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[Kansel]

A more conventional one like SAMP/T is enough tbh, anything about THAAD is very political in nature, y'know US containment strategy and shit.

SAMP/T is not specialized for ABM purpose taking sampt or meads and thaad or sm 3 is good enough or if u don't want from america one we could take david sling from israel,known the best for their layered defense system

Also kohanudnas itself projecting to purchase and using thaad in 2035

Dapat dijelaskan arah pengembangan Korpaskhas ke depan ?

Begini, yang sedang TNI AU lakukan saat ini adalah transformasi, termasuk di dalamnya Korphaskas hingga tahun 2035. Intinya kita melakukan adaptasi terhadap teknologi. Kalau bicara Singapura misalnya, AU mereka (RSAF) mengedepankan konsep New Generation Air Force, kita juga sama, sedang melakukan hal itu.

Transformasi Korphaskas, adalah dengan mengembangkan tugas yang menyatu dengan tugas pokok Angkatan Udara. Yaitu menjaga kedaulatan dan hukum di udara. Maka kita mengembangkan sistem pertahanan udara (Hanud).

Untuk Hanud jarak dekat (Short Range Air Defense - ShoRAD) kita sudah punya, walaupun baru enam detasemen. Kita rencana sampai tahun 2035 itu adalah 36 Detasemen Hanud (Denhanud). Kalau sampai 2024, kurang lebih 12 Denhanud. Kami juga sekarang sedang menunggu pengadaan rudal Hanud jarak menengah.

Bisa diuraikan lebih detail?

Ya, sedang dalam proses pengadaan Hanud jarak medium (Medium Air Defense - MeRAD). MerAD ini jaraknya antara 50-100 km, masuk dalam program MEF 2015-2019. Ini untuk pengamanan ibu kota. Hanud Terminal ini harus terintegrasi dengan Hanud Titik karena kita membangun sistem yang integrated. Jadi tidak bisa terpisah antara Hanud Titik dengan Hanud Terminal. Sehingga, kita sekarang akan membeli yang namanya THAAD (Terminal High Altitude Air Defense).

Beberapa produk sedang dalam proses recognition, masih tahap awal proses pengadaan. Kami melakukan kunjungan ke beberapa negara pabrikan. Pilihannya antara lain NASAMS (Norwegia), LY-80 (China), Flying King (China), dan Sky Dragon 50 (China). Korphaskas melakukan kajian dan ikut dalam kunjungan. Tapi kami tidak menentukan pilihan. Sebatas pada kebutuhan operasi dan spesifikasi teknis saja. Yang menentukan produk mana yang akan dipilih adalah Kementerian Pertahanan.

 

[Raduga]

SAMP/T is not specialized for ABM purpose taking sampt or meads and thaad or sm 3 is good enough or if u don't want from america one we could take david sling from israel,known the best for their layered defense system

Also kohanudnas itself projecting to purchase and using thaad in 2035

Dapat dijelaskan arah pengembangan Korpaskhas ke depan ?

Begini, yang sedang TNI AU lakukan saat ini adalah transformasi, termasuk di dalamnya Korphaskas hingga tahun 2035. Intinya kita melakukan adaptasi terhadap teknologi. Kalau bicara Singapura misalnya, AU mereka (RSAF) mengedepankan konsep New Generation Air Force, kita juga sama, sedang melakukan hal itu.

Transformasi Korphaskas, adalah dengan mengembangkan tugas yang menyatu dengan tugas pokok Angkatan Udara. Yaitu menjaga kedaulatan dan hukum di udara. Maka kita mengembangkan sistem pertahanan udara (Hanud).

Untuk Hanud jarak dekat (Short Range Air Defense - ShoRAD) kita sudah punya, walaupun baru enam detasemen. Kita rencana sampai tahun 2035 itu adalah 36 Detasemen Hanud (Denhanud). Kalau sampai 2024, kurang lebih 12 Denhanud. Kami juga sekarang sedang menunggu pengadaan rudal Hanud jarak menengah.

Bisa diuraikan lebih detail?

Ya, sedang dalam proses pengadaan Hanud jarak medium (Medium Air Defense - MeRAD). MerAD ini jaraknya antara 50-100 km, masuk dalam program MEF 2015-2019. Ini untuk pengamanan ibu kota. Hanud Terminal ini harus terintegrasi dengan Hanud Titik karena kita membangun sistem yang integrated. Jadi tidak bisa terpisah antara Hanud Titik dengan Hanud Terminal. Sehingga, kita sekarang akan membeli yang namanya THAAD (Terminal High Altitude Air Defense).

Beberapa produk sedang dalam proses recognition, masih tahap awal proses pengadaan. Kami melakukan kunjungan ke beberapa negara pabrikan. Pilihannya antara lain NASAMS (Norwegia), LY-80 (China), Flying King (China), dan Sky Dragon 50 (China). Korphaskas melakukan kajian dan ikut dalam kunjungan. Tapi kami tidak menentukan pilihan. Sebatas pada kebutuhan operasi dan spesifikasi teknis saja. Yang menentukan produk mana yang akan dipilih adalah Kementerian Pertahanan.

the Aster 30 have ABM variants , and im going to tell you about something , do you know type 45 destroyer ??? It’s also stated that if an American battlegroup had a choice between any of their NATO allies Destroyers to pick from to deploy alongside the first they would ask is the Royal Navy with their type 45 destroyer to joint the fleet , why ?? simply US admit that the PAAMS system (which use Aster as their missile) are somewhat on par or even far more better full fledge air defense system than their AEGIS (even if the internet claim PAAMS doesn't have BMD capability , they actually had it) , and Type 45 destroyer with their Enchanced Smart-L radar combination with sampson by BAE System is the most capable naval air surveillance radar <<< this comment was made by US navy sailor , but i forgot the source or url for it , i will try to give the source if i find it .

the aster even have succesfully intercepted israeli made ballistic missile and US CGM-163 Coyote supersonic aerial target .

as for chinese missile , i would just say no to it .

 

[Nike]

For measly budget for defense Indonesia procurement strategy is more beneficial in long run.

http://www.malaysiandefence.com/the-end-is-near-2/

Malaysian bulk order of Gempita 8X8 almost finished but still there is no hope for repeat order in a very near future. Meanwhile PT PINDAD is still getting an order for 6X6 Anoa and 4X4 Komodo, albeit at small number but repeat order every year bring more continuity and keeping the production line in works and warmed up, and at the same time they use that to increase the proficiency of PINDAD new worker to do production of armored vehicles. Thus this kind of behavior let PT PINDAD to seek more willing spare parts producer from local companies to support PT PINDAD lines and increasing the foot print of local defense industry.

 

[Raduga]

For measly budget for defense Indonesia procurement strategy is more beneficial in long run.

http://www.malaysiandefence.com/the-end-is-near-2/

Malaysian bulk order of Gempita 8X8 almost finished but still there is no hope for repeat order in a very near future. Meanwhile PT PINDAD is still getting an order for 6X6 Anoa and 4X4 Komodo, albeit at small number but repeat order every year bring more continuity and keeping the production line in works and warmed up, and at the same time they use that to increase the proficiency of PINDAD new worker to do production of armored vehicles. Thus this kind of behavior let PT PINDAD to seek more willing spare parts producer from local companies to support PT PINDAD lines and increasing the foot print of local defense industry.

just not so long ago deftech was also had problem with corruption and get caught by MACC , and some of the malaysian forumer told me the program was halted for a time being due to that corruption scandal.

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/c...ating-equipment-supply-for-military-vehicles/

but also in my opinion , the PT Pindad really need atleast like 2 more production line facility , with more upcoming order from TNI ranged from armored car , APC , to medium tank , they could get bottlenecked or choked with all that order , if a new production line facility does not get set up , (also concerning about disaster or human error incident such as kebakaran or else , *which i hope will never happened) having another production line facility may come in handy.

 

[trishna_amṛta]

But u.s do have the antitode right? I hope tni consider to purchase ABM like thaad or sm-3/6 we dont know when and why china will launch their balistic missile to us

Something to keep in mind, Ballistic Missile came in variety of capabilities ranging from theater ballistic missile all the way to the ICBM. So far there isn't any operational system to counter ICBM in their terminal phase. System such as SM-6, GMD are limited at midcourse interception rather than terminal phase, while system such as Aster 30 BMD and THAAD although were meant for terminal phase interception none of them had demonstrate the capability of intercepting MIRV in terminal phase (which is the payload of modern ICBM). This is the main reason US is developing railgun and high energy laser technology.

A more conventional one like SAMP/T is enough tbh, anything about THAAD is very political in nature, y'know US containment strategy and shit.

Agree with this. In the current geopolitical climate it is best to go with SAMP/T due for it being "politically lower profile" compare to THAAD

 

[Kansel]

the Aster 30 have ABM variants , and im going to tell you about something , do you know type 45 destroyer ??? It’s also stated that if an American battlegroup had a choice between any of their NATO allies Destroyers to pick from to deploy alongside the first they would ask is the Royal Navy with their type 45 destroyer to joint the fleet , why ?? simply US admit that the PAAMS system (which use Aster as their missile) are somewhat on par or even far more better full fledge air defense system than their AEGIS (even if the internet claim PAAMS doesn't have BMD capability , they actually had it) , and Type 45 destroyer with their Enchanced Smart-L radar combination with sampson by BAE System is the most capable naval air surveillance radar <<< this comment was made by US navy sailor , but i forgot the source or url for it , i will try to give the source if i find it .

the aster even have succesfully intercepted israeli made ballistic missile and US CGM-163 Coyote supersonic aerial target .

as for chinese missile , i would just say no to it .

the Aster 30 have ABM variants , and im going to tell you about something , do you know type 45 destroyer ??? It’s also stated that if an American battlegroup had a choice between any of their NATO allies Destroyers to pick from to deploy alongside the first they would ask is the Royal Navy with their type 45 destroyer to joint the fleet , why ?? simply US admit that the PAAMS system (which use Aster as their missile) are somewhat on par or even far more better full fledge air defense system than their AEGIS (even if the internet claim PAAMS doesn't have BMD capability , they actually had it) , and Type 45 destroyer with their Enchanced Smart-L radar combination with sampson by BAE System is the most capable naval air surveillance radar <<< this comment was made by US navy sailor , but i forgot the source or url for it , i will try to give the source if i find it .

the aster even have succesfully intercepted israeli made ballistic missile and US CGM-163 Coyote supersonic aerial target .

as for chinese missile , i would just say no to it .

Thanks bro,new infos every day,but ya i do prefer sm&essm on ship and aster on land but,isnt ister is too pricy for us to acquire?

 

[Gundala]

For measly budget for defense Indonesia procurement strategy is more beneficial in long run.

http://www.malaysiandefence.com/the-end-is-near-2/

Malaysian bulk order of Gempita 8X8 almost finished but still there is no hope for repeat order in a very near future. Meanwhile PT PINDAD is still getting an order for 6X6 Anoa and 4X4 Komodo, albeit at small number but repeat order every year bring more continuity and keeping the production line in works and warmed up, and at the same time they use that to increase the proficiency of PINDAD new worker to do production of armored vehicles. Thus this kind of behavior let PT PINDAD to seek more willing spare parts producer from local companies to support PT PINDAD lines and increasing the foot print of local defense industry.

Each country has its own unique problem in building its own military and its supportive industry. As for them I see them as where we were in orba era. Pretty much getting what they want instead of what they need while each branch doing things on their own. Lacking of defense white paper and program such as MEF(ours)/Horizon(Phil) steer away they force building strategy away from their need. Now we are still having issues as well but as we all see in the last decade our program starting to show results. Lack of political will and people interest would result unsupported military build up, this is the main issue as they often link the defense matter reliance on politics rather then actual build up. They making a progress by trying to make defense white paper, lets see how it will come out.

Anyway I agree, slow but sure thing has kept the production line alive. And getting more will benefit local supppliers and create supply chain as it gets bigger. Future challenge would not be who is able to make it, but it would be who can build it more efficiently

 

[barjo]

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Does pakistan interested in our weaponry or medium tank?


I got no problem with airbus,but its really visible that we're leaning toward boeing now

As long as we can assembly our own chinock, we need more rotary wing tech after fix wing

 

[Kansel]

As long as we can assembly our own chinock, we need more rotary wing tech after fix wing

I hope we do,boeing and ptdi already signed vertical lift MoU for now we'll purchase 12 chinook and additional 8 apaches

 

[barjo]

I hope we do,boeing and ptdi already signed vertical lift MoU for now we'll purchase 12 chinook and additional 8 apaches

Hehehehehehe you right bro

 

[umigami]

I hope we do,boeing and ptdi already signed vertical lift MoU for now we'll purchase 12 chinook and additional 8 apaches

Is it official already?
Link please..

 

[Raduga]

Is it official already?
Link please..

take it as "kabar burung" for now , anything can happened before the contract signed above the paper .

 

[Gundala]

One step closer to take over FIR from our neighbor, good move while getting more training and knowledge for our human resource

https://www.airspace-review.com/201...-resmi-jadi-anggota-penuh-icao-trainair-plus/

 

[Kansel]

Is it official already?
Link please..

Well i assume "1 paket apache" as 8 unit we dont have budget to buy 24 unit package because we have something else to focused for,about chinook its the number that AD always sayin about and sis @Nike posted a photo, there's a statement that AD preparing to purchase 12 chinnok idk about the realization but i think its before the end of the year alongside with iver

 

[trishna_amṛta]

Well i assume "1 paket apache" as 8 unit we dont have budget to buy 24 unit package because we have something else to focused for,about chinook its the number that AD always sayin

Got to admit there is more pressing need for heavy transport helo (Chinook) than attack helo (Guardian).
Beside I have a doubt the US will allow the use of the Guardian for domestic COIN operation (Papua)