Iran engages in provocation with UAE: Guards chief visits disputed Gulf lnd

[RayKalm]

Hmm... I think you are not well informed about Iran. You can read this wiki page for a start (it's well referenced). Iran has it's share of problems, but I think you are being too harsh on Iran:

Economy of Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

During Shah's era, everything was imported from oil companies to medicines. Now Iran is mostly self sufficient in those products.

Guess what happened to iraq after sanctions?

Yes, during Shah's era everything was imported. Where did you disprove me here?

 

[King Solomon]

Yes, during Shah's era everything was imported. Where did you disprove me here?

Your assertion that Iran would not survive if not for other countries because it is not self-sufficient.

 

[Abii]

@ ray, our non-oil is still higher than yours and we're under sanctions. Are you trying to make yourself look bad on purpose? What you posted was our exports alone. Of course oil is going to be 80 percent of our exports under the current conditions when:

1) the value of our oil exports last year topped 100 billion dollars (5 times your entire exports I believe); and

2) our non-oil exports are limited to a few countries b/c of the sanctions.

In reality, oil is only < than 1/5th of our GDP and becoming less every few years. Today, our car industry is 10 percent of our GDP. Iranian car companies have production plants in most neighboring countries, plus, Egypt, Sudan, Belarus and Venezuela. When the sanctions are lifted, we'll start exporting to the rest of the world too.



Care to explain how for more than 15 years, our GDP growth has been higher than KSA, when KSA exports FOUR TIMES MORE OIL than Iran?. 8.5 mln barrels of oil versus 2+ (IRan). On top of that, we're fighting a virtual blockade. You just made yourself look like a certified fool.

 

[RayKalm]

@ ray, our non-oil is still higher than yours and we're under sanctions. Are you trying to make yourself look bad on purpose?

Your non-oil what? If you mean economy, then no, sadly I will have to correct you here.

What you posted was our exports alone. Of course oil is going to be 80 percent of our exports under the current conditions when:

1) the value of our oil exports last year topped 100 billion dollars (5 times your entire exports I believe); and

2) our non-oil exports are limited to a few countries b/c of the sanctions.

1.) Iran's entire exports in the year 2011 was $131,800,000,000.

100 Billion of which was oil.

2.) Of course, blame your leaders for the sanctions, not me.

In reality, oil is only < than 1/5th of our GDP and becoming less every few years. Today, our car industry is 10 percent of our GDP. Iranian car companies have production plants in most neighboring countries, plus, Egypt, Sudan, Belarus and Venezuela. When the sanctions are lifted, we'll start exporting to the rest of the world too.

1/5th of your GDP Abii? Really? Quit hallucinating. When will the sanctions be lifted exactly? Be glad that your country at least has oil during sanctions, ours had nothing.

Care to explain how for more than 15 years, our GDP growth has been higher than KSA, when KSA exports FOUR TIMES MORE OIL than Iran?. 8.5 mln barrels of oil versus 2+ (IRan). On top of that, we're fighting a virtual blockade. You just made yourself look like a certified fool. ]

Why have you involved your hate for Arabs in our discussion? And yet, you claim I made myself look like a fool? Quite funny, and stupid of you.

 

[Abii]

Your non-oil what? If you mean economy, then no, sadly I will have to correct you here.



1.) Iran's entire exports in the year 2011 was $131,800,000,000.

100 Billion of which was oil.

2.) Of course, blame your leaders for the sanctions, not me.



1/5th of your GDP Abii? Really? Quit hallucinating. When will the sanctions be lifted exactly? Be glad that your country at least has oil during sanctions, ours had nothing.



Why have you involved your hate for Arabs in our discussion? And yet, you claim I made myself look like a fool? Quite funny, and stupid of you.

You're not even trying to have a discussion. Everything you said confirmed my statements. I included arabestan's growth for a reason troll. They're a ME country, they're a major oil exporter and they're not under sanctions. They're thus a perfect candidate for doing a comparison. You're such a troll. If you had an ounce of logic you would realize that when Iran, a country under sanctions (one that has been for more than 3 decades), a country that exports 1/4 of Saudi Arabia's oil, a country with 3 times more mouths to feed... has had a higher GDP growth for more than 15 years without a single recessionary period, than Iran is doing amazingly well. In this same period our HDI has gone up rapidly and we're now higher than Turkey.

 

[RayKalm]

You're not even trying to have a discussion. Everything you said confirmed my statements.

That's because what you stated didn't disprove what I stated in my prior posts.

I included arabestan's growth for a reason troll. You're such a troll.

Quite mature of you. What else can I expect from an idiotic "Iran will rulz the worldzz'' moron? Grow up.

They're a ME country, they're a major oil exporter and they're not under sanctions. They're thus a perfect candidate for doing a comparison. You criit If you had an ounce of logic you would realize that when Iran, a country under sanctions (one that has been for more than 3 decades), a country that exports 1/4 of Saudi Arabia's oil, a country with 3 times more mouths to feed... has had a higher GDP growth for more than 15 years without a single recessionary period, than Iran is doing amazingly well.

Yes, once again, you stated that you think Iran has the ability to become a global power, let alone a regional power. I disagreed with that, showing you a reason. If Iran is under sanctions, it is not a problem for it's neighbour, rather it's your own problem.

You were the same guy boasting about how Iran's sanctions is actually helping Iran, and now since you found an opportunity to use the sanctions imposed on Iran in a response to my post you go ahead and throw it out. Very foolish of you.

Once again, to become a regional power, you must prove to me how Iran can challenge it's neighbours military. Forgot about the economics for now.

Aside from Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Iraq and further neighbours like the Gulf states, and Syria, how do you expect to be an unrivalled military power in the region?

In this same period our HDI has gone up rapidly and we're now higher than Turkey.

In some categories, yes. In many other categories, such as human rights, women rights, etc, you are far behind in HDI from many of your neighbours.

 

[King Solomon]

In this same period our HDI has gone up rapidly and we're now higher than Turkey.

Wow, I didn't know that. Thanks for the info. Iran's HDI of 0.707 is higher than that of Turkey - 0.699.

 

[RayKalm]

Wow, I didn't know that. Thanks for the info. Iran's HDI of 0.707 is higher than that of Turkey - 0.699.

The main reason that is so, is because of the standards of living in Iran. Iran can provide more for it's people, but with the recent tanks of sanctions imposed on Iran, the average Iranian is living worse by the months passing.

 

[Abii]

Ray you're a low life troll.

Turkey actually has a higher GDP than Iran so no, that's not the reason why Iran's HDI is higher.

You need to get a life. There has to be something wrong with a person to be living in the West and supporting Al Quida, wahabis and concerning his/her life with Iran, a country thousands of miles away.

Buddy, Iran can increase her oil production by 4 times with the right type of technology and we also have the world's second largest gas reserves. That alone can increase our GDP to Russian levels. That means even if we don't do jack and sit on our *****, we can become a regional power. Now, we're not even exporting gas and our oil exports are 1/4 of KSA and we're doing amazing.

Go focus on your South East Asian African standards of living instead of making wise cracks against a country with a higher HDI than Turkey.

 

[RayKalm]

Ray you're a low life troll.

The one to accuse another of that is usually the 'low life' troll.

Turkey actually has a higher GDP than Iran so no, that's not the reason why Iran's HDI is higher.

Yes, of course it isn't, when did anyone say this?

You need to get a life.

Refer above.

There has to be something wrong with a person to be living in the West and supporting Al Quida, wahabis and concerning his/her life with Iran, a country thousands of miles away.

Funny, for one to support Wahabis, one actually has to know what a Wahabi is. I do not think you know what a Wahabi is, Abii.

Concerning my life with Iran? Hmm, the closest thing I have with Iran is that I am a Shia (though I describe myself as a Muslim). I actually support Iran, all Pakistani Shias love Iran. We see Iran as a strong country, able to confront the west, and wish for Iran to be stronger. And, you're a very ignorant example for us.

Buddy, Iran can increase her oil production by 4 times with the right type of technology and we also have the world's second largest gas reserves. That alone can increase our GDP to Russian levels. That means even if we don't do jack and sit on our *****, we can become a regional power. Now, we're not even exporting gas and our oil exports are 1/4 of KSA and we're doing amazing.

Buddy? Hmm. Funny, tell me that when Iran actually accomplishes that.

Go focus on your South East Asian African standards of living instead of making wise cracks against a country with a higher HDI than Turkey.

What an insult you've thrown here.

Pakistan has many things that surpasses Iran. As such as freedom and women rights for example. Turkey, a population slot below Iran of Muslim countries has elected a female president/prime minister, and the Muslim countries with more population above you, aside from Egypt, have also elected female leaders.

Also, let's look at the democracies in our respected countries.

Pakistan: 105
Iran: 159

And all these South East Asians, and African countries aside from a few have much more democracy than Iran.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

What a lovely place Iran might be to live in! You may have an higher standard of livings, but certainly no freedom to live.

 

[King Solomon]

The main reason that is so, is because of the standards of living in Iran. Iran can provide more for it's people, but with the recent tanks of sanctions imposed on Iran, the average Iranian is living worse by the months passing.

How can you speak for majority of the people? Such matters like whether the average Iranian is worse off now, has to be reflected in the statistics compiled by various agencies. Iran has experience dealing with sanctions for the last 30 years or so. I'm sure they will find a way around it. Iran already has India, Russia and China by it's side.

You may not like the theocratic regime of Iran (neither do I, neither does many iranian I know) but this does not mean we downplay Iran like this.

With time, I hope Iran's relations with west becomes normal and a more secular regime comes to power. Then, when sanctions are lifted, you will quickly see Iran becoming the dominant force in the middle east. At least economically, if not militarily.

 

[RayKalm]

How can you speak for majority of the people? Such matters like whether the average Iranian is worse off now, has to be reflected in the statistics compiled by various agencies. Iran has experience dealing with sanctions for the last 30 years or so. I'm sure they will find a way around it. Iran already has India, Russia and China by it's side.

There's no such thing as 'experience' to deal with sanctions. Of course, Iran is use to them, but that doesn't mean Iran will be able to counter them to such an extent that they're virtually non-existence.

You may not like the theocratic regime of Iran (neither do I, neither does many iranian I know) but this does not mean we downplay Iran like this.

You should read my post above about my feelings for Iran.

With time, I hope Iran's relations with west becomes normal and a more secular regime comes to power. Then, when sanctions are lifted, you will quickly see Iran becoming the dominant force in the middle east. At least economically, if not militarily.

Hopefully, Iran will get there. But, this is only if their leaders didn't support mass murderers around the world for their own intentions.

Edit: Funny, I didn't change the fonts of my text at all, but they've shown out as another font.

 

[King Solomon]

Pakistan has many things that surpasses Iran. As such as freedom and women rights for example. Turkey, a population slot below Iran of Muslim countries has elected a female president/prime minister, and the Muslim countries with more population above you, aside from Egypt, have also elected female leaders.

Also, let's look at the democracies in our respected countries.

Pakistan: 105
Iran: 159

And all these South East Asians, and African countries aside from a few have much more democracy than Iran.

Democracy Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What a lovely place Iran might be to live in! You may have an higher standard of livings, but certainly no freedom to live.

According to UNESCO world survey, at primary level of enrollment Iran has the highest female to male ratio in the world among sovereign nations, with a girl to boy ratio of 1.22 : 1.00.[49] By 1999, Iran had 140 female publishers, enough to hold an exhibition of books and magazines published by women.[50] As of 2005, 65% of Iran's university students and 43% of its salaried workers were women.[51] and as of early 2007 nearly 70% of Iran's science and engineering students are women.[52] This has led to many female school and university graduates being under-utilised. This is beginning to have an effect on Iranian society and was a contributing factor to the anti-regime protests by Iranian youth.

Women make up almost 30% of the Iranian labor force, and the percentage of all Iranian women who are economically active has more than doubled from 6.1% in 1986 to 13.7% in 2000.



At least one observer (Robert D. Kaplan) has commented on the less traditional attitude of many women in Iran compared to other Muslim countries. "In Iran, you could point a camera at a woman ... and she would smile" in contrast to other more conservative places where women may mind this.[58]

Please research more before coming to any conclusion. Comparing pakistan and Iran is a fallacy in the first place. Iran would beat pakistan in most, if not all fields. Only way pakistan may be a somewhat better is the military (and nukes).

Women in Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[RayKalm]

Please research more before coming to any conclusion. Comparing pakistan and Iran is a fallacy in the first place. Iran would beat pakistan in most, if not all fields. Only way pakistan may be a somewhat better is the military (and nukes).

Oh please, do not get me started Solomon. I was only comparing Pakistan and Iran because others compared the two first. I do not wish to compare the two, but I will definitely go for it if I'm pushed far enough.

And women in Iran do not in any way have more freedom than their Pakistani counterparts.

 

[King Solomon]

There's no such thing as 'experience' to deal with sanctions. Of course, Iran is use to them, but that doesn't mean Iran will be able to counter them to such an extent that they're virtually non-existence.

That does not mean Iran wouldn't be able to counter them either. In fact, there are more chances of Iran being able to do so rather than not as evident from history. We must judge on probabilities.

You should read my post above about my feelings for Iran.

Hmm, I don't understand your view. You said you take more neutral view yet you are quite anti Iranian here. Is it because of your personal problems with Abii?

Hopefully, Iran will get there. But, this is only if their leaders didn't support mass murderers around the world for their own intentions.\

Or maybe the person you think is a mass murderer, is not a mass murderer after all?

Edit: Funny, I didn't change the fonts of my text at all, but they've shown out as another font.

Looks good.