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[Ruhnama]

seems to me, we can count on Brazil Avibras if we want to acquire seeker technology, just like South African Denel Dynamics

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Avibras Brasil membantu mengembangkan motor roket, Opto Eletronica dengan seeker head-nya dan Mectron (sekarang SIATT) membawa pengalaman sebagai produsen misil Brasil ke dalam proyek ini
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https://jakartagreater.com/afrika-selatan-dan-brasil-luncurkan-rudal-dogfight-gen-5/

Brazil already can make exocet engine and booster also exocet seeker

 

[bad sector]

Yes please

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We should change our camo schene into light grey lol

Dark grey looks like Singapore Air Force's plane...Light grey looks like Australian Air Force's plane

 

[Kansel]

Dark grey looks like Singapore Air Force's plane...Light grey looks like Australian Air Force's plane

Atleast change the current camo, could use something similar like GA or our air Force one livery tho

 

[Nike]

 

[barjo]

Well i think it's widely known The Navy nowadays grants contract to whoever gives them biggest kickback leading to current mess of a multiple CMS in service of our Navy.


Eversince Soekarno era untill this very day majority of armaments we import come from state credit.

If BAE still want to mantain their suplai chain with us, they will try they best effort to servis and keep after market maintanance for 3 class Bung Tomo par from others, I still believe they wouldn't playing stupid since we also interest in Iver class they may also offer us with something in future, western still considering power balance in the south china sea, we will never embargoed as long as we play good enough, look at the papua isue, they would never say even a words, just hearder of pasific bother us. But still dont worry, if they playing politic with papua isue, we can turn freepot to someone closer LOL

 

[Kansel]

Brazil already can make exocet engine and booster also exocet seeker

So that's why they make their indigenous exocet called mansup

 

[Chestnut]

Dark grey looks like Singapore Air Force's plane...Light grey looks like Australian Air Force's plane

Yes but it's more radar absorbent.

Seriously, I don't understand the Air Force's obsession with crazy camo patterns.

 

[Nike]

Salatun yang menemukan proyek Tu-16 dari majalah penerbangan asing tahun 1957, menyampaikannya kepada Suryadarma. “Dengan Tu-16, awak kita bisa terbang setelah sarapan pagi menuju sasaran terjauh sekalipun dan kembali sebelum makan siang,” jelasnya kepada KSAU. “Bagaimana pangkalannya,” tanya Pak Surya. “Kita akan pakai Kemayoran yang mampu menampung pesawat jet,” jawab Salatun. Seiring disetujuinya rencana pembelian Tu-16, landas pacu Lanud Iswahyudi, Madiun, turut diperpanjang.

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Why Indonesia Air Force in the past is bomber laden forces? they operated A26 Invader, B 25 mitchell, trying Tu 2 medium Bomber, Il 28 beagle and Tu 16. The ratio of their bomber and fighter is quite staggering too, they get around 60 bomber for only 120 fighter.

Yes but it's more radar absorbent.

Seriously I don't understand the Air Force's obsession with crazy camo patterns

AURI standard camo in the past is light grey actually

 

[Kansel]

Salatun yang menemukan proyek Tu-16 dari majalah penerbangan asing tahun 1957, menyampaikannya kepada Suryadarma. “Dengan Tu-16, awak kita bisa terbang setelah sarapan pagi menuju sasaran terjauh sekalipun dan kembali sebelum makan siang,” jelasnya kepada KSAU. “Bagaimana pangkalannya,” tanya Pak Surya. “Kita akan pakai Kemayoran yang mampu menampung pesawat jet,” jawab Salatun. Seiring disetujuinya rencana pembelian Tu-16, landas pacu Lanud Iswahyudi, Madiun, turut diperpanjang.

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AURI standard camo in the past is light grey actually

There's not even a single plan to change the current camo? Looks so bad and old. Is kt because masih ada yang berpikiran kolot?

Yes but it's more radar absorbent.

Seriously I don't understand the Air Force's obsession with crazy camo patterns

Same bro,it looked really2 bad for current times not suitable for current warfare tho,i dont want to see my airforce awacs,special missions aircraft and tanker with that such kind of camo (unfortunately will stay with current camo till 2020+)

 

[HellFireIndo]

There's not even a single plan to change the current camo? Looks so bad and old. Is kt because masih ada yang berpikiran kolot?


Same bro,it looked really2 bad for current times not suitable for current warfare tho,i dont want to see my airforce awacs,special missions aircraft and tanker with that such kind of camo (unfortunately will stay with current camo till 2020+)

The Air Force have a very consistent poor taste in aesthetics, be it plane camo or uniform.

 

[Nike]

The Air Force have a very consistent poor taste in aesthetics, be it plane camo or uniform.

Need people like Omar Dani, Surya Dharma, Leo Wattimena, Ignatius Dewanto or Salatun, they had revolutionary way of thinking and out of the box in the context. Not even in the wildest dream of many people someone in third world country had envisioned their need to have an Aircraft capable to bombing enemy far from their current operational bases, by pass many hurdle to build Forward operational Base along with all the logistick needed to support them in risk to be destroyed by enemy retaliate attack.

It seems the acquisition cost of Tu 16 at the time is far more cheaper to us compared to trying achieve parity with Dutch Air Forces assets in Papua Toe to toe by acquire large number of smaller fighter bomber and build expensive FOB along necessary defense needs. Considering the backward of our infrastructure at the times and lack of money we had

 

[Kansel]

Need people like Omar Dani, Surya Dharma, Leo Wattimena, Ignatius Dewanto or Salatun, they had revolutionary way of thinking and out of the box in the context. Not even in the wildest dream of many people someone in third world country had envisioned their need to have an Aircraft capable to bombing enemy far from their current operational bases, by pass many hurdle to build Forward operational Base along with all the logistick needed to support them in risk to be destroyed by enemy retaliate attack.

It seems the acquisition cost of Tu 16 at the time is far more cheaper to us compared to trying achieve parity with Dutch Air Forces assets in Papua Toe to toe by acquire large number of smaller fighter bomber and build expensive FOB along necessary defense needs. Considering the backward of our infrastructure at the times and lack of money we had

Well atleast current government has some "thinking out of the box" they want HAPS for next mef which i don't ever expect that to be projected for TNI

https://m.merdeka.com/politik/prabowo-siap-gabung-jokowi-jika-diberi-jabatan-menteri-pertahanan.html

Nice offers Mr Prabowo,unfortunately the political effect on you is kinda high we need someone that doesn't really affected by politics shit (recommended yang dari sipil aja)

 

[Nike]

Well atleast current government has some "thinking out of the box" they want HAPS for next mef which i don't ever expect that to be projected for TNI

https://m.merdeka.com/politik/prabowo-siap-gabung-jokowi-jika-diberi-jabatan-menteri-pertahanan.html

Nice offers Mr Prabowo,unfortunately the political effect on you is kinda high we need someone that doesn't really affected by politics shit (recommended yang dari sipil aja)

Prabowo still okay to me, he got knacks on military matter, he is quite adept at new thinking (hell he is afterall one to suggest ABRI to loan Singapore UAV during his mission in Papua) and he is very supportive to TNI. Afterall Menhan post is Civil post

 

[Nike]

 

[Kansel]

Prabowo still okay to me, he got knacks on military matter, he is quite adept at new thinking (hell he is afterall one to suggest ABRI to loan Singapore UAV during his mission in Papua) and he is very supportive to TNI. Afterall Menhan post is Civil post

Yeah that's why i thought when ryamizard got elected as MoD seeing his track record i thought everything will going nice,the Truth doesn't say the same