Indonesia Maritime defence and security issue

[Penguin]

ohh boy, i already quote it. read!

You refer to the offensive portion. And you are NOT the only poster here...

You're so cruel... View attachment 353323

It is not like you actively discouraged hostile posting.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Silly, trying to brought up integrity for own convenience reason.

Indonesian govt also have a lot more important matters that need to be attend to, instead of serving foreign interest. Not that we object to help if there were any request, but there weren't any requests. So any move or even statement that try to blame Indonesia will be addressed with strong objection.

 

[Nike]

better left it out. Much better to take care the real threat

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Indonesia Government Budget 1988-2016

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/indonesia/government-budget

Netherlands Government Budget 1995-2016

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/netherlands/government-budget

Sourpuss


So, you disrespect any Indonesians that fought the Japanese?


If $65 million more or less is not a problem, then why not spend it on some conservation?


All 6 of the Indonesian navy frigates (Ahmad Yabi class) are Dutch built. As are 7 of 10 corvettes (3 Fatahillah class and 4 Diponegoro class). So, that is 13 out of 16 of you major surface combattants (combat ships over 1000 tons) and all of your major surface combattants over 2000 tons). No delivery of spare parts would present a problem in terms of keeping these operational, I would think. Replacing these on short notice with other, equivalent ships (new or used) would be 'challenging'.

no need to take it to heart they just being salty. I agree completely that we should preserve important battle site like Java sea, but lets face it the current administration prefer to sink ships rather than preserving sunken ships.

 

[papacita]

no need to take it to heart they just being salty. I agree completely that we should preserve important battle site like Java sea, but lets face it the current administration prefer to sink ships rather than preserving sunken ships.

We can see who's being salty here

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Indonesian Marine & Fishery Patrol seized 10 illegal foreign fishing boats (from Vietnam, Philippines & Malaysia), 16-19 Nov 2016

Kapal Pengawas (KP) Perikanan Kementerian Kelautan dan Perikanan (KKP) kembali menangkap 10 kapal ikan asing (KIA) ilegal karena mencuri ikan di perairan Indonesia. 10 KIA ilegal tersebut ditangkap empat KP berbeda, yakni KP Orca 002, KP Orca 003, KP. HIU 007, dan KP Hiu 009.

"Penangkapan tanggal 16 November 2016 dilakukan oleh KP Orca 003 terhadap empat KIA berbendera Filipina Zona Ekonomi Ekslusif (ZEE) Indonesia Laut Sulawesi," Plt Dirjen Pengawasan Sumber Daya Kelautan dan Perikanan (PSDKP) Sjarief Widjaja dalam keterangan tertulis di Jakarta, Senin (21/11).

Dia mengatakan, KIA yang ditangkap menggunakan alat tangkap pancing tuna (hand line) dan diawaki 37 orang berkewarganegaraan Filipina. Adapun kapal yang diamankan yakni FB/CA. JULEI JANE, FB/CA. ELYZA , FB/CA. IAN JANE, dan FB/CA. ALVINTROY.

Sementara pada tanggal dan lokasi yang sama tegas dia, KP HIU 007 berhasil menangkap kapal FB/CA. JESSA, dan FB/CA. ROMEL. "Setelah itu, keenam kapal tersebut diserahkan ke Pangkalan PSDKP (Pengawasan Sumber Daya Kelautan dan Perikanan) Bitung," kata dia.

Kemudian pada 16 November 2016 sekitar pukul 08.14 WIB di perairan Natuna Kepulauan Riau, KP Orca 02 telah memeriksa dan menahan tiga kapal ikan asing dengan 26 orang berkewarganegaraan Vietnam. Kapal yang ditangkap yakni, BV 4667 TS, BV 0589 TS, dan BV 99688 TS. "Kapal-kapal tersebut dikawal ke Satker PSDKP Tarempa untuk proses hukum lebih lanjut," papar Sjarief.

Kemudian pada 19 Nopember 2016, KP Hiu 009 berhasil menangkap satu KIA berbendera Malaysia KM SLFA 4654 di perairan Selat Malaka. "Kapal itu lalu dikawal ke Pangkalan PSDKP Batam," kata Sjarief.

http://www.beritasatu.com/nasional/400345-kkp-tangkap-10-kapal-ikan-asing-ilegal.html

 

[NEKONEKO]

So, you disrespect any Indonesians that fought the Japanese?

No sir, yeah its true some of the war victim are indonesian but they serve in the colonialist power, and sure they attack another indonesian who pro independence, so for me personally they are not heroes, and afaik the goverment not make them as our national hero too. But, Im not disrepecting them, OK? And speaking about the battle in java sea It's like alien that fight another alien to gain territory and gain right's to enslave the native and exploit the resources.

and the indonesian who fought Japanese for indonesia independence? they are my...... HERO......



Yeah it's a shame that the shipwreck dissappear but once again, that's not indonesian gov fault's.
as @katarabhumi already posted:
“So if the shipwrecks are to be preserved, they [the Dutch] have to take the initiative. We help only in our capacity,” << nalarnya kan gini

 

[katarabhumi]

Regarding Battle of Java sea, both Japan and Dutch/Allied were oppressors and they didn't fight to liberate us. Japanese might be cruel toward us but the Dutch were no less, they even have longer time span looting, enslaving, massacring, r*ping, and what not.
In the end, after Japanese had been defeated, Indonesians were still have to fight with sweat and blood for independence.

Having said that, I agree that historical sites must be protected, however this is 21st century, do not act like colonial masters in 19th century -demand us things and order us around.

Dutch and UK can't blame us. If the site is so precious to them they should come notify us long time ago soon after it was found and together we can take preventive action to protect it.

It's not like we let the looting happened on purpose. Our security forces at sea is very limited.
No mean to disrespect but while they lost their historical wreckage, we lost millions of dollars every year because of illegal poaching.

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[katarabhumi]

Indonesia: Naval officers discuss law of war at sea

21 November 2016

With maritime and territorial disputes a feature of the Asia-Pacific region, the law of naval warfare is of particular relevance in this part of the world. A recent workshop in Surabaya, Indonesia, brought together naval officers from all across the region to spend five days discussing maritime security, focusing on the laws of armed conflict at sea.

The workshop involved 37 senior naval officers from Australia, Bangladesh, Cambodia, China, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, Fiji, Indonesia, Japan, Malaysia, the Maldives, Myanmar, New Zealand, Pakistan, the Philippines, the Republic of Korea, the Russian Federation, Singapore, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Timor-Leste, the United States of America and Vietnam.

Christoph Sutter, head of the ICRC's delegation for Indonesia and Timor-Leste, highlighted the dangers of clashes in waters crossed by the world's busiest maritime trade route. CC BY-NC-ND / ICRC / Mia Pitria

Amir Sjarifudin, deputy head of the Indonesian Navy, opened the workshop, with Christoph Sutter and Tri Rismaharini, the mayor of Surabaya. CC BY-NC-ND / ICRC / Mia Pitria

The sessions were facilitated by military experts from Indonesia, England and Australia, together with ICRC specialists on the armed forces and the law of the sea. CC BY-NC-ND / ICRC / Mia Pitria

The five-day workshop was an opportunity for the region's navies to share ideas and discuss cooperation. CC BY-NC-ND / ICRC / Mia Pitria

A participant presents his work to officers from several of the region's navies during the workshop, which covered not only naval warfare but also anti-piracy operations, rescue and the movement of people at sea. CC BY-NC-ND / ICRC / Mia Pitria


https://www.icrc.org/en/document/indonesia-naval-law-war-sea-maritime

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@pr1v4t33r , berita2 tentang AL, kapal militer, dsb dialihkan kesini ato gimana?

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[pr1v4t33r]

@katarabhumi , berita2 tentang penegakkan hukum di laut dari semua instansi, AL, polisi air, bakamla, kkp, hubla, bea cukai, dll... Berita2 tentang implementasi Poros Maritim. Terus berita yang nggak masuk di threat Indonesian military dan berkaitan sama maritim bisa dimasukin kesini.

 

[afiq0110]

@katarabhumi , berita2 tentang penegakkan hukum di laut dari semua instansi, AL, polisi air, bakamla, kkp, hubla, bea cukai, dll... Berita2 tentang implementasi Poros Maritim. Terus berita yang nggak masuk di threat Indonesian military dan berkaitan sama maritim bisa dimasukin kesini.

@ Om Pr1v4t33r...

Minister Susi was once proposed to build a command ship, there were also a post about those gigantic ship...

Was it really been turned down by the house of representative ?... Is there any alternative option ?...

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Chinese, Indonesian coast guard authorities meet for cooperation

BEIJING, Nov. 22 (Xinhua) -- China's coast guard chief, Meng Hongwei, met with his Indonesian counterpart, Ari Soedewo, on Tuesday in Beijing to exchange views on law enforcement cooperation.

This was the first work meeting between the maritime law enforcement authorities.

According to a summary of minutes of the meeting, the two sides stressed the importance of strengthening cooperation on issues involving common interests, highlighting high-level meetings, personnel training, visits of vessels and capability building.

The two sides also spoke about enhancing trust, confidence and coordination so they could appropriately and effectively respond to and handle maritime security challenges, according to the summary.

The two sides agreed it is necessary to deepen maritime cooperation through participation in relevant international and regional mechanisms.

Consensus was also reached on such aspects of cooperation as strengthened exchange of information and contact, and joint drills.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-11/22/c_135850183.htm

 

[katarabhumi]

BNPP introduce KN SAR Bhisma 239

• The 40 m aluminum ship was made by PT. Karimun Anugerah Sejati shipyard.

• Ship is equipped with Hydrograph Survey system, side Scan Sonar, and ROV (Remotely Operated Vehicle).

http://www.basarnas.go.id/artikel/181116-badan-sar-nasional-luncurkan-kapal-kn-sar-bhisma

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[pr1v4t33r]

Indonesia agrees to help solve mystery of missing shipwrecks

Jakarta (AFP) - Indonesia has agreed to work with the Netherlands to investigate the mysterious disappearance of several World War II shipwrecks -- considered war graves -- from the bottom of the Java Sea, the Dutch prime minister said Wednesday.

Netherland's Prime Minister Mark Rutte chats to to Indonesian President Joko Widodo at the presidential palace in Jakarta on November 23, 2016 (AFP Photo/Adek Berry)


The recent discovery that at least six Dutch and British warships sunk in 1942 had disappeared from the seabed caused shock and dismay in Europe, and demands for answers.

Investigators believe the military wrecks -- lost during the Battle of the Java Sea -- were removed by illegal scavengers looking for scrap metal, an effort that could have taken years.

More than 900 Dutch and 250 Indo-Dutch sailors died during the battle in which the Allied navies suffered a disastrous defeat by the Imperial Japanese Navy.

Indonesia initially refused to take the blame for the missing ships, saying it had not been asked to protect the wrecks and therefore was not responsible for them.

But Jakarta has since agreed to cooperate with former colonial ruler The Netherlands in getting to the bottom of the mystery, Prime Minister Mark Rutte said following a meeting with Indonesian President Joko Widodo.

"I would also like to thank Indonesia for its offer to cooperate after we learnt about the sad news on the shipwrecks," Rutte told reporters at the state palace.

"We'll work together to find clarity of what happened and we will coordinate in the future."

Salvaging operations are rife throughout Indonesia, varying from large commercial operations using cranes and platforms to smaller ventures shipping scrap to dealers along Indonesia's thousands of kilometres of coastline.

Experts say it could have taken small-time scavengers years to pull apart the wrecks piece by piece, with crews using crude diving apparatus to search for valuable parts like the huge bronze propellers.

- Cracking the case -

Indonesia struggles to police its sprawling archipelago of more than 17,000 islands. Its vast waters are a hotspot for other criminal activity including people smuggling and illegal fishing.

Amateur divers discovered the long-lost wrecks of three Dutch warships in 2002, 60 years after they were sunk in the major naval clash with Japanese forces.

But an international expedition that sailed to the wreck site ahead of next year's 75th anniversary of the battle was shocked to discover the wrecks and others had gone.

Indonesia's foreign ministry spokesman Arrmanatha Nasir said there had been "a political commitment at the highest level" to crack the case and protect future sites.

"Any antiquities disappearing from Indonesia is a concern to us all," he said, adding technical details such as who would lead the investigation would be settled soon.

Australia has been working closely with Indonesia to protect HMAS Perth -- which sunk off Java in World War II, claiming hundreds of lives -- after discovering in 2013 that the warship was being plundered for brass.

But such an arrangement did not exist between Indonesia and the Netherlands or Britain, Nasir said.

Britain has expressed distress at the disappearance of its own three warships and asked Indonesia to "take appropriate action" to protect the sites from further disturbance.

Naval warships and war graves are protected under international law that makes the desecration of such shipwrecks illegal.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/indonesia-agrees-help-solve-mystery-missing-shipwrecks-082321705.html

 

[pr1v4t33r]

BRI (People's Bank of Indonesia) launched a banking vessel to cater the need for banking access on remote islands in Indonesia. She is a Banking Hall and Certified by BV-Classification, 2nd unit of this kind owned by BRI. Constructed by PT. Patria Maritim Perkasa - Batam, successfully launched on 09-November-2016.