Indonesia Defence Forum

[Nike]

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if kornas project really get evaluated again , i hope someone threw a paper about INS Magen on mindef table , do you guys think a full fledge wide area heavy air defense corvette like this is suitable for indonesia ? 32-40 VLS of barak 8 missile , this thing could become something problematic for the whole mediterranean and levantine coast airspace .

Thats not how big times Maritime power play with their Navy, only limited coastal Navy doing that. Major Navy power like Japan, UK, India trying to spread their firepower regarding the use and conop the vessels will do. They will build AAW destroyer, ASW Frigates and OPV/light frigate suit their roles. Or just like US NAVY, All Destroyer and Cruiser forces plus frigates like vessels. Indonesia should emulated them

 

[Chaplin009x]

You totally forget peace bima sena project aren't you? Just take an example from that and what US gave us from that procurement, simple as that while I'm still questioning (till now) where's the transfer of technology that Russia promised to us on BMP-3F procurement.

information about peace bima sena 1 and 2 are widely available in open source. What do you mean? I'm asking the offset of f 35, if you still don't know why don't you find out? are you american? if you are indonesian i am also indonesian as you are, if you ask bmp 3, i ask what is the ToT from purchasing apache? I do not understand this is really ridiculous and weird.

 

[NEKONEKO]

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if kornas project really get evaluated again , i hope someone threw a paper about INS Magen on mindef table , do you guys think a full fledge wide area heavy air defense corvette like this is suitable for indonesia ? 32-40 VLS of barak 8 missile , this thing could become something problematic for the whole mediterranean and levantine coast airspace .

I am more into corvette with modest air defence capabilities, enough to defend themself. Something like 2x4 MBDA tetral or RAM is enough. Just like our Diponegoro Class, we should have many of this ship and have the ASW version too, remove the Ashm and add hangar and variable depth sonar.
We need lots of them, multirole and asw version of Diponegoro Class and each have enough air defence to protect themself while performing their missions (patrol, hunting submarines, etc), without the need to have medium range air defence capability to protect other vessels.
While our light frigate and frigate should have the capability to escort other vessels or convoy.

Korvet kelass Doha, lebih berasa dibanding PKR kita, dompet sultan mereka. Mending punya banyak korvet kelas Diponegoro yang lebih murah.

Millenium gun kan juga bisa disetir manual seperti rws.

 

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Prabowo Minta TNI Siapkan Pesawat ke China Ambil Alkes Corona
CNN Indonesia | Kamis, 19/03/2020 18:27 WIB

Menteri Pertahanan Prabowo Subianto meminta Panglima TNI menyiapkan pesawat untuk mengambil alat kesehatan dari China (CNN Indonesia/Hesti Rika)

Jakarta, CNN Indonesia -- Menteri Pertahanan Prabowo Subianto meminta Panglima TNI Marsekal Hadi Tjahjanto menyediakan pesawat TNI untuk mengambil alat kesehatan di Shanghai, China. Alat-alat kesehatan bakal digunakan di Indonesia guna menanggulangi virus corona (Covid-19).

Permintaan Prabowo dituangkan dalam Surat Menteri Pertahanan bernomor B/667/M/III/2020 yang ditujukan langsung kepada Panglima TNI.

"Mohon Panglima TNI dapat memberikan dukungan pesawat terbang dalam rangka pengambilan alat kesehatan yang berada di Shanghai, Republik Rakyat Tiongkok," bunyi surat yang diterima CNNIndonesia.com dan ditanda-tangani langsung oleh Prabowo.

Dalam surat itu dijelaskan beberapa alat kesehatan yang ingin diambil dari China. Di antaranya, disposable Mask, N95 mask, protective clothing, goggles, gloves, shoe covers, infrared thermometer dan surgical caps.

Alat-alat tersebut akan digunakan oleh Tim Medis Kementerian Pertahanan dan TNI guna pencegahan dan penanggulangan penyebaran virus corona.

Saat dikonfirmasi, Staf Khusus Menteri Pertahanan Bidang Komunikasi Publik dan Hubungan Antar Lembaga, Dahnil Anzar Simanjuntak mengatakan pesawat yang diminta oleh Prabowo itu rencananya akan berangkat dalam 1-2 hari mendatang.

"Satu dua hari ini (berangkat)," kata Dahnil.

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my guess, they will lock-down anytime soon

 

[V3NOM12]

Prabowo Minta TNI Siapkan Pesawat ke China Ambil Alkes Corona
CNN Indonesia | Kamis, 19/03/2020 18:27 WIB

Menteri Pertahanan Prabowo Subianto meminta Panglima TNI menyiapkan pesawat untuk mengambil alat kesehatan dari China (CNN Indonesia/Hesti Rika)

Jakarta, CNN Indonesia -- Menteri Pertahanan Prabowo Subianto meminta Panglima TNI Marsekal Hadi Tjahjanto menyediakan pesawat TNI untuk mengambil alat kesehatan di Shanghai, China. Alat-alat kesehatan bakal digunakan di Indonesia guna menanggulangi virus corona (Covid-19).

Permintaan Prabowo dituangkan dalam Surat Menteri Pertahanan bernomor B/667/M/III/2020 yang ditujukan langsung kepada Panglima TNI.

"Mohon Panglima TNI dapat memberikan dukungan pesawat terbang dalam rangka pengambilan alat kesehatan yang berada di Shanghai, Republik Rakyat Tiongkok," bunyi surat yang diterima CNNIndonesia.com dan ditanda-tangani langsung oleh Prabowo.

Dalam surat itu dijelaskan beberapa alat kesehatan yang ingin diambil dari China. Di antaranya, disposable Mask, N95 mask, protective clothing, goggles, gloves, shoe covers, infrared thermometer dan surgical caps.

Alat-alat tersebut akan digunakan oleh Tim Medis Kementerian Pertahanan dan TNI guna pencegahan dan penanggulangan penyebaran virus corona.

Saat dikonfirmasi, Staf Khusus Menteri Pertahanan Bidang Komunikasi Publik dan Hubungan Antar Lembaga, Dahnil Anzar Simanjuntak mengatakan pesawat yang diminta oleh Prabowo itu rencananya akan berangkat dalam 1-2 hari mendatang.

"Satu dua hari ini (berangkat)," kata Dahnil.

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my guess, they will lock-down anytime soon

Its a pity if we (Indonesia) still can not produce such as surgical mask, N-95 mask, disposable gown, shoe cover or gloves. I think it's not difficult for us to produce all of that.

 

[Kansel]

With current condition happening around the world. Can we still expect oncoming Procurement contract on April/May? Or will it be postponed?

 

[Raduga]

i know this sounds like ooga booga lowkey conspiracy , but considering the Leading Biotechnology company for creating Covid-19 Vaccine , the Moderna technology , are funded by US DARPA , why dont our ministry of defense also look into the other perspective of bio warfare and have similiar govt owned or funded biotech/bioengineering/mRNA&RNA engineering company , lets say if the scenario of covid-19 is a bioweapon were true , we could already see how massive the impact of that kind of weapon had , thus having this kind of company and integrate it with more zeni nubika battalion ,if something bad like this happened , it could minimalize the damage output from outbreak such as this matter.
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well , there's still so much thing that need to be sorted out in our administration anyway , i really hope our govt will do more public hearing to more of our younger generation .

 

[Indos]

Its a pity if we (Indonesia) still can not produce such as surgical mask, N-95 mask, disposable gown, shoe cover or gloves. I think it's not difficult for us to produce all of that.

We can produce it but China can produce in much lower price so our industry dont have much incentive to produce it and the ones who have already produced it stop producing just like many of our textile companies who are out compete by Chinese textile due to Asean-China FTA.

We have big producer of surgical and N 95 mask but the raw material is still from China and China stop supplying them after the outbreak happen. It is the same state owned company who order 900.000 Covid 19 test kit from China. Other producers can produce just like the one owned by Surabaya local government but not in a big volume.

This is a lesson that we should get about the importance of self sufficient in many important products, including defense equipment. Long term road map should be made with the goal to have self sufficient in many important products for difficult and high tech products. Some have already tried to do that just like our state own drug producer (Kimia Farma/Biofarma) who have a target to be self sufficient in drug raw material.

 

[Kansel]

According to his statement
•He ordered Pal to build 2 heavy frigate originated from denmark and now are in progress.
•the frigate cost around US$ 720 million for 2 of it
•he says 5 years and a half the project will be finished.

 

[mandala]

According to his statement
•He ordered Pal to build 2 heavy frigate originated from denmark and now are in progress.
•the frigate cost around US$ 720 million for 2 of it
•he says 5 years and a half the project will be finished.

Good news. Want to ask according to the timeline will PT PAL construct the 2 frigates simultaneously or one by one? How long normally a frigate is build?

 

[Kansel]

Good news. Want to ask according to the timeline will PT PAL construct the 2 frigates simultaneously or one by one? How long normally a frigate is build?

I think it will be one by one like PKR programme

Looking at Danish itself,the first ship (F361) laid down in June 2008, launched in March 2010 and commisioned January 2011, while the second ship (F362) laid down in March 2009, launched in December 2010, and commisioned in June 2011

I think what makes us longer because there's full transfer of technology and i heard there's such redesign for our iver variant, will it be elongated? We'll see later for that.

 

[mandala]

I think it will be one by one like PKR programme

Looking at Danish itself,the first ship (F361) laid down in June 2008, launched in March 2010 and commisioned January 2011, while the second ship (F362) laid down in March 2009, launched in December 2010, and commisioned in June 2011

I think what makes us longer because there's full transfer of technology and i heard there's such redesign for our iver variant, will it be elongated? We'll see later for that.

Yes i was guessing the same the 2 frigates will be built one by one hence the 5 1/2 years timeline.

 

[Bungaterakhir]

Its a pity if we (Indonesia) still can not produce such as surgical mask, N-95 mask, disposable gown, shoe cover or gloves. I think it's not difficult for us to produce all of that.

idk if you read the news before that during wuhan early day covid19 burst, china order N-95 mask and other type of mask from our country for the next 3 month started in january 2020. I read some news that 95% our medical tool & health industry is imported. what i didn't see in most of our city is "panic buying" like some of our neighbour countries which is good for us.

 

[Chestnut]

information about peace bima sena 1 and 2 are widely available in open source. What do you mean? I'm asking the offset of f 35, if you still don't know why don't you find out? are you american? if you are indonesian i am also indonesian as you are, if you ask bmp 3, i ask what is the ToT from purchasing apache? I do not understand this is really ridiculous and weird.

The allowed PTDI and GMF AeroAsia to conduct MRO maintenance on them, something that can't be said for any of our Russian bought arms.

Its a pity if we (Indonesia) still can not produce such as surgical mask, N-95 mask, disposable gown, shoe cover or gloves. I think it's not difficult for us to produce all of that.

We do produce them, in fact it's why the WHO considers us better prepared to deal with the crisis than Singapore or Philippines. Our decentralized government structure and local consumption heavy/export heavy economy makes containing outbreaks relatively easier than our neighbors. The problem is because the government refuses to give out grants to local companies in order to amp up production (honestly they just don't want competition for BUMN, which is in my opinion a retarded idea)

What they're buying from China is electronic medical equipment, things such as test kits (tho arguably we can produce them, but again the government just doesn't want to give grants to local private companies), scanning machines, etc.

 

[NEKONEKO]

Update: Indonesia points to F-35 ambitions

Indonesia’s Deputy Defence Minister Sakti Wahyu Trenggono has indicated that Jakarta may look to Lockheed Martin’s F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter to meet the next-generation combat requirements of the Indonesian Air Force (Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Udara: TNI-AU).

In comments to the news channel CNN Indonesia on 18 March, Trenggono said that Indonesia had not terminated the TNI-AU’s planned acquisition of Sukhoi Su-35 ‘Flanker-E’ multirole combat aircraft from Russia even if that procurement programme faced challenges.

“We can’t buy [the Su-35s] yet because there are some obstacles,” he said, without elaborating.

Trenggono said that, given these obstacles, Indonesia is now also considering a bid for the F-35 through a government-to-government arrangement with the United States. “We are exploring [the possibility] of changing the procurement to the F-35 from the US,” he said.

Trenggono had been asked by CNN Indonesia to comment on a Bloomberg report on 12 March, which, quoting an unidentified official “familiar with the matter”, said Indonesia had recently decided against moving ahead with the plan to procure the Su-35.

This Su-35 deal – featuring 11 aircraft for USD1.1 billion – was provisionally agreed with Russia in February 2018 but has been subject to delay.

The delaying factors were reported to include the presidential elections, which were held in April 2019, funding and countertrade issues, and concerns in Indonesia that the US may invoke sanctions on the country in line with the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA), which seeks to penalise military customers of Russia.

The TNI-AU wants to procure a modern multirole combat aircraft to replace its fleet of Northrop F-5E Tiger II fighter aircraft. The procurement was highlighted in a list of 2020–24 priorities outlined by the Indonesian Ministry of Defence (MoD) in late 2019.

https://www.janes.com/article/94968/update-indonesia-points-to-f-35-ambitions