Iran equips vessels with 2,000-km-range anti ship cruise missiles

[Foinikas]

What does range got to do, with flight path? Tomahawk has a range of 1500 miles or 2400 Km and its a cruise missile.

Anti-ship missiles don't usually have such crazy ranges. That's my point.

 

[SQ8]

Anti-ship missiles don't usually have such crazy ranges. That's my point.

The reason was targeting - until the last few decades where both sensors and guidance has improved on missiles where they can both be guided by over the horizon sensors and smart loitering where they have built in sensors to look for targets; missiles could always fly out to thousands of kilometers but with a moving target like a ship it likely wasn’t there when they got there.

 

[HGV]

Yes it does. It also says "2000 km range". With that range it can be classified as a ballistic missile! O_O

Range has nothing to do with flight path

It can travel 10 million km and still not be a ballistic missile if it doesn't follow a ballistic trajectory

 

[Foinikas]

Range has nothing to do with flight path

It can travel 10 million km and still not be a ballistic missile if it doesn't follow a ballistic trajectory

You guys seem to miss what I'm trying to say:

Nobody has had an anti-ship missile with such a range,until now. No developed country thought it was necessary or useful.

 

[indushek]

You guys seem to miss what I'm trying to say:

Nobody has had an anti-ship missile with such a range,until now. No developed country thought it was necessary or useful.

Possible reasons

Anti aircraft capabilities of ships have become more and more lethal, so delivering hits from standoff ranges is required

If you don't have a potent navy (I mean the number of ships you can deploy, their firepower and survivability etc), range matters with shore based batteries

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

They had also revealed the Abu Mahdi, which appeared to be a naval version of the Soumar with a range of 1000km:

These are some subsonic cruise missiles from other countries:

These are not even western designs.
Iran AM seems to be very rough design and that big engine at bottom of its rear end will significantly increase its drag.This Western ones beat them all by their unique design philosophy

 

[drmeson]

These are some subsonic cruise missiles from other countries:
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These are not even western designs.
Iran AM seems to be very rough design and that big engine at bottom of its rear end will significantly increase its drag.This Western ones beat them all by their unique design philosophy
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You are wrong, the American, Russian, Chinese, and Iranians LACM, AShCM resemble each other.

Tomahawk (American)

KH-55 (Russian)

Kalibr (Russian)

CJ-10 (Chinese)

Hoveyzeh (Iran)

Soumar (Iran)

Iran AM seems to be very rough design

In objective sciences such as rocketry, terms like "Rough Design" means nothing.

and that big engine at bottom of its rear end will significantly increase its drag.

You are wrong. That is a rocket booster for the initial V not the engine.

This Western ones beat them all by their unique design philosophy

Please provide evidence of the above statement, in terms of what measureable parameter the western cruise missile (lets say Tomahawk) is better than Soumar or Hoveyzeh LACM by "their unique design philosophy"

 

[MeFishToo]

Why would you need an anti-ship missile with a 2,000 km range? That's basically from one side of Europe to the other.

Because they prefere to give the target atleast 1 hour to move out of harms way, before the missile arrives. Meanwhile the target area increased to 200 square miles insted of a ship.

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

You are wrong, the American, Russian, Chinese, and Iranians LACM, AShCM resemble each other.

Tomahawk (American)
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KH-55 (Russian)
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Kalibr (Russian)
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Hoveyzeh (Iran)
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Soumar (Iran)
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In objective sciences such as rocketry, terms like "Rough Design" means nothing.



You are wrong. That is a rocket booster for the initial V not the engine.



Please provide evidence of the above statement, in terms of what measureable parameter the western cruise missile (lets say Tomahawk) is better than Soumar or Hoveyzeh LACM by "their unique design philosophy"

The encircled part is booster.
The thing i said is a fixed external turbojet engine.
1980s Russian Cruise Missiles used to have this engine configuration
Modern cruise missiles have engine inside the body.

 

[HGV]

Because they prefere to give the target atleast 1 hour to move out of harms way, before the missile arrives. Meanwhile the target area increased to 200 square miles insted of a ship.

Targeting at that range is a real issue and remains unanswered by Iran. But it's not an insurmountable issue and people have theorised solutions that Iran may be using.

 

[MeFishToo]

Targeting at that range is a real issue and remains unanswered by Iran. But it's not an insurmountable issue and people have theorised solutions that Iran may be using.

Online missile stats is mostly hyperbole in my opinion. Would be nice for Iran to be able to target (american) ships from 2.000 km away, hence the claim.

 

[Muhammed45]

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The encircled part is booster.
The thing i said is a fixed external turbojet engine.
1980s Russian Cruise Missiles used to have this engine configuration
Modern cruise missiles have engine inside the body.

Mobin cruising missile, introduced at MAKS 2019, Russia

Range 450 KM
Speed 1,000 KM/h
Flight altitude 10m to 13.5 KM
RCS 0.1 m2 compared to 0.5 m2 RCS of American Tomahawk cruise missile which classifies it as an stealthy cruise missile

Engine will be replaced by Iranian designed scramjet versions in the near future making it a near-hypersonic cruise missile.

https://irangov.ir/detail/331590

Engine body

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

Mobin cruising missile, introduced at MAKS 2019, Russia
View attachment 940757

Range 450 KM
Speed 1,000 KM/h
Flight altitude 10m to 13.5 KM
RCS 0.1 m2 compared to 0.5 m2 RCS of American Tomahawk cruise missile which classifies it as an stealthy cruise missile

Engine will be replaced by Iranian designed scramjet versions in the near future making it a near-hypersonic cruise missile.

https://irangov.ir/detail/331590

Engine body
View attachment 940761

Is it still a mock up or mass production has started?
Now that's a good start.
Its H-shaped tail design tells that Iran needs further work on its aerodynamic control systems.
We also started from H-shaped tail design

But have achieved success in controlling X-Tailed cruise missiles:

Modern cruise missiles come with X-Tail.
Another Pak subsonic cruise missile shown in Turkey

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

Engine will be replaced by Iranian designed scramjet versions in the near future making it a near-hypersonic cruise

It's not that you will just put a scramjet engine on a subsonic cruise missile
You will need an altogether a new design and more sophisticated flight control systems for that design.
It's a very time consuming thing actually and way more expensive than subsonic cruise missiles .

By report you qouted:
It's almost four years you have developed a Scramjet engine.

 

[Mehdipersian]

Is it still a mock up or mass production has started?
Now that's a good start.
Its H-shaped tail design tells that Iran needs further work on its aerodynamic control systems.
We also started from H-shaped tail design View attachment 940799
But have achieved success in controlling X-Tailed cruise missiles:
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Modern cruise missiles come with X-Tail.
Another Pak subsonic cruise missile shown in Turkey
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Pakistan have not good technology in cruise and ballistic missiles. You can't compare pakistan with iran