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Indra on supporting Mukti Bahni terrorist..

Basically you are saying that Indira changed the future course of West Pakistan also, for worse.

India shot itself in the foot..thats a better way of saying..

That is True

The whole Zia Ul Haq Islamisation campaign came AFTER 1971

They realised that Ethnic feelings and language can cause a split as it happened in 1971

So to counter it they became MORE religious --hardliners-- but that led to extremism and terrorism

there is not such thing as language movement..other than in the books of Kao boys..Bangalis are dying to learn Urdu and English so they can come and work in Middle East..so much for the language movement.
 
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She was a very smart lady. Henry kessinger has praised her like anything. It was not easy to separate bangladesh from pakistan with an overwhelming support. US, Britain, Indonesia, UAE, Saudi whole gulf including Iran were in support of Pakistan. This stubborn lady ultimately did what she had planned.

Yes Indian prime minister started the tradition of state-level supporting of cross-border terrorism more than half a century ago.

Now everyone knows about Indian cross-border terrorism has caused millions of lives in the neighborhood prompting reciprocal response from other neighboring countries albeit at a much much lesser scale. Only Indian living in state of denial refuse to acknowledge!

So it is high time that India breaks this tradition of sponsoring terrorism in the neighborhood (e.g. TTP, BLA via Afghanistan etc), so that peace could finally come to this region.

And I do hope average Indians will come out of living in the state of denial at last!
 
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India shot itself in the foot..thats a better way of saying..

Pakistan screwing up its own country and India shot itself in the foot? Pakistan positioned itself as India's enemy right from the day it was born as a separate country, and 1971 pushed it towards radicalization that destroyed its economic potential and created more internal security problem within its (present) boundaries. For us, having an economically weaker and broken Pakistan on one side of our border is far better than having a stronger Pakistan on both sides as an enemy. We actually killed two birds with one stone in 1971.
 
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Pakistan screwing up its own country and India shot itself in the foot? Pakistan positioned itself as India's enemy right from the day it was born as a separate country, and 1971 pushed it towards radicalization that destroyed its economic potential and created more internal security problem within its (present) boundaries. For us, having an economically weaker and broken Pakistan on one side of our border is far better than having a stronger Pakistan on both sides as an enemy. We actually killed two birds with one stone in 1971.

Pakistan did not become radicalised due to 1971. Nor has Islamic radicalisation weakened Pakistan. (I think that since the Indians' first story-i.e. that our support for Kashmiri mujahideen harmed us-has proven to be a false story they are now conjuring this new story of Pakistan's supposed suicidal radicalisation). In fact Pakistan was strong, stable and prosperous during the 1980s when it was Islamized.

It was due to extreme corruption by stupid politicians (corruption was almost non-existent in 1980s Pakistan) and ethnic infighting in Karachi that Pakistan has its troubles. And the TTP troubles started due to Musharraf stupidly taking US' side in the War on Terror. The WoT is the actual cause of terrorism in Pakistan.
 
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The WoT is the actual cause of terrorism in Pakistan.

You are focusing on the 'spark' ignoring the explosives you were nurturing in your home for decades, if it wasn't for WoT, then something else, but the explosives would have caught fire in some way or other.
 
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You are focusing on the 'spark' ignoring the explosives you were nurturing in your home for decades, if it wasn't for WoT, then something else, but the explosives would have caught fire in some way or other.

Which explosives? Care to elaborate?

I bet you know nothing about the actual causes of terrorism in Pakistan.
 
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Terrorist supporter india and Terrorist organization Mukti Bani must be named and a resolution is absolutely needed.
We will start voicing this opinion and create petitions , its only a matter of time once this becomes official Pakistani
stance

much betters of you have tried and failed because truth isn't on that side. All that happened was Pakistan got exposed

Bhutto was a Sindhi not Punjabi...Mujeeb launched his seven points in Lahore..Mujeeb was hugely popular with Punjabis..and Ayub Khan was in favor of brokering a power sharing deal with Mujeeb.
  1. The war crime theory has never been proven..no mass graves containing 3 Million Bengali victims have ever been discovered in Bangladesh..Another propaganda claim made up by Indian media..
  2. Pakistan is also showing compassion and intelligence by backing the Kashmiri and Sikh popular resistance to rule of Hindoo dominated India which is using genocide and war crimes to suppress people.
  3. Unlike Indra, Mushraff did not get killed by his body guard for bombing red mosque.
  4. Had India not poked its nose..Pakistan would have a different posture on Kashmir..

)Bhutto's race does not change the fact that Pak military and authority was and has been Punjab dominated
)War crime is well proven. Only ill educated deny it
) Pakistan and compassion do not go together - just look at how most of global terrorism starts or radicalized in Pakistani madrassas
)Musharraf and Indira cannot be compared. they are opposite. Musharraf was a military dictator who tried to become a civilian leader and failed. Indira was a civilian leader who tried to become a dictator for a brief while and was thrown out by the people. Why is Pakistan so anxious to compare themselves to India and try to get some credibility atleast that way!
)As to India poking its nose, just view the video again - Mrs.Gandhi has fittingly answered it.

Our Dog is Dog & Your Dog = Tommy
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It's a same War same Fire that you've en-kindled in BD, Now screwing you in Kashmir ....its Called KARMA, Newtons 3rd law
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Those Good Guys that are in 95% majority have exhausted Russians then Americans and in return we paid some little price of Rebellious attack from Bad Guys which wont accounts more than 5%, And the reason behind their bad feelings towards us is that we invaded their Land of FATA which they wont tolerate, that feeling is now settled down by negotiations with their grand Jirgas. Moreover they've some more complex reason for attacking us like they wont accept DURAND LINE and in favor of free flow towards Afghan land and One more Hot reason for attacking us is that we Muslim Pak is assisting Kafir USA or else :P

Now stop whining by bringing lame excuses like milking snake or Same fire have burnt your house down....blah blah blah

just shows you understand neither karma nor newton's law.
 
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)War crime is well proven. Only ill educated deny it

You mean war crimes of Mukhti Bahni against West-Pakistani civilians and Pro-Pakistani Bengalis?? There is no international hue and cry neither a trial came up..unlike the Nazi war crime trial which is still running..Either Indians are too stupid with their propaganda or Pakistanis are too clever to out-smart international justice?

In the sub-continent, India laid the foundation of cross-border terrorism. The Research and Analysis Wing (RAW), which was established on 21 September 1968, was preceded by the Intelligence Bureau (IB) and back in 1968 IB operatives had already begun sowing cross-border seeds to what would later become the Mukti Bahini.

For the record, the Mukti Bahini was preceded by the Mukti Fauj which in return was preceded denominationally by the Sangram Parishad. Mukti Bahini guerillas-along with RAW operatives and regulars from the Indian Army-operated training camps in the Indian states of West Bengal, Arunachal Pradesh, Bihar, Assam, Nagaland, Mizoram and Tripura.

By late 1970, the Mukti Bahini, armed and trained by India, had begun undertaking subversive activities targeting power plants, railways, industries, bridges, fuel depots, looting banks, raiding warehouses, mining ships and killing non-Bengalis. On 26 March 1971, Pakistan Army initiated Operation Searchlight-a law-and-order enforcement operation to safeguard the lives and properties of East Pakistanis and establish the writ of the state. As of March 1971, the total strength of Pakistan army troops posted in East Pakistan stood at 12,000 (armed only with small weapons).

By late-April 1971, Operation Searchlight had managed to throw the Mukti Bahini across the border back into India. Mukti Bahini’s ‘Monsoon offensive’ was also neutralized.

On 15 May 1971, Indian Army’s Eastern Command officially initiated ‘Operation Jackpot’ to reorganize the Mukti Bahini who were on the run. The Indians equipped the Mukti Bahini with Italian howitzers, Dakota DC-3 aircraft, Otter DHC-3 fighter planes and Allouette helicopters (Italian howitzers used by the Mukti Bahini are now preserved at the Bangladesh Military Museum in Dhaka).

Operation Jackpot began churning out up to 5,000 trained guerilla fighters every month. Mukti Bahini guerillas along with RAW operatives and Indian Army regulars would enter East Pakistan through forward bases that were set up in Tripura and West Bengal.

According to Archer Blood, an American career diplomat who served as the last American Consul General to Dhaka, “Indian soil was made available for training camps, hospitals and supply depots for the Mukti Bahini” and the Mukti Bahini had a “safe haven to which it could retire for rest, food, medical supplies and weapons….”

In Nagaland, the Indian Armed Forces established a jungle airstrip for the Mukti Bahini from where Indian Air Force trained pilots conducted sorties by Otter DHC-3 aircraft. India’s Eastern Command trained more than 400 naval commandos and frogmen to drown vessels in Chittagong, Chandpur and Narayanganj.

In Dehra Dun, Major-General Oban “selected the best personnel from the Mukti Bahini” and gave them political and military training. One Mukti Bahini Sector Commander, Quazi Nooruzzaman, writes: “Having received the training, political commandos found it embarrassing to identify themselves as products of the Indian authorities. So they gave themselves the name of Bangladesh Liberation Force.”

The Mukti Bahini killed anywhere from 100,000 Biharis (according to the ‘Chronology for Biharis in Bangladesh’) to 150,000 Biharis (according to the ‘Encyclopedia of Violence, Peace and Conflict; page 64). Qutubuddin Aziz, in ‘Blood and Tears’, has documented 170 eye-witness accounts of the ‘atrocities committed on Biharis and other non-Bengalis’ across 55 towns, covering ‘110 places where the slaughter of the innocents took place’.

According to Lawrence Lifschultz, South Asia correspondent for the Far Eastern Economic Review, the Mukti Bahini leader, Abdul Kader Siddiqui, “personally bayoneted” non-Bengalis to death and the entire incident was filmed by foreign film crews whom Siddiqui had invited to witness the spectacle.

For the record, as per the 1951 census there were 671,000 Biharis in East Pakistan-and imagine up to 20 percent of the entire Bihari population was massacred by the Mukti Bahini. According to Yasmin Saikia’s ‘Women, War and the Making of Bangladesh’, thousands of Bihari women were raped and tortured by the Mukti Bahini (Duke University Press; page 41).

As of 16 December 1971, the total strength of the Pakistani army troops posted in East Pakistan stood at 34,000 (of which 23,000 were infantry). By December 1971, the total strength of Indian troops around East Pakistan stood at between 150,000 and 400,000 with an additional 100,000 Indian-trained Mukti Bahini. The Indian air force deployed four Hunter Squadrons, one Sukhoi Squadron, three Gnat Squadrons and three MiG-21 Squadrons.

The Indian navy deployed Aircraft Carrier Vikrant comprising 47 aircraft, eight destroyers, two submarines and three landing ship tanks. In December 1971, India’s 4 Infantry Division, 9 Infantry Division, 20 Mountain Division, 6 Mountain Division, 8 Mountain Division, 57 Mountain Division and 23 Division invaded East Pakistan.

The old saying is that “no one has been able to strike terror into others and at the same time enjoy peace of mind”. The Mukti Bahini terrorists may have been forgotten but the terror that they unleashed on innocent Biharis and other non-Bengalis cannot be whipped off the history books.






It was due to extreme corruption by stupid politicians (corruption was almost non-existent in 1980s Pakistan) and ethnic infighting in Karachi that Pakistan has its troubles. And the TTP troubles started due to Musharraf stupidly taking US' side in the War on Terror. The WoT is the actual cause of terrorism in Pakistan.

Mushraff did not lay out a concrete plan to fight the WOT and you can also put part of the blame of US arrogance to strike Afghanistan..OBL could have been taken out by surgical strike and the correct strategy to bomb Afghanistan would be after sealing the border to make sure no terrorist flood into Pakistan..

WOT and Afghan war both are sparking American failures of how war should not be conducted...

)Bhutto's race does not change the fact that Pak military and authority was and has been Punjab dominated

You have blown a fuse or two in your brain nothing else...

The fact is that India laid down the foundation of terrorism by non-state proxy and it is the Pakistanis who have mastered the art..the Islamic spirit of martyrdom also has a role to play here and the Muslims have far out-competed the Indians in violence and terrorism..to the point that now it gives sleepless nights to Indian strategy makers......and the biggest revenge is being exacted in Afghanistan..from parliament attacks to the recent Pathankot..it is either the Indians are too stupid or the Pakistanis are too clever..whatever India may admit..it is clear that she is being out-bidded in her own tactics...
 
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If according to you,supporting an insurgent group=Invasion,then Pakistan probably invaded Afghanistan,Iran,India,China and a dozen other countries across the world.
no, your ground force actually violated The International Border of East Pakistan on 21-22 November 1971....
 
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@somebozo - stop the cut & paste and debate. It is impossible to go through large swathes of nonsense to look for any possible reality you may have hidden in there.

Stop expressing typical passive aggressive mentality of your countrymen..you dont own PDF....

no, your ground force actually violated The International Border of East Pakistan on 21-22 November 1971....

Passive aggressive behavior..split ethics..one for self..and one for other...
Before violating the international border....there were series of cross border terrorism financing...

Today India scream on all fronts of anti-terror forums because the guilt of past is eating into the sleep of its leaders...
 
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no, your ground force actually violated The International Border of East Pakistan on 21-22 November 1971....

Not on "Official Record".Everyone knows in 1971,One Air India flight got hijacked and it landed on Pakistan where the hijackers were hailed as "Heroes".And Officially its PAF whose preemptive strike marks the formal starting of War.

Unofficially our paratroopers landed in Bangladesh like 2 months before that.
 
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Not on "Official Record".Everyone knows in 1971,One Air India flight got hijacked and it landed on Pakistan where the hijackers were hailed as "Heroes".And Officially its PAF whose preemptive strike marks the formal starting of War.

Unofficially our paratroopers landed in Bangladesh like 2 months before that.
oh so violating the International Border, using unformed personnel, isnt official and formal war, ok got it
 
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oh so violating the International Border, using unformed personnel, isnt official and formal war, ok got it

Violating border using uniformed personnel...Hmmmm....Reminds me of a certain operation known as Grandslam. You remember Grandslam bro? How is it wrong if India uses a method that Pakistan has used multiple times in the past? Matlab tum karo to chamatkaar, Aur hum karein to balatkaar?
 
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She did her job as PM of India and supporting a oppressed country bangladesh.
 
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