Intel: Why Armenia wants to make peace with Turkey

[rajvoSa]

warent the Soviets/Bolsheviks the ones who planted the seeds of modern day Nagarno-Karabakh dispute and conflict?

 

[CAN_TR]

I agree

If so why do you say Turks should return back to the Altai mountains?

btw... the homeland of our ancestors (Oghuz Turks) is Turkmenistan/Kazakhstan

 

[Bismarck]

What about Armenia trade with Iran? Are they affected by US sanctions?

 

[Mucahit]

Armenians should first make some concessions about Karabakh region, Azerbaijan retaking that region fully at this point is impossible but the current situation is just unacceptable. Secondly, stop with this whole "one" sided genocide sh*t and instead sit at the table work out something real. Turkey has done many things in the last 15 years but the Armenian side kept spitting their hate with twisting facts and reality in their favour.

 

[Nein]

Armenians should first make some concessions about Karabakh region, Azerbaijan retaking that region fully at this point is impossible but the current situation is just unacceptable. Secondly, stop with this whole "one" sided genocide sh*t and instead sit at the table work out something real. Turkey has done many things in the last 15 years but the Armenian side kept spitting their hate with twisting facts and reality in their favour.

Armenians want revenge to be honest. Turks should never keep their guard down even if they act so nice because deep down an armenian hatred of Turks knows no bounds.

Hence why Muslims who tell Turks to recognise the genocide dont know the story about what was going on especially Arabs.

 

[rajvoSa]

Armenians want revenge to be honest. Turks should never keep their guard down even if they act so nice because deep down an armenian hatred of Turks knows no bounds.

Hence why Muslims who tell Turks to recognise the genocide dont know the story about what was going on especially Arabs.

That period was plaged with similiar incidents. I would be, ok. We will recognize the genocide, it Armenia also recognozes their own crimes and how they wanted to create Great Armenia and cleanse nonarmenians from eastern Turkey. You France, also, recognize the genocide you commited in Norhern Afrika. Bulgarians, Serbs, Macedonians, Greeks you recognize yout own pogroms agains muslim populations ( Turks - turk was synonimus with muslim in that era, even today, when Mladic entered Srebrenica his first statment was; finaly time was come to take out revange against the Turks. Since Ottoman Empite was forced to reatreat from the Balkans primary goal of much of European powers was to cleanse it from the muslims population, from Turks, like they did in Andalusia.
So yes, if you are serious and honest in condeming such incidents, by all Allah lets do it, lets recognize all of them. And not pick and choose. Only Bosniaks were victims of 12 such atempts from 1914 till 1945, last one during 90s was 13th attempt. Their pump their chest, living in ilusion of superiority... idiots think by calling us still Turks, or Poturice, thinking its a insult to us. We know who we are, alweys did, we are Bosniaks, we are muslims by choice, and proud of it. Ottoman Empire was our Empire too, the most progresive Empire as Hegel noted, closes thing to his Utopia at the time. Turks didnt ban out lenguage, denide our indentity, they treated us with respect, as equals... and of course we loved it, fought for it, and our proud for out contribution to the one of the greates Empires the world ever seen.
united not by race, tribe, or some other european primitive concept, but by islamic principles, common phylosophy, values... who are not some made up jungle like so called judeo-christrian values that modern europe now champions, if you look deeper you will find nothing but artificial, made up, concept with no real root. They had to coopt Greek phylopophy and now calling it western, lol. Ancient Greece culture belongs to the East, if you can bring Plato to life and ask him about western philopohy and culture he would lough at you.

So yeah, call us Turks, we dont give a shit. No insult to us. what ever makes you blood boil, we are verya much enjoying it. OH, just one detail came to mind, remember EP turkey - croatia, when Semih Senturk kiked ***. Days before the match, bosnian forum were full of Croats, trashing us how they will beat Turkey, us, then idiots sent their cardinal to the camp of national team to pray for vicory agains Turkey... I mean, many ppl do support Turkey, but it wasnt like you know that much hyped. But their goding, mocking, pumping chest on our forums, thru newspepery... made us, not angry, but, ok... we gonna play your game, its our personal trait as a ppl, INAT,. Night of the game, there were 1000s ppl walking in Turkish jerseys, every bar with TV transmited the game, full house, almost every house, game was on... And when Senturk did his magic, oh man... all city exploded, man.
It was crazy. And croatian TV station were on the streets.... lol... complaining why we celebrate Turkish vicotory over out neighbour. Why, cause your were been assholes for weeks to us, we are turks, yes? Whats the problem then? trolling on national scale.

Only small majority, mostly communist idiots and some so called bosniak nationalist take that to the heart. But they are fringe, thank God for Ali Izetbegovic for not allowing this extreme european style nationalisam to take root. These are mostly the typse I with my army friends kept pulling them from mothers dressing cabinets when shit hit the fan in the 90s. fucking pussies. They glorify Yugoslavia, in which Bosniak as a third ppl by population, were treated like second clas. Serbs and Croats rulled Yugoslavia, all major leaver of power was in their hands. We even havent had a rigt to indetfy out self as Bosniaks, only as Serbs, Croats, or undicided, only in 1973 under new constiution we were given the right to identfy out self as Muslim, so Bosniak were the only ppl in 20 century that indetify themself not by ethnicity(nationaliti but by faith. Later they will use that, saying to the world, there are no Bosniaks, indigiunous ppl, only Muslims, who are intruders, leftovers of Ottoman Empire, Turks and traitors who became Turks. So, they have no place here, nor they need their own country. Let them go to Turkey from where they came. Interestingly, geneticly, Bosniaks have the least procentage of Slavic genes. I mean, I dont give a shit about it, but even their own argument fails in reality. lol


as for Arabs, majority of them lived under this bastard child of socio-nationalism. And you know how these system work, edveryhting begore them was shit. Yo you start with education, indoctrinating kids, hisotory is one of the most poweful tools... Turks and Ottoman Empire had to be painted as badly as it could, cause it was last such system... and its kinda a problem when you have ppl old enough to rememeber those times, so you go for the young. You really cant be objective and teach these kids that Ottoman Empire had good 350 plus years, how life wasnt so bad, how was at one time way ahead of any other Empire in almost every field. The life was good for many centuries. Instead you shit all over it, and thank the great leafer ( HAfez, Nasser, Bin Alli, Sadam) for what we have now. And if thing get tought, hey at least its our dear Leader who is fucking us up, imagine if its a turkish sultan like in school books. But the myths is slovly collapsing, look at Syria... FSA, majority of it, refused to fight as a US proxy, even if with it will come many benefits, instead they are more then happpy to fight along Turkey. They call them mercenries, US was paying more then double, then what is salary of TFSA gruoips. No, they remeber which country, and whose ppl treatecd em like human beings, like brothers, who opened their borders, who never stopped sending aid, only reason why rebel Syrian pocket wasnt on the brink of famine like in Yemen, is Turkey and its ppl. Shit, Turkey just elected a president who let almost 4 milions of refugees, while so called civilizaid west freeked out about few 1000. Can you imagine western leqader geting elected with such policy?
They rush to play a video of some bad incident, like somwe turk hiting a syrian child... which is rearity... they did cut the part when other Turk stomed and made that asshole shit his pans for hitting a child. And all of this with economy smaller then Geerman, French, Americans. Imagine if they have some economical issues like Turkey did, man, they would burn their camps and houses to the ground. All world can only do one thing and applaud Turkeys and its ppl on their values and character

 

[Deliorman]

@rajvoSa , and what about that game?

 

[rajvoSa]

If so why do you say Turks should return back to the Altai mountains?

btw... the homeland of our ancestors (Oghuz Turks) is Turkmenistan/Kazakhstan

Who brother, me? Where?

 

[CAN_TR]

Who brother, me? Where?

No SALMAN F.

 

[rajvoSa]

@rajvoSa , and what about that game?

heheh

I remember this one. I always cheer for Turkey except against Bosnia. Yeah, this was memorable too. But didnt have the same reaction. Semih Senturk game was a perfect storm... I mean, we wouldn really be so mean to our folks next door. But they kept pushing it. So, something had to be done. lol. Best of all were their TV reports from Sarajevo, like they cant to understand why we celebrate their defeat... you made it like that, and bringing a cardinal on tghe day of the match, and writing articles about some medievil battles, croatian knights and shit. F.uck you.

In Mostar was even more crazy, Mostar was scene of long city battče betwenn Bosnian Army and separatist Croatian forces.. >Eastern side is majority bosniak, western is majority Croat. Im amazed that some one didnt pull out RPG from under the bad and **** somneone up. Mostar is crazy, I dunno it was SP, what year cant remember, Croatia lost to Brasil, nec thing seeing video of 'brasilian' fans celebrating, going thru croatian western part.

OK, we are in offtopic deep waters now. Thats it

No SALMAN F.

Aha. He's neutralized

 

[Dubious]

Armenia’s reformist prime minister says he’s ready to establish relations with Turkey after his bloc won a landslide victory in Sunday’s parliamentary elections. Nikol Pashinian, a former journalist who was swept into power in May after leading mass protests that forced out his predecessor, said his government was ready to forge ties “without preconditions” with Armenia’s historic rival and hoped Ankara was ready to do the same.

Why it matters: Pashinian, 43, won on a mandate of ending the rampant corruption, poverty and joblessness that have bedeviled the former Soviet state since its independence in 1991. Establishing diplomatic ties and reopening the border with Turkey would help ease the grip of the oligarchs who monopolize Armenia’s economy.

More critically, it would strengthen Yerevan’s hand in talks to end the long-running conflict with neighboring Azerbaijan over the contested mountainous enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh, an Armenian-majority region that Armenia wrested from Azerbaijan in 1993. Turkey sealed its border with Armenia in solidarity with its ethnic kin in Azerbaijan, which it had secretly armed throughout the conflict. Normalization with Turkey would also help offset Armenia’s dependence on Moscow and allow Azerbaijan to export gas to Europe via Armenia, a shorter and cheaper alternative to existing lines through Georgia.

The Washington connection: Meanwhile, peace with Armenia would win Ankara much needed brownie points in Congress, where Turkey’s continued detention of US nationals and US Consulate employees, as well as its plans to buy Russian-made S-400 missiles, have triggered bipartisan fury. Both the Senate and the House are threatening a slew of sanctions. And long-touted congressional efforts to formally recognize the mass murder of more than a million Ottoman Armenians in 1915 as genocide would be even less likely to pass.

Turkic solidarity: In an ideal world, Turkey would seize the olive branch being extended. But it has steadfastly refused to do so until Armenia makes peace with Azerbaijan, ceding at least some of the territories it seized around Nagorno-Karabakh. This was not always so. In 2009, Turkey and Armenia signed a set of Swiss-brokered protocols to establish diplomatic relations and eventually reopen their border. But no sooner had the ink dried that Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, buckling to Azerbaijani pressure, did a U-turn, saying Armenia needed to make concessions on Nagorno-Karabakh first.

Since then, "the ball squashed by pressure from Baku, has rested squarely in Ankara's court," said Khatchig Mouradian, a lecturer at Columbia University. He told Al-Monitor, “There is little faith in Yerevan that Turkey will decouple the normalization of relations with Armenia from the Karabakh conflict anytime soon.”

What’s next: Erdogan continues to view Azerbaijan’s president, Ilham Aliyev, as a chief regional ally. In any case, Erdogan’s tactical partnership with Turkey’s ultra-nationalists make it highly unlikely that he will respond favorably to Pashinian. Russia, which thrives on regional divisions, will remain the big winner.

- Amberin Zaman

Please provide your source ..thank you

 

[帅的一匹]

They want peace, give Azerbadjans land back and stop with that stupid stories about genocide we make peace.

story or truth?

 

[bosanski vojnik]

warent the Soviets/Bolsheviks the ones who planted the seeds of modern day Nagarno-Karabakh dispute and conflict?

It played a part

However Armenia has been trying to forcibly take Muslim land and expel Muslims (Turks) since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire

Trust me I have had dealings with Armenians in the past and these guys are worser than the Serbs. At least some Serbs can fight mano to mano. With Armenians these little punks will try to stab you in the back and then run away like bitches.

That's what they did in the Khojaly massacre when the Russian 336th regiment took land for them and then they came in and massacred 500+ Azeri civilians.

That's why no peace unless they give Nagarno Karabakh to Azerbaijan and pay compensation to victims families.

 

[Oublious]

story or truth?

I have al ready writed, have some problems?

 

[rajvoSa]

It played a part

However Armenia has been trying to forcibly take Muslim land and expel Muslims (Turks) since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire

Trust me I have had dealings with Armenians in the past and these guys are worser than the Serbs. At least some Serbs can fight mano to mano. With Armenians these little punks will try to stab you in the back and then run away like bitches.

That's what they did in the Khojaly massacre when the Russian 336th regiment took land for them and then they came in and massacred 500+ Azeri civilians.

That's why no peace unless they give Nagarno Karabakh to Azerbaijan and pay compensation to victims families.

Interestingly enough, Armenian and Serb nationalism movments were heavily shaped and influnced by the French. Their role in inciting Armenians is well known, mostly ppl mention Russian Empire, yes.. they did played a role, but so is the French, many of armenian nationalist lived and studied in Frence. They played fundamental role, Serbian nationalist movment was in eraly days quite democratic and liberal, but more radical faction prevailed soon after supported by the French. First idea was of Serb nation, with 3 faith, orthodox, chatolic and muslim. We know which version prevailed and is shaping serb national psyche till this day. There's no european political elite that I despise more then the French. Even 100 years after, during bosnian war, they showed their face yet again, and president was socialist not some right winger. Clinton exposed french policy during 90s in his book, confirmed what Izetbegovic was saying and much more. Thank God, we had idiots for enemies. Still cant grasp why they celebrate their war generals, I mean, they lost the war in which they had enpormous advanteges. Then again, they still celebrate battle for Kosovo, which they lost.

I didnt have much contact with Armenians, met and spoke only with 3 of them. What I found interesting, according to them genocide talk didnt dominate domestic discurse until independence. The issue was dominant in diaspora mostly. This one guy said, he was the oldest of 3 I had chance to talk to.. that one of the dominant feelings was betrayal, that their leadership was duped by russians and europeans, ... for their own agenda. That thats what many felt before, odler generation, only later did discurse transform into fullblown antiturkish as its today and that it came from diaspora and then utilized by domestic elite to be used as a national identity building block. he was a leftist to, I might add, he had no many good words for nationalism in general, armenian too. So.

First world war was trully a gigantic disaster, it unleashed combined destructive power of new war technlogy powered by crude and unforgiving nationalism... hell, Mideast more then 100 years after is still fucked up, still suffering consequences of that war and its aftermath.Well, history is more of a cycle, not a straight line. Tables were turn, but sheesh when it does, euopeans soudnt count on Salahudin type of chiverly... west is aware of it, thats way they dont wanna see somekind of ME rebirth.. they still play division game. Egypt is best example, wrong guys won the election, oh shit this guys in Egypt, Erdogan in Turkey, Nahda in Tunisia, Qataris, shit what if Saudis come on board .. panic mode . send the military to save democracy, bring that midget general, lets create new divide. Vreate Sultan Erdogan and neotaminsm trope...

Please provide your source ..thank you

Al Monitor, name of the author is on the bottom.