India's Two-Front War Plans

[IndoUS]

Firstly, both sides have a "no first use" policy. So we can go to war without worrying about the nuclear question.

Secondly, even one single Chinese nuke (3-4 megatons each), has more destructive power than India's entire nuclear arsenal (1 megaton in TOTAL).

India's own Armed Forces have officially spoken out, and said that "India cannot hope to match China by conventional OR non-conventional means".

Hell, they can't even supply their own Army with 2 days worth of ammunition.

The World is not what it was half a century ago. Secondly do you really think that if a push comes to shove that the nukes won't be used. Plus if India is attacked do you really think the world powers would sit idly a let things go on. The US has issues with China, do you think they will just simply let it go???

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Easily? Why couldn't they get half of other Kashmir?
Dude in simple terms, you're underestimating....

Pakistan's nuclear arsenal is surely more reliable than India's.

 

[NeutralCitizen]

That is true, but the potential damage is what matters. Would china be willing to risk even receiving ONE nuke and having a part of a megacity destroyed just for the ambition to win over India? I do not see any benefit for china from doing so. India china trade relations are prospering at the moment

China can defeat India without using nuclear weapons hands down, any war with china, Chinese are determined to win more important then trade in china's history .

 

[agamdilawari]

China is a big country. Its the father of all asian countries.

Keep that to yourself...."son"

 

[NeutralCitizen]

You are underestimating indian military. It does build a credible deterrent - that is what would keep China at bay. If china goes into any misadventure, India can launch nukes at shanghai/beijing and cause considerable damage. I'm sure china would not want that to happen. The deterrent factor is what matters and has kept the world at peace since the wwII.

Russia's interest would be to stop any such conflict from occurring. The 1971 scenario can be repeated where Russia kept china at bay during indo-pakistan conflict.

You should check both India Nuclear capability vs China, what adventure are we talking of small skirmish which is possible full scale war unlikely, it would take more then one nuclear weapon to destroy a city China on the other hand can sustain more damage and has a stronger nuclear arsenal.

So russia is going to send ships to stop the PLAN ? In a sino-indian conflict Russia can't stop it, the 1971 was due to soviet influence and the east pakistan strongly also favoring it which is unlikely in any conflict with china.

 

[IndoUS]

Pakistan's nuclear arsenal is surely more reliable than India's.

Well China would know that better than any other country

 

[Edevelop]

You are underestimating indian military. It does build a credible deterrent - that is what would keep China at bay. If china goes into any misadventure, India can launch nukes at shanghai/beijing and cause considerable damage. I'm sure china would not want that to happen. The deterrent factor is what matters and has kept the world at peace since the wwII.

Russia's interest would be to stop any such conflict from occurring. The 1971 scenario can be repeated where Russia kept china at bay during indo-pakistan conflict.

71 war was in East Pakistan.

This is naturally a piece of cake for India.

Tell me how we (Pakistanis) could get on the other side

Now that its just West Pakistan (military more powerful than ever) India can't jack $hit. Kashmir is still the same as is....

 

[King Solomon]

Easily? Why couldn't they get half of other Kashmir?
Dude in simple terms, you're underestimating....

Lets get back to reality. Considering China does not intervene on favour of pak:

- India's air force is numerically and technologically superior to pakistan's

- India's navy is vastly superior

- Ground forces = both are equal but India is still numerically superior.

- Energy dependency = pakistan is highly dependent on imports of oil which can be blockaded by India's navy. While india has enough domestic oil production o cater for military needs.

- Nukes = 100-150 of 50kT pakistan's nukes, even if used full scale on Indian cities, would still leave India with significant military and economic capability. Don't believe - check the FAS nuclear damage estimates.



If China intervenes, China would probably send ground forces straight to bay of bengal (if favorable condition in himalya) to disconnect Northeast india and force India to negotiation table for favorable terms concerning its border disputes.

 

[IndoUS]

You should check both India Nuclear capability vs China, what adventure are we talking of small skirmish which is possible full scale war unlikely, it would take more then one nuclear weapon to destroy a city China on the other hand can sustain more damage and has a stronger nuclear arsenal.

So russia is going to send ships to stop the PLAN ? In a sino-indian conflict Russia can't stop it, the 1971 was due to soviet influence and the east pakistan strongly also favoring it which is unlikely in any conflict with china.

If the almighty US couldn't do anything to save Pakistan with all its nuclear weapon and CBG, Russia sent just on Sub and US were back home. If China wanted a war they would have gone with it long ago when India didn't have nuclear weapon and had taken over the eastern states but I guess too late now.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

The World is not what it was half a century ago. Secondly do you really think that if a push comes to shove that the nukes won't be used. Plus if India is attacked do you really think the world powers would sit idly a let things go on. The US has issues with China, do you think they will just simply let it go???

India begged the USA to help them in 1962, but what happened then?

India pleaded for US help against China in 1962 - Times Of India

In 1962, the USA was openly our enemy. We had just previously fought a direct war with them (Korean War). The USSR was also our enemy at that point, due to the Sino-Soviet split.

Not to mention that we were just coming out of the worst famine in our history (1959-1961) and at our weakest possible point.

Today though... Russia is our strategic partner, and we have the largest bilateral economic relationship in the world with the USA, to the point where they were even proposing a "G-2" with us.

All the factors have turned in our favour since 1962. The gap has become so large that the Indian Armed Forces themselves have admitted that: "India cannot hope to match China. The gap is too wide, and is growing wider every day".

 

[IndoUS]

71 war based in East Pakistan.

This is naturally a piece of cake for India.

Tell me how we (Pakistanis) could get on the other side

Now that its just West Pakistan (military more powerful than ever) India can't jack $hit. Kashmir is still the same as is....

And you can jack $hit that you couldn't get an inch of land even after the whole plan of bleed through thousand cuts.

 

[King Solomon]

71 war was in East Pakistan.

This is naturally a piece of cake for India.

Tell me how we (Pakistanis) could get on the other side

Now that its just West Pakistan (military more powerful than ever) India can't jack $hit. Kashmir is still the same as is....

I was talking on the issue of Chinese intervention. Even if pakistan was at a huge disadvantage at the moment, China could easily intervent on behalf of pak at that time. But this was stopped because USSR threatened to intervene at Sanking at that time.

 

[Edevelop]

Lets get back to reality. Considering China does not intervene on favour of pak:

- India's air force is numerically and technologically superior to pakistan's

- India's navy is vastly superior

- Ground forces = both are equal but India is still numerically superior.

- Energy dependency = pakistan is highly dependent on imports of oil which can be blockaded by India's navy. While india has enough domestic oil production o cater for military needs.

- Nukes = 100-150 of 50kT pakistan's nukes, even if used full scale on Indian cities, would still leave India with significant military and economic capability. Don't believe - check the FAS nuclear damage estimates.



If China intervenes, China would probably send ground forces straight to bay of bengal (if favorable condition in himalya) to disconnect Northeast india and force India to negotiation table for favorable terms concerning its border disputes.

India's Air Force were always 10x more than Pakistan even in 65 and 71 wars. Funny thing is, IAF lost more lives....

India's army is Weak than ever. There are no ammos and they have absolutely no Artilirary....
Pakistan has double the amount and we have more nukes..

Indian Navy i agree is stronger...

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I was talking on the issue of Chinese intervention. Even if pakistan was at a huge disadvantage at the moment, China could easily intervent on behalf of pak at that time. But this was stopped because USSR threatened to intervene at Sanking at that time.

Russia ≠ USSR, keep that in your mind.

We don't even mind to confront the coalition of US + India, never mind the one with Russia + India.

 

[NeutralCitizen]

If the almighty US couldn't do anything to save Pakistan with all its nuclear weapon and CBG, Russia sent just on Sub and US were back home. If China wanted a war they would have gone with it long ago when India didn't have nuclear weapon and had taken over the eastern states but I guess too late now.

were not talking of the 1971 war naval issues, rather if another sino-indian conflict came russia can't really repeat it unless they plan to attack the PLAN, in reality just as china won't send troops to save pakistan russia can't do anything other then diplomatic pressure.