea gas pipeline resumed


| IranOilGas Network

 

[OTTOMAN]

TEHRAN (Tasnim) – Director General of National Iranian Gas Export Company Alireza Kameli said the country is ready to sign an agreement with a major Indian company for the export of Iran's natural gas to the Subcontinent.
After India left the IP Gas Pipeline project, a consortium of some Indian companies headed by South Asia Gas Enterprise Pvt. Ltd. (SAGE) expressed willingness to import Iran's natural gas, Kameli told SHANA on Saturday.

He went on to say that the company is waiting for the termination of anti-Iran sanctions to fund the construction of a 3000 km underwater (deep-sea) pipeline.

The history of border conflicts between India and Pakistan made the Indian side opt for using a totally independent pipeline for importing gas from Iran, Kameli added.

For years there has been talk of an India-Iran-Oman energy triangle, whereby an under-sea natural gas pipeline would connect Oman and India. As India's economy grows, demand for gas will continue to exceed supply from domestic sources and imported gas will play an important role in bridging the demand-supply gap in the market.

At first, India was supposed to import gas from Iran via a land pipeline that is to carry gas to Pakistan, but it backed out of the project in 2007, citing security concerns in Pakistani territory. After that, Iran and Pakistan decided to go it alone.

Tasnim News Agency - Iran Ready to Export Natural Gas to India: Official
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@ranjeet @Nair saab @GURU DUTT @2800 @Star Wars @Echo_419 @haman10

India didn't bought Iranian gas because of other cheaper alternatives, otherwise there was no gap in export of Iranian petroleum products to India, which of course is rigidly tied to market prices.
Perhaps now, iran have offered the best price hence the Indian interest and may be Pakistan as well but the devil is in price of gas.

I don't see any disturbance for Pakistan.

Since India has already boiled the pot by showing serious disturbances due to some road we are building to connect Gawadar port, better you two should drop this idea..

 

[egodoc222]

Bring that pipeline any where in Pakistani waters and Kaboom

Lol with what are you going to blow it ???
It's 5-10km deep....even if you managed to do it...gas gonna pollute your own eez...
think before posting....You are not a jingoistic teenager I hope!!

 

[kamrananvaar]

like who ?

Modi