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As I expected, you have nothing to say. We can all see Hamas ground forces fending off Israeli ground invasion in the video, in full military uniform/gear, contrary to BS lies you try spreading.

Keep denying buddy :enjoy:

Where is your answer for my question? ;)

This is not from UN, it is copy of script of Israeli ambassador speech at UN Security Council in 2014. You should read the content of links you post before posting.

The letter was accepted by UN. You read by yourself here:

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UNRWA confirmed and condemned the placing of weapons in UNRWA schools. So now you want to claim UNRWA is pro Israel? :laugh:
 

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Keep denying buddy :enjoy:

Where is your answer for my question? ;)



The letter was accepted by UN. You read by yourself here:

Once again, you can't even understand your own links. It is letter/speech of Israeli Ambassador at UN Security Council.


Hamas fires deadly rockets targeting Israeli civilians,using Palestinians as human shields – Letter from Israel


(Signed) Ron Prosor
Ambassador
Permanent Representative

Ron Prosor:

Ambassador Prof. Ron Prosor is the head of the Abba Eban Institute of International Diplomacy at the Interdisciplinary Center Herzliya (IDC). Prior to joining the IDC, Prosor served as Israel’s 16th Permanent Representative to the United Nations from 2011 - 2015.

 
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Nope, you are embarrassing yourself. Making stupid unsubstantiated accusations against Hamas, and posting links of things you don't even understand. You just posted link of Israeli Ambassador speech at UN Security Council and tried to pass it off as some UN investigation into Gaza conflict. You try accusing Hamas of dressing in civilian gear, and two pieces of real combat footage in 2014 proved otherwise.

Also you posted stuff from pro-Israel blog and tried to link to UN website with broken link. Try harder my friend.


Stop dodging and denial, if you cant bring any evidence supporting your accusation. You are lying here.

I ask you again: if NY Post twisting UN Report, why UN did not complain/condemn NY Post? What is your answer.?

Once again, you can't even understand your own links. It is letter/speech of Israeli Ambassador at UN Security Council.


Hamas fires deadly rockets targeting Israeli civilians,using Palestinians as human shields – Letter from Israel


(Signed) Ron Prosor
Ambassador
Permanent Representative

Ron Prosor:

Ambassador Prof. Ron Prosor is the head of the Abba Eban Institute of International Diplomacy at the Interdisciplinary Center Herzliya (IDC). Prior to joining the IDC, Prosor served as Israel’s 16th Permanent Representative to the United Nations from 2011 - 2015.



Doesnt mean there is no UN Report saying so, as reported by NY Post.

Why are you ignoring this?

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Isnt it clear UNRWA confirmed what IDF accuse? LOL. And it is from UN Report ;) :enjoy:
 

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It's not true and your accusation was from 2014. It was a storage facility for Palestinian soldiers. And UNRWA wanted to convert it into shelter to move displaced refugees into them without consulting with Hamas security services who is responsible for vacating buildings and approving them for shelter use. Only naive people take such accusations seriously.

And if having underground bases is use of human shield, than you accuse IDF of using whole of Tel Aviv as Human shields:

"This room is the nerve center of a bunker dubbed the “Fortress of Zion,” a new Israeli Army command post deep underground beneath its headquarters in the heart of Tel Aviv. It is designed to command the kind of high-tech air wars that have supplanted ground invasions fought by tanks and infantry battalions."


Do you acknowledge this is military target? Yes or no? If so, you admit it is use of human shields by your understanding.
Stop dodging and denial, if you cant bring any evidence supporting your accusation. You are lying here.

I am not making any accusations, dummy, I am refuting yours.
 
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If you dont know what UNRWA is:

The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) is a relief and human development agency

It is not NGO pro Israel ;)
It's not true and your accusation was from 2014. It was a storage facility for Palestinian soldiers. And UNRWA wanted to convert it into shelter to move displaced refugees into them without consulting with Hamas security services who is responsible for vacating buildings and approving them for shelter use. Only naive people take such accusations seriously.

And if having underground bases is use of human shield, than you accuse IDF of using whole of Tel Aviv as Human shields:

"This room is the nerve center of a bunker dubbed the “Fortress of Zion,” a new Israeli Army command post deep underground beneath its headquarters in the heart of Tel Aviv. It is designed to command the kind of high-tech air wars that have supplanted ground invasions fought by tanks and infantry battalions."


Do you acknowledge this is military target? Yes or no? If so, you admit it is use of human shields by your understanding.


I am not making any accusations, dummy, I am refuting yours.


You deny saying it is not true, but UNRWA has confirmed that ;)

Read again please :

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Here is another massive underground facilities for IDF, which is based in Tel Aviv, placed beneath Israeli skyscrapers in Tel Aviv. By @antonius123 logic, IDF is using Tel Aviv residents as human shields:

The U.S. will oversee the construction of a secret underground facility for the Israel Defense Forces, named 'Site 911,' the Washington Post reported on Wednesday.

 
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I am not making any accusations, dummy, I am refuting yours.


LOL. How delusional you are. :laugh:

You've accused NY Post twisting UN Report ... while you can't prove it, and neither can't answer my question questioning your logic, still you denial your accusation by saying you are not making any accusation.

What a delusional denial. ;) :rofl:

Here is another massive underground facilities for IDF, which is based in Tel Aviv, placed beneath Israeli skyscrapers in Tel Aviv. By @antonius123 logic, IDF is using Tel Aviv residents as human shields:

The U.S. will oversee the construction of a secret underground facility for the Israel Defense Forces, named 'Site 911,' the Washington Post reported on Wednesday.



Did Israel launch rocket/attack from that facility?

LOL. what a logic of you :laugh:
 
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Once again, you and UNRWA do not know what you are talking about. UNRWA officials just got recalled for making false accusations:


This is real story of what happened, which UNRWA falsely claiming it is a school for them. It was not and never was. They tried to convert it into shelter in middle of ground invasion. And made false accusation in media:

It's not true and your accusation was from 2014. It was a storage facility for Palestinian soldiers. And UNRWA wanted to convert it into shelter to move displaced refugees into them without consulting with Hamas security services who is responsible for vacating buildings and approving them for shelter use. Only naive people take such accusations seriously.
LOL. How delusional you are. :laugh:

You've accused NY Post twisting UN Report ... while you can't prove it, and neither can't answer my question questioning your logic, still you denial your accusation by saying you are not making accusation.

What a denial. ;)



Did Israel launch rocket/attack from that facility?

LOL. what a logic of you :laugh:

How ironic of you to engage in ad hominem after accusing other member of doing so. I already embarrassed you five times in a row:

1.) You use NyPost article which is New York Jewish based press that did not quote anything specific from UN reports. And is from 2014, not May 2021 conflict.

2.) You post UNWatch blog with tweets from few journalists claiming they saw Hamas soldiers wearing female clothing, which is a lie and debunked by real footage of ground combat by Hamas soldiers.

3.) You claim UNWatch blog is not pro-Israel blog. Which is another lie, it is pro-Israel blog by pro-Israel Jewish American founders that is anti-UN.

4.) You tried to pass off Israeli ambassador letter/speech at UN security council as official UN investigation.

5.) You try to deflect blame from IDF pertaining to civilian casualties in Gaza. Even though all UN and human rights organizations accuse Israel of deliberate form of collective punishment targeting homes of Hamas members when they aren't there.

You still didn't tell us, it is lawful for Hamas to target homes of IDF soldiers family and wipe them out? And you still did not answer us, do Israeli underground facilities, airbases, and runways under Tel Aviv residents/skyscrapers count as using human shields or no? You are nothing more than hypocrite with double standard who just want to come off as smart guy.
 
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Once again, you and UNRWA do not know what you are talking about. UNRWA officials just got recalled for making false accusations:


This is real story of what happened, which UNRWA falsely claiming it is a school for them. It was not and never was. They tried to convert it into shelter in middle of ground invasion. And made false accusation in media:

LOL. One UNRWA officiel got fired/recalled because of false accusation doesnt mean all UNRWA statements are false.

Again.. what a logic from a liar.

It's not true and your accusation was from 2014. It was a storage facility for Palestinian soldiers. And UNRWA wanted to convert it into shelter to move displaced refugees into them without consulting with Hamas security services who is responsible for vacating buildings and approving them for shelter use. Only naive people take such accusations seriously.

Again .. you are ignoring and denial.

UNHC Report no 31, page 10

Actions by Palestinian armed groups also raise serious concerns, as set out below, including regarding targeting decisions; indiscriminate attacks; respect for distinction and proportionality; locating military objects in civilian buildings; launching rockets from densely populated areas; and execution of suspected collaborators
. The IDF has accused Palestinian armed groups of: locating tunnels used for military purposes under civilian objects; using hospitals and ambulances for military purposes; using civilians as human shields. UNRWA confirmed and condemned the placing of weapons in UNRWA schools in breach of the inviolability of United Nations premises.

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So NY Post is not twisting UN Report as you accused, right? :enjoy: :laugh:


How ironic of you to engage in ad hominem after accusing other member of doing so. I already embarrassed you five times in a row:

1.) You use NyPost article which is New York Jewish based press that did not quote anything specific from UN reports. And is from 2014, not May 2021 conflict.

2.) You post UNWatch blog with tweets from few journalists claiming they saw Hamas soldiers wearing female clothing, which is a lie and debunked by real footage of ground combat by Hamas soldiers.

3.) You claim UNWatch blog is not pro-Israel blog. Which is another lie, it is pro-Israel blog by pro-Israel Jewish American founders that is anti-UN.

4.) You tried to pass off Israeli ambassador letter/speech at UN security council as official UN investigation.

5.) You try to deflect blame from IDF pertaining to civilian casualties in Gaza. Even though all UN and human rights organizations accuse Israel of deliberate form of collective punishment targeting homes of Hamas members when they aren't there.

LOL. Keep delusional buddy ... I have been debunking your lies :enjoy:

You still didn't tell us, it is lawful for Hamas to target homes of IDF soldiers family and wipe them out? And you still did not answer us, do Israeli underground facilities, airbases, and runways under Tel Aviv residents/skyscrapers count as using human shields or no? You are nothing more than hypocrite with double standard who just want to come off as smart guy.

LOL. Read again my post #187 above. Your ignorance is your fault, not mine :)

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What is your answer?
 

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You are spamming/repeating same accusations from 2014, and still cannot deflect blame off Israeli army for civilian casualties in Gaza. Here is video in 2014 ground invasion of eastern Gaza, and the so called precise strikes and moral army of yours. They are absolutely not trying to murder and terrorize anyone here:


Carpet bombing whole neighborhood and @antonius123 wants to say they aren't intending to hurt civilians:
 
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You are spamming/repeating same accusations from 2014, and still cannot deflect blame off Israeli army for civilian casualties in Gaza. Here is video in 2014 ground invasion of eastern Gaza, and the so called precise strikes and moral army of yours. They are absolutely not trying to murder and terrorize anyone here:


Carpet bombing whole neighborhood and @antonius123 wants to say they aren't intending to hurt civilians:


Why keep lying? It is based on UN Report! and NY Post is right regarding the UN Report about Hamas human shield, you are lying :)

UNHC Report no 31, page 10.

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LOL. All you can do is just failed accusations and pallywoods. What I have done is bringging FACTs, including from UN Report.
 

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Even US Secretary of State implicated them in targeting civilians:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Secretary of State John Kerry was overheard on Sunday expressing what appeared to be pointed concern over the deaths of civilians during an Israeli offensive in Gaza.

In a conversation caught on an open microphone before an interview, Kerry made what seemed to be a sarcastic remark about Israel’s insistence it was doing its utmost to avoid civilian casualties in operations against Hamas militants.

“It’s a hell of a pinpoint operation. It’s a hell of a pinpoint operation,” he said during the call, which was broadcast on “Fox News Sunday.”
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Firing 45,000 unguided artillery shells in 2 weeks of ground invasion causes no civilian casualties nor is war crimes according to @antonius123 :

In the massive artillery bombardment of the Gaza Strip in Operation Protective Edge, the Israel Defense Forces fired 30,000 shells, many of them into densely populated areas. That, according to figures issued by the army on July 29, after three weeks of fighting.

Artillery fire was used to extract combatants was used on several occasions. Military sources admit that since artillery fire is inaccurate, large numbers of Palestinian civilians may have been killed in these incidents.
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Even US Secretary of State implicated them in targeting civilians:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Secretary of State John Kerry was overheard on Sunday expressing what appeared to be pointed concern over the deaths of civilians during an Israeli offensive in Gaza.

In a conversation caught on an open microphone before an interview, Kerry made what seemed to be a sarcastic remark about Israel’s insistence it was doing its utmost to avoid civilian casualties in operations against Hamas militants.

“It’s a hell of a pinpoint operation. It’s a hell of a pinpoint operation,” he said during the call, which was broadcast on “Fox News Sunday.”
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Firing 45,000 unguided artillery shells in 2 weeks of ground invasion causes no civilian casualties nor is war crimes according to @antonius123 :

In the massive artillery bombardment of the Gaza Strip in Operation Protective Edge, the Israel Defense Forces fired 30,000 shells, many of them into densely populated areas. That, according to figures issued by the army on July 29, after three weeks of fighting.

Artillery fire was used to extract combatants was used on several occasions. Military sources admit that since artillery fire is inaccurate, large numbers of Palestinian civilians may have been killed in these incidents.
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Yes, because Hamas is using human shield, hiding in civilian facilities.

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LOL. All you can do is just failed accusations and pallywoods. What I have done is bringging FACTs, including from UN Report.

@Respect4Respect01

This guy says real footage of Israeli bombardment, human rights organizations reports, reports by Israeli media itself and IDF statements, and statements from US officials is 'pallywood' propaganda. He is either a troll or false flagger. Or some misguided kid with hate in his heart. Unfortunately, lots of misguided Muslim kids out there who think of themselves as Jewish or feel need to submit to them with their hearts. Like kids in UAE and so forth. There is no point in wasting time with him. He has some mental illness issues.
Yes, because Hamas is using human shield, hiding in civilian facilities.

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You are dumb and hateful kid that doesn't understand anything. Firing 50,000 shells in two cities on border is not targeting anything military, it's meant to raze cities to ground to pave way for entry of ground forces without any pushback. Gaza is a city in itself and they defend their city, in their city, genius. Would be same for IDF if they had to deal with ground invasion into Tel Aviv. They will be fighting from Tel Aviv city. You have mental health condition that needs to be checked.

If you are trolling you need to get a life and troll something else instead of real issues. You will be punished by God for trolling sensitive issues and blood of Muslims.
 
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Here is another piece of Amnesty International highlighting Israeli deliberate targeting of civilians and deliberate war crimes. If you say 'because of Hamas', I'm getting mods to thread ban you and give you warning. You can say both sides commit war crimes or target civilians, but you cannot troll and get away with cheerleading for IDF and denying all kinds of evidence, reports, statements from US officials and so on, and dismiss as 'pallywood' to protect your weak ego. This is trolling and denying of facts/evidence and should not be tolerated.
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"In Rafah, the southernmost city in the Gaza Strip, a group of Israeli soldiers patrolling an agricultural area west of the border encountered a group of Hamas fighters posted there. A fire fight ensued, resulting in the death of two Israeli soldiers and one Palestinian fighter. The Hamas fighters captured an Israeli officer, Lieutenant Hadar Goldin, and took him into a tunnel. What followed became one of the deadliest episodes of the war; an intensive use of firepower by Israel, which lasted four days and killed scores of civilians (reports range from at least 135 to over 200), injured many more and destroyed or damaged hundreds of homes and other civilian structures, mostly on 1 August.


In this report, Amnesty International and Forensic Architecture, a research team based at Goldsmiths, University of London, provide a detailed reconstruction of the events in Rafah from 1 August until 4 August 2014, when a ceasefire came into effect. The report examines the Israeli army’s response to the capture of Lieutenant Hadar Goldin and its implementation of the Hannibal Directive – a controversial command designed to deal with captures of soldiers by unleashing massive firepower on persons, vehicles and buildings in the vicinity of the attack, despite the risk to civilians and the captured soldier(s).

The report recounts events by connecting various forms of information including: testimonies from victims and witnesses including medics, journalists, and human rights defenders in Rafah; reports by human rights and other organizations; news and media feeds, public statements and other information from Israeli and Palestinian official sources; and videos and photographs collected on the ground and from the media.

Amnesty International and Forensic Architecture worked with a number of field researchers and photographers who documented sites where incidents took place using protocols for forensic photography. Forensic Architecture located elements of witness testimonies in space and time and plotted the movement of witnesses through a three-dimensional model of urban spaces. It also modelled and animated the testimony of several witnesses, combining spatial information obtained from separate testimonies and other sources in order to reconstruct incidents. Three satellite images of the area, dated 30 July, 1 August and 14 August, were obtained and analysed in detail; the image of 1 August reveals a rare overview of a moment within the conflict. Forensic Architecture also retrieved a large amount of audiovisual material on social media and employed digital maps and models to locate evidence such as oral description, photography, video and satellite imagery in space and time. When audiovisual material from social media came with inadequate metadata, Forensic Architecture used time indicators in the image, such as shadow and smoke plumes analysis, to locate sources in space and time.

An Israeli infantry officer described to Israeli NGO Breaking the Silence the events that ensued after the Hannibal Directive was announced on the radio:

“The minute ‘Hannibal Directive’ is declared on the radio, there are consequences. There’s a fire procedure called the ‘Hannibal fire procedure’ – you fire at every suspicious place that merges with a central route. You don’t spare any means.” - Israeli army Infantry Officer

He reported that the initial burst of fire lasted three hours. An artillery soldier said his battery was “firing at a maximum fire rate” right into inhabited areas. According to the report of an Israeli military inquiry, more than 2,000 bombs, missiles and shells were fired in Rafah during 1 August, including 1,000 in the three hours following the capture.

The pounding of Rafah continued for three days after the initial strikes of 1 August, even after Lieutenant Goldin was declared dead by an Israeli rabbinical court and buried on 2 August.

There is overwhelming evidence that Israeli forces committed disproportionate, or otherwise indiscriminate, attacks which killed scores of civilians in their homes, on the streets and in vehicles and injured many more. This includes repeatedly firing artillery and other imprecise explosive weapons in densely populated civilian areas during the attacks on Rafah between 1 and 4 August. In some cases, there are indications that they directly fired at and killed civilians, including people fleeing.

Public statements by Israeli army commanders and soldiers after the conflict provide compelling reasons to conclude that some attacks that killed civilians and destroyed homes and property were intentionally carried out and motivated by a desire for revenge – to teach a lesson to, or punish, the population of Rafah for the capture of Lieutenant Goldin."
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