Inside an Indian camp for radical Hindu women

[janon]

Is that Pakistanis or the Hindiutva Talibitch and her followers on the video that are doing what you are saying.

Do you imagine for a moment that these women are going to start a fearsome insurgency against the nation, like the TTP? How many of them will hijack aircrafts and fly them into buildings? How many would assassinate politicians and other important people? How many of them would roam the streets of Mumbai or Karachi, shooting at unarmed men, women and children? Do you think that inside theses "camps" they are trained in the use of military grade weapons and explosives, and on how to do fidayeen attacks? How many of them will blow themselves up near a border ceremony or inside a busful of passengers?

Sure, they might be the most extreme hindus you can find - but on the scale of extremism, they are quite possibly less extreme than many mainstream muslim parties in many countries. Hindu "extremism" is very different from islamic one.

 

[Kloitra]

There is a great difference between the treatment of Hindu terrorists and Muslim fanatics in India. While muslims are often locked up in jail and punished for the slightest of mistakes (like raising a Pakistani flag) Hindus are left alone after speeches calling for the end of Muslims. Varun Gandhi called for the end of all Muslims and is free. Many more like him too.

However on the other hand Akbaruddin Owaisi is suffering. This represents a disproportionate response towards Muslims rather than Hindus.

This is Varun:

A case was filed against Gandhi for allegedly making a provocative speech about Muslims, at a meeting at Dalchand Mohalla area of Pilibhit,He made the speech like "cut off the hand that is raised against Hindus ... If you want to save the Hindu religion, vote for me. If a Hindu doesn’t vote for me, he would be betraying his religion"[17]

This is Owaisi:

In his two-hour long speech, Owaisi made multiple comments against Hindus, Hindu deities, Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, Vishva Hindu Parishad, Bharatiya Janata Party, Narendra Modi, India and United States of America.[36][37][38][39][40][41][42][43] In his speech, Owaisi said that the 250 million Indian Muslims needed only 15 minutes without the police to show one billion Hindus who is more powerful.[36][44] Punjab Kesari reported that Owaisi referred to the Hindus as "impotent" and the Indian police as the "impotent army".[43] He said that not even one crore impotent men can together father one child.[43] He said that these people (Hindus) cannot face the Muslims, and whenever the Muslims start dominating the Hindus, the impotent army (police) intervenes.[43][45][46][47] Owaisi said that "we (Muslims) will not let you (Hindus) live peacefully,"[48] and added that the Muslims could "teach the rest of the world a lesson".[41]

Just a glimpse.
See the difference? Both of them are free BTW.

 

[janon]

There is a great difference between the treatment of Hindu terrorists and Muslim fanatics in India. While muslims are often locked up in jail and punished for the slightest of mistakes (like raising a Pakistani flag) Hindus are left alone after speeches calling for the end of Muslims. Varun Gandhi called for the end of all Muslims and is free. Many more like him too.

However on the other hand Akbaruddin Owaisi is suffering. This represents a disproportionate response towards Muslims rather than Hindus.

I have just given the reasons above. The so called hindu "terrorists" do not commit acts of terror like their islamic counterparts. If and when they do, they go to jail, as a few hindu terrorists have in the past.

 

[ranjeet]

There is a great difference between the treatment of Hindu terrorists and Muslim fanatics in India. While muslims are often locked up in jail and punished for the slightest of mistakes (like raising a Pakistani flag) Hindus are left alone after speeches calling for the end of Muslims. Varun Gandhi called for the end of all Muslims and is free. Many more like him too.

However on the other hand Akbaruddin Owaisi is suffering. This represents a disproportionate response towards Muslims rather than Hindus.

Before describing socio political situation of India please do read about the cases against people who indulge in hate speech during rallies. AKbaruddin Owaisi is out on bail and his party is trying to expand its wing.

 

[syedali73]

Do you imagine for a moment that these women are going to start a fearsome insurgency against the nation, like the TTP? How many of them will hijack aircrafts and fly them into buildings? How many would assassinate politicians and other important people? How many of them would roam the streets of Mumbai or Karachi, shooting at unarmed men, women and children? Do you think that inside theses "camps" they are trained in the use of military grade weapons and explosives, and on how to do fidayeen attacks? How many of them will blow themselves up near a border ceremony or inside a busful of passengers?

Sure, they might be the most extreme hindus you can find - but on the scale of extremism, they are quite possibly less extreme than many mainstream muslim parties in many countries. Hindu "extremism" is very different from islamic one.

They'll do more damage than what you have put down above. They'll bear children, who'll get to learn extremism from the cradle and the thought of what they'll become in later years sends chill down my spine.

 

[janon]

There is a great difference between the treatment of Hindu terrorists and Muslim fanatics in India. While muslims are often locked up in jail and punished for the slightest of mistakes (like raising a Pakistani flag) Hindus are left alone after speeches calling for the end of Muslims. Varun Gandhi called for the end of all Muslims and is free. Many more like him too.

However on the other hand Akbaruddin Owaisi is suffering. This represents a disproportionate response towards Muslims rather than Hindus.

Note something - raising the flag of an enemy country is an act of treason, no matter what the religion of the perpetrators. They were not arrested for being muslims or islamic extremists - they were arrested for foolishly and pointlessly flying Pak's flag in India. Now personally I don't mind them flying anything they want, but the law of the land states that anybody who does that will be arrested and charged.

There are hundreds of millions of muslims in India who would never fly the Pakistani flag. Pakistan does not represent islam, and is not the caretaker of islam. Indian muslims are as much islamic as anybody else.

 

[janon]

They'll do more damage than what you have put down above. They'll bear children, who'll get to learn extremism from the cradle and the thought of what they'll become in later years sends chill down my spine.

Are you really convinced about that, or are you saying that simply to pretend a false equivalence between hindu groups and islamic terror groups like TTP? You are an intelligent person - if you cast aside your allegiances and prejudices, and look at it from an objective POV, I'm sure you will agree with me that these are not comparable.

As I said, they are the most extreme hindutvawaadis you can find. If they will never commit acts of terrorism against anybody, or wage an insurgency against any country, what makes you think they will order their children to do so? A suicide bomber, whether male or female, can do equal harm. You are insisting that their sons will do acts that chill your spine, only because you know perfectly well that they themselves will not.

Just being passionate hindus is itself considered "extremism" by Pakistanis. By this yardstick, almost every group in Pakistan, including PML(N) would be islamic terrorists, if that's the yardstick you use. To be a hindu extrmeist, you just have to be a passionate hindu (who BTW doesn't bother to convert anybody forcefully). To be an islamic terrorist, you have to wield AK-47ss and grenades and wage war against the nation, and even then they are given the benefit of doubt about whether they are "good" terrorists or "bad".

 

[haviZsultan]

Before describing socio political situation of India please do read about the cases against people who indulge in hate speech during rallies. AKbaruddin Owaisi is out on bail and his party is trying to expand its wing.

How about Amit Shah. Afzal Guru hanged but Hindu fanatics free. During the Jama Masjid incident Muslims were picked up when they had done nothing.

 

[greatone]

Are you really convinced about that, or are you saying that simply to pretend a false equivalence between hindu groups and islamic terror groups like TTP? You are an intelligent person - if you cast aside your allegiances and prejudices, and look at it from an objective POV, I'm sure you will agree with me that these are not comparable.

As I said, they are the most extreme hindutvawaadis you can find. If they will never commit acts of terrorism against anybody, or wage an insurgency against any country, what makes you think they will order their children to do so? A suicide bomber, whether male or female, can do equal harm. You are insisting that their sons will do acts that chill your spine, only because you know perfectly well that they themselves will not.

Just being passionate hindus is itself considered "extremism" by Pakistanis. By this yardstick, almost every group in Pakistan, including PML(N) would be islamic terrorists, if that's the yardstick you use. To be a hindu extrmeist, you just have to be a passionate hindu (who BTW doesn't bother to convert anybody forcefully). To be an islamic terrorist, you have to wield AK-47ss and grenades and wage war against the nation, and even then they are given the benefit of doubt about whether they are "good" terrorists or "bad".

You can't blame him for peddling this BS when many Indians *cough sickulars cough* peddle it themselves.

 

[xyxmt]

Lies lies and more lies. RSS and its affiliated organizations together is the largest volunteer organization in India. Numbering more than 10 million by conservative estimates. If we take to violence, this would be a different place.

But no, let's just paint us as human devouring monsters. But then this is BBC, so it's ok.

I will also recommend you to watch 'The Final Solution' and 'Inshallah Football' or 'Inshallah Kashmir'. Hindu bashing at its best.

and so is Hafiz Saeed's Lashkar

 

[ranjeet]

How about Amit Shah. Afzal Guru hanged but Hindu fanatics free. During the Jama Masjid incident Muslims were picked up when they had done nothing.

Amit Shah has numerous cases against him, Afzal Guru helped the terrorists who attacked Indian parliament. And Batala encounter was a genuine encounter SC has made it cleared beyond any doubt. It's just being milked by political parties for vote bank.

 

[ranjeet]

They'll do more damage than what you have put down above. They'll bear children, who'll get to learn extremism from the cradle and the thought of what they'll become in later years sends chill down my spine.

Yeah being among suicide bombers and terrorists doesn't send chill down your spine but some women living across the border does, great.

 

[ranjeet]

and so is Hafiz Saeed's Lashkar

it's good I hope Hafiz Saeed's and the likes of him prosper in Pakistan.

 

[asquare]

The RSS has led to the semitisation of Hinduism. Hinduism faces no existential threat from anyone. If we give way to these paranoid delusions we will go the way of radical Islam.

I'm not in favour of banning the RSS- they haven't done anything illegal. However, many of their affiliate organisations have and they openly incite hatred- hatred which no one with even a modicum of understanding of Hinduism would incite. There needs to be a crackdown on these organisations and the BJP government is the only one that will be able to pull off a crackdown.

 

[dray]

Not exactly. They belong to the Sangh, not to RSS. In fact we have serious 'issues' with Bajrang Dal from time to time. Also with VHP at times.

Ha ha Sangh Parivar; RSS, VHP, Bajrang Dal and all of their Bahinis, all belong to the Sangh Parivar, the same family, the same school of thoughts, maybe manifestation and execution of that school of thought differ between these organizations in the level of intensity. So even if RSS and VHP/Bajrangdal don't share father-son relation, they at least share brotherhood and family values.