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Inside an Indian camp for radical Hindu women

Also, it'll be harder to for people to prey on the fears of some Hindus if they are convinced that a strong government is in power.
Yes, otherwise we will protect ourselves. As for BBC, I am sorry but they have remained strictly against us* since the beginning. So we don't see this as an aberration. In fact this is a remarkably well balanced in comparison. :)
Secondly I fully and totally support Durga Vahini and don't consider it lunacy in any way. But that's just me and the Indian law.


*By us I mean India. From Mangalyaan to toilets you will find them praising us all the time. :D
Hindutva version of Talibitches.
No. Just Hindus.

I can assure you this though. If we had the Durga Vahini in your country, hundreds of Sindhi girls among others would not have been forcefull converted. The 12 year old kid would probably have been saved too. But alas. :(

Hafeez Saeed is also social worker
Yes. And we are terrorists of the highest order. Please tell US to bomb our camps. They run openly and should not be difficult to track.

VHP and Bajrang dal are very much RSS wings.
Not exactly. They belong to the Sangh, not to RSS. In fact we have serious 'issues' with Bajrang Dal from time to time. Also with VHP at times.
 
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Indian-Canadian film-maker Nisha Pahuja spent years trying to get inside Durga Vahini, an Indian camp for radical Hindu women. She was finally granted permission and made the documentary The World Before Her. Here she describes what she saw in that camp.

It is the final day of the 10-day Durga Vahini camp.

Eighty girls are on their way to march and chant through the streets of the western city of Aurangabad. They are about to proudly proclaim India a Hindu nation.

All across the country many such parades are under way or being planned by the Durga Vahini, the women's wing of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) - the cultural arm of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) - the largest Hindu nationalist group in India.

Durga Vahini literally means Army of Durga - named after the goddess who is among the fiercest in the Hindu pantheon.

There is camaraderie and excitement on the bus. The girls are dressed in white salwaar kameez (pyjamas and long tunics) and saffron-coloured dupattas (scarves). Two of the camp leaders are at the front of the bus leading the girls in a chant: "Hindustan is for Hindus. Pakistan can go to hell!"

As the girls repeat the chant I'm struck by their eyes - they reflect the headiness of transgression.

'Die for beliefs'
The leaders grin: "You could be put in jail for what you are saying!"

"We'll die for our beliefs!" postures one young girl. "We'll kill anyone who gets in our way!" yells another.

Ten days earlier the majority of these girls and young women, aged 13-25, were soft-spoken, shy and naive.


For most, this was the first time - and probably the last time - they were away from home without their families.

Many of them came from small villages, had little education, were from the lower castes and likely to be married in the next few years. Before they got to the camp, many were also free of the deep-rooted prejudice against Muslims and Christians that so defines the mindset of the VHP and the RSS.

But a lot can change in 10 days.

Apart from the military-style combat training, the girls are fed a revisionist history that promotes Hindu supremacy and posits Hinduism as the only legitimate religion of India. They are also taught to see their role in the defence and propagation of Hinduism as a service to their country.

And they are trained to be warriors and wives - they must be strong enough to break the bones of the enemy but docile enough to never question their husbands. The Durga Vahini leadership is blind to this duality - but that it has repercussions is abundantly clear.

No-one has been more marked by this duality than Prachi Trivedi, one of the leaders of the camp and quite possibly the most enigmatic woman I've ever met. In her world of limited choices, working for the Durga Vahini - which she admits is problematic - affords her a degree of dignity and freedom.

Prachi is the reason I am here, allowed to witness and document this camp. It has taken me nearly two years to get access to this world and thus far ours is the only camera crew to have ever been allowed in.

Set up by the hardline Hindu organisation VHP (Vishwa Hindu Parishad or World Hindu Council) in 1984-85.
Women aged 15 to 35 years are eligible to join the group.
The group's website describes it as a "dynamic voluntary organisation" of young Hindu women.
It says the organisation "strives for the security of society" and imparts knowledge of culture and tradition.
Every member is expected to exercise regularly for "increasing her physical stamina" and to read "good literature".
The group says it "ensures rehabilitation" of widows, women who have been deserted by their husbands, or women "involved in accidents".
Training camps of 15-20 days are organised for members in all states.
The group runs vocational training and tailoring centres and blood donation camps, among other things.
Members are also trained in "dagger wielding" and use of firearms, according to the website.
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'Complex world'
At our first meeting they chose a rehabilitation project the VHP ran for prostitutes and their children as a way to introduce me to their ethos.

Getting inside the camps was not easy - it took perseverance, negotiation, honesty, luck and a lot of time. But more than anything else, it took gaining the trust of Prachi, her family and key players within the VHP.

Finally, after close to two years, they opened the doors to a world that was complex, shocking and problematic - but that ultimately forced me to question my own prejudices and assumptions about them.

Yes, there were deeply troubling moments - taking young girls and teaching them to be paranoid and to hate the "other" is in itself a form of violence and yet, it was undeniable that these young women became more confident, stronger and more sure of themselves after 10 days.

In a country like India, where women's rights is a constant battle, there was something powerful about watching these young women be transformed in spite of knowing that the cost of this process was intolerance.


It was also undeniable that the people instilling such lessons were hospitable and filled with a desire to serve their country.

What motivated them was a vision, an idea of the truth and a moral certainty that they had found it. It was as unshakeable to them as my belief in equality or Western assertions that "democracy" is the only way forward.

The question for me became one of faith. How does one reason with faith? And that too a faith that has been bred into you and reinforced by family and social structures that form the pillars of the world as you live it?

I began to see that all of us are ultimately products of time, place, history, genes and countless other factors beyond our control. If this then is our collective inheritance, how many of our choices are truly our own? How many of us are actually free?

On the last day of camp, as a group of girls boarded the van that was taking them home, Pansaray, one of the camp seniors, put her hands together and said: "Forgive us if we've done anything wrong."

I still find that one of the most moving lines in the film. It reminds me that all of us are often dictated by forces we cannot see.


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Goddess Durga's army Inside an Indian camp for radical Hindu women
 
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They are trying very hard to get VHP banned as a radical terrorist organization. Frequent references have been cropping up about them from Rajdeep Sardesai trying to pin the blame on Togadia for Gujarat riots to the Coalition Against Genocide's whisper campaign against them. VHP is a world wide Hindu chapter and apparently the main target of anti-Indian forces.
 
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Yes, otherwise we will protect ourselves. As for BBC, I am sorry but they have remained strictly against us* since the beginning. So we don't see this as an aberration. In fact this is a remarkably well balanced in comparison. :)
Secondly I fully and totally support Durga Vahini and don't consider it lunacy in any way. But that's just me and the Indian law.


*By us I mean India. From Mangalyaan to toilets you will find them praising us all the time. :D

No. Just Hindus.

I can assure you this though. If we had the Durga Vahini in your country, hundreds of Sindhi girls among others would not have been forcefull converted. The 12 year old kid would probably have been saved too. But alas. :(

I don't remember the details of the documentary, I'll watch it again before I say anyhting about it. Just watching the clip that Indrani posted, do you agree with the views of that particular Durga Vahini leader/preacher (I'm not claiming those are Durga Vahini's views, I don't know what their views are)-

1. Women should be married by the time the are 18 otherwise they become strong willed and impossible to control.
2. Women pursuing careers are westernised and they do it just for their ego.
3. Women have natural weakness of character.

Agree with any/all? Did I misinterpret and did she mean something else?
 
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1. Women should be married by the time the are 18 otherwise they become strong willed and impossible to control.
2. Women pursuing careers are westernised and they do it just for their ego.
3. Women have natural weakness of character.
Tliban say the same.
 
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Lies lies and more lies. RSS and its affiliated organizations together is the largest volunteer organization in India. Numbering more than 10 million by conservative estimates. If we take to violence, this would be a different place.

But no, let's just paint us as human devouring monsters. But then this is BBC, so it's ok.

I will also recommend you to watch 'The Final Solution' and 'Inshallah Football' or 'Inshallah Kashmir'. Hindu bashing at its best. :D


Sarthak Ganguly,

Is RSS stupid enough not to know that anyone making documentary on it is making that documentary with intent of slander.

Why they give access to anyone, knowing that they would be misquoted, selectively edited to make them look like monsters, especially to Hindu hating ABCDs?
 
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1. Women should be married by the time the are 18 otherwise they become strong willed and impossible to control.
2. Women pursuing careers are westernised and they do it just for their ego.
3. Women have natural weakness of character.
Don't agree with any of them. :disagree: When it comes to education we broadly follow Vivekananda. I on the contrary believe women are stronger.

Is RSS stupid enough not to know that anyone making documentary on it is making that documentary with intent of slander.
Let's face it. Most of the RSS workers are not from the elite sections of the society. They come from villages, simple hearted folks who know little about the media and the way the world works. A chance to be on TV and in the papers makes everyone lose their heads and start boasting. :D It's silly, true, but not much can be done about it. They don't know the repercussions. The BBC however, by showing school girls openly have helped brand them as radicals/monsters for life.
 
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Not exactly. They belong to the Sangh, not to RSS. In fact we have serious 'issues' with Bajrang Dal from time to time. Also with VHP at times.

RSS is the parent organization of the Sangh. VHP and Bajrang Dal were born of the necessity for more muscular Hinduism and are offshoots of the RSS. There is no issue with Bajrang Dal or with VHP and RSS. If it was so, all these groups would not have been represented in the swearing in ceremony of Modi.

Also, it is people with extremely low values who keep thinking that Modi will ditch the very organizations which resulted in him being what he is.
 
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I don't remember the details of the documentary, I'll watch it again before I say anyhting about it. Just watching the clip that Indrani posted, do you agree with the views of that particular Durga Vahini leader/preacher (I'm not claiming those are Durga Vahini's views, I don't know what their views are)-

1. Women should be married by the time the are 18 otherwise they become strong willed and impossible to control.
2. Women pursuing careers are westernised and they do it just for their ego.
3. Women have natural weakness of character.

Agree with any/all? Did I misinterpret and did she mean something else?

They just presented one lady's view about the society around her and quoted her out of context. Durga Vahini girls are being brought up to be fighters and if that means having to castrate a drunk violent husband, then they would not hesitate.
 
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Sarthak Ganguly,

Is RSS stupid enough not to know that anyone making documentary on it is making that documentary with intent of slander.

Why they give access to anyone, knowing that they would be misquoted, selectively edited to make them look like monsters, especially to Hindu hating ABCDs?

That is an old documentary and it took the lady about 2 years of cajoling and positioning herself to get that interview.
 
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Sarthak Ganguly,

Is RSS stupid enough not to know that anyone making documentary on it is making that documentary with intent of slander.

Why they give access to anyone, knowing that they would be misquoted, selectively edited to make them look like monsters, especially to Hindu hating ABCDs?
Very difficult to hide things in the age of social media.

 
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WTF has that got to do with anything? Are you searching for a bride?

those females are given reluctant freedom by their parents, only because the daughters will get to know ways to kill muslims and christians... show me one instance where that female will follow anything other than "laws of manu"... having boyfriend is not a luxury given to them...

well, i don't know if i can trust any of them for me to take them as girlfriend(s)...
 
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