Indonesia Maritime defence and security issue

[pr1v4t33r]

Indonesia is willing to help preserving the sanctity of this grave sites. But, others have to take initiatives too, reach our government, make agreemant to protect the sites and bring their resources, expertise and Funds. That's how this kind of cooperation works. Don't come with empty handed and demanding result. We have our priorities too.

 

[Nike]

No it doesn't. It just takes respect for the dead. How do you treat your own war dead?

some people just forget those places served as thombs too

Indonesia is willing to help preserving the sanctity of this grave sites. But, others have to take initiatives too, reach our government, make agreemant to protect the sites and bring their resources, expertise and Funds. That's how this kind of cooperation works. Don't come empty handed and demanding result.

simply if we got our hands in full conditions like today we still had the chance to save them. Actually the salvaging and raiding happened for years

 

[Penguin]

We could keep the wreckages as a reminder on how the ABCD forces got their asses handed to them.

So the Japanese could go on and treat the Indonesian population nicely, you mean?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_occupation_of_the_Dutch_East_Indies#The_occupation

Indonesia is willing to help preserving the sanctity of this grave sites. But, others have to take initiatives too, reach our government, make agreemant to protect the sites and bring their resources, expertise and Funds. That's how this kind of cooperation works. Don't come with empty handed and demanding result. We have our priorities too.

Empty handed?

The Netherlands is one of the main foreign investors in Indonesia. The Netherlands was the sixth largest foreign investor in Indonesia in 2013, with direct investments to the tune of €930 million. Through the Port of Rotterdam and Schiphol Airport, the Netherlands is Indonesia’s gateway to Europe. Dutch exports rose by 27% to €800 million in 2013, while imports from Indonesia amounted to €2.8 billion, putting the Netherlands in second place in the list of Indonesia’s EU trading partners. The Netherlands supports its trading and investment relationship with Indonesia and the country’s economic development through a variety of programmes.

A spokesman for the Indonesian navy said the missing ships should not have been disturbed as they were war graves.

Naval warships and war graves are protected under international law that makes the desecration of such shipwrecks illegal.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/indonesia-says-not-blame-missing-wwii-shipwrecks-094751305.html

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Actually the salvaging and raiding happened for years

That's why they need to cooperate with us from the beginning and stated their concern about this issue. What i understand is that they are caught off guard and shocked that their precious wreckage dissaper misteriously. This could happened years ago and only recently been found out. Now, if they are really serious about protecting these sites, i recommend that they strike a deal with our government like what Australia did.

Empty handed? The Netherlands is one of the main foreign investors in Indonesia.

Stay on topic in hand, which is protecting shipwrecks. You want us to protect your WWII shipwrecks, then do your share of responsibilities.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

So the Japanese could go on and treat the Indonesian population nicely, you mean?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_occupation_of_the_Dutch_East_Indies#The_occupation



Empty handed?

The Netherlands is one of the main foreign investors in Indonesia. The Netherlands was the sixth largest foreign investor in Indonesia in 2013, with direct investments to the tune of €930 million. Through the Port of Rotterdam and Schiphol Airport, the Netherlands is Indonesia’s gateway to Europe. Dutch exports rose by 27% to €800 million in 2013, while imports from Indonesia amounted to €2.8 billion, putting the Netherlands in second place in the list of Indonesia’s EU trading partners. The Netherlands supports its trading and investment relationship with Indonesia and the country’s economic development through a variety of programmes.

Of which could nvr happened if you guys won the battle. So who's fault was that really?

 

[Boss Dragun]

So the Japanese could go on and treat the Indonesian population nicely, you mean?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_occupation_of_the_Dutch_East_Indies#The_occupation

Lol. Like you're not the one who did the same thing, if not even worse than them?

en.voi.co.id/voi-features/9536-westerling-massacre

https://networks.h-net.org/node/529...dutch-imperial-past-returns-haunt-netherlands

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rawagede_massacre

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1740_Batavia_massacre

I can go on although the list will be just too much for you to handle. You don't have the right to accuse other when your own country have TONS of them. Typical hypocrite culture of the west, eh?

Empty handed?

The Netherlands is one of the main foreign investors in Indonesia. The Netherlands was the sixth largest foreign investor in Indonesia in 2013, with direct investments to the tune of €930 million. Through the Port of Rotterdam and Schiphol Airport, the Netherlands is Indonesia’s gateway to Europe. Dutch exports rose by 27% to €800 million in 2013, while imports from Indonesia amounted to €2.8 billion, putting the Netherlands in second place in the list of Indonesia’s EU trading partners. The Netherlands supports its trading and investment relationship with Indonesia and the country’s economic development through a variety of programmes.

Seriously? €2.8 is nothing when we can get LOTS from east Asia ALONE. Your country rank suggest that you can be easily replaced by another EU country, or even better let China,Japan,SK,Russia take the empty places left. Heck, even singapore is A LOT more enthusiastic for it than some random EU member country who thinks they own Indonesia just because they're..... Ranked 6th.. Haha.

Besides, bragging about investment irrelevant to the case. People investing in Indonesia because it's profitable for them. If you don't pay for the lookers then you get nothing. You expect freebies from us? What are you, some colonial wannabe?

No it doesn't. It just takes respect for the dead. How do you treat your own war dead?

Yes we respect OUR own war graves. The problem is those wreckages are of some western aliens, not our people's. Therefore we have no obligation to give them the same treatment as it's costly and nobody cares about them, Not even their own countrymen.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Yes we respect OUR own war graves. The problem is those wreckages are of some western aliens, not our people's. Therefore we have no obligation to give them the same treatment as it's costly and nobody cares about them, Not even their own countrymen.

You're so cruel...

 

[Penguin]

That's why they need to cooperate with us from the beginning and stated their concern about this issue. What i understand is that they are caught off guard and shocked that their precious wreckage dissaper misteriously. This could happened years ago and only recently been found out. Now, if they are really serious about protecting these sites, i recommend that they strike a deal with our government like what Australia did.


Stay on topic in hand, which is protecting shipwrecks. You want us to protect your WWII shipwrecks, then do your share of responsibilities.

The Dutch government hasn't demanded anything, it started an investigation. So, you are huffing and puffing about nothing, pre-emptively. Poor form. FYI per 2020 Indonesia may no longer received Dutch aid, under the next administration. Things like this surely can be affected by how Indonesia responds to any concerns voiced in this respect. So, it is very much on topic.

Yes we respect OUR own war graves. The problem is those wreckages are of some western aliens, not our people's. Therefore we have no obligation to give them the same treatment as it's costly and nobody cares about them, Not even their own countrymen.

Out of some 2200 people that died during that particular battle, 900 were Dutch and 250 of Indonesian-Dutch origin.

Judging from your attitude, you surely won't mind if ' we' take a piss on your war-memorials next time around in Indonesia then?

And/or no longer supply parts for your Dutch sourced navy ships.

Of which could nvr happened if you guys won the battle. So who's fault was that really?

The folks that attacked Pearl Harbor, I would think.

 

[afiq0110]

The Dutch government hasn't demanded anything, it started an investigation. So, you are huffing and puffing about nothing, pre-emptively. Poor form. FYI per 2020 Indonesia may no longer received Dutch aid, under the next administration. Things like this surely can be affected by how Indonesia responds to any concerns voiced in this respect. So, it is very much on topic.


Out of some 2200 people that died during that particular battle, 900 were Dutch and 250 of Indonesian-Dutch origin.

Judging from your attitude, you surely won't mind if ' we' take a piss on your war-memorials next time around in Indonesia then?

And/or no longer supply parts for your Dutch sourced navy ships.


The folks that attacked Pearl Harbor, I would think.

1. The reason behind your plan of cutting budget is because your economy is in a downfall, not due to the recent event... Our economic growth even higher than yours... Be real... We are much more richer than yours

2. If you take a piss at our war grave, the military police whom guarding the tomb will surely smack you in the head... Hehehe... Go ahead, give it a try

3. No more supply for our dutch sourced ships.... HAHAHA... Your shipyard came to us, and proposed us to buy ships from them.... And not the other way around... You need our money, dutchmen... And not the other way around...

4. Just wait dutchy... Until we struck a deal with the Dannish on our warship acquisition... It will be the same as in leopard acquisition... The dutchy playing hard to get, we bought it straight from the source, to the German... Later on the dutch is came in running towards the German, insisting that their leopard must be put inside the deal... Tipical dutchy...

5. YOU NEED OUR MONEY DUTCHY... AND NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND... Wake up...

 

[Jlaw]

Dutch still run indo economy. Few know this. Even Fewer indo know this. They are too busy protesting ,looting and praying

 

[NEKONEKO]

No it doesn't. It just takes respect for the dead. How do you treat your own war dead?

We treat our war dead as hero, build monument for them
But if it's not our war dead, well... nothing, and about their shipwreck .... nothing
Soekarno said "bangsa yang besar adalah bangsa yang menghormati jasa para pahlawannya" well yeah we pretty much honour our war dead hero.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

The Dutch government hasn't demanded anything, it started an investigation.

Our govt stance regarding this issue is clear, as stated in the article.

Indonesia refused to take the blame, for the disappearance of at least six British and Dutch World War II shipwrecks. Indonesian authorities have sought to distance themselves from the mystery, saying they could not be expected to protect the sites without assistance.

Bringing irrelevant issue such as aid out of its rightful context would reduce its meaning and even spark a little bit of antipathy. Just look at what Australia got by bringing aid issue when requesting clemency for Bali 9 ring leaders.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Indonesian Coast Guard seized 4 illegal foreign fishing boats from Philippines in Sulawesi sea (18/11)

Penguatan Operasi Nusantara VIII Bakamla RI kembali tangkap kapal ikan yang melakukan aktivitas illegal fishing di wilayah perairan Indonesia, kemarin malam.

Empat kapal ikan tanpa dilengkapi dokumen perizinan perikanan yang sah tertangkap tangan sedang mencuri ikan di Laut Sulawesi, oleh Kapal Pengawas (KP) Orca 03 milik Ditjen Pengawasan Sumber Daya Kelautan dan Perikanan – Kementerian Kelautan dan Perikanan (PSDKP-KKP), yang pada saat itu tergabung dalam Operasi Penguatan Nusantara VIII Bakamla RI.

Empat kapal ikan jenis Pam Boat yang diawaki oleh para ABK yang seluruhnya merupakan warga negara Filipina itu memiliki identitas sebagai berikut :

1. FBCA Juliet Jane, KII, Nakhoda Jolito Yata, ABK 7 WN Filipina di koordinat 06° 4’ 320” U – 126° 48’ 830“ T
2. FBCA Alventroy, KII, Nakhoda Gary O. Nayo, ABK 9 WN Filipina di koordinat 06° 00’ 291” U – 126° 52’ 329“ T
3. FBCA Elyza, KII, Nakhoda Rogelio V. Conialing, ABK 7 WN Filipina di koordinat 06° 00’ 291” U – 126° 52’ 329“ T
4. FBCA Ian Jane, KII, Nakhoda Arcel Mayo, ABK 3 WN Filipina di koordinat 06° 00’ 291” U – 126° 52’ 329“ T
   

http://transindonesia.co/2016/11/bakamla-tangkap-4-kapal-pencuri-ikan-asal-filipina/

 

[papacita]

The Dutch government hasn't demanded anything, it started an investigation. So, you are huffing and puffing about nothing, pre-emptively. Poor form. FYI per 2020 Indonesia may no longer received Dutch aid, under the next administration. Things like this surely can be affected by how Indonesia responds to any concerns voiced in this respect. So, it is very much on topic.

That's not our problem, but more like them. Perhaps that's Dutch government way to save money for something else? I know situation is difficult nowadays for EU including Netherlands. I say thanks for Dutch government, but if they stop it then it won't affect us at all. The number of development aid from Netherland is approx $65 million, we have GDP near $1 trillion and govt budget of $160 billion, $65 million more or less is not a problem.

And/or no longer supply parts for your Dutch sourced navy ships.

Not your decision. Also we aren't getting them for free so stop talking as if we beg for them, it's a business. They pull out, they'll lose money while we still can look for other options elsewhere. Don't be ridiculous.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

The number of development aid from Netherland is approx $65 million, we have GDP near $1 trillion and govt budget of $160 billion, $65 million more or less is not a problem.

Those aid packages are basically a form of courtesy. Indonesia also gives aid packages to other countries around the world. Not a big deal.